BajaNomad

El Chapo on da loose

bezzell - 7-12-2015 at 12:21 AM

surprise !!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/12/us-mexcio-guzman-i...

bledito - 7-12-2015 at 06:54 AM

coming to a town near you???

DENNIS - 7-12-2015 at 06:56 AM



No surprise. Wonder how Peņa Nieto feels about it?

chuckie - 7-12-2015 at 07:10 AM

Dennis said it, no surprise...Pretty hard to keep a billionaire in a Mexican prison....

BajaNomad - 7-12-2015 at 07:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  


No surprise. Wonder how Peņa Nieto feels about it?


"The flight of Guzman... seriously undermines Pena Nieto's pledge to bring order to a country racked by years of gang violence...

"Before his election victory, politicians in Pena Nieto's Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) mocked their conservative rivals for letting Guzman escape while they ran the country, saying it would not have happened on their watch."

http://www.newsweek.com/drug-lord-chapo-guzman-escapes-maxim...

Ateo - 7-12-2015 at 08:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  


No surprise. Wonder how Peņa Nieto feels about it?


"The flight of Guzman... seriously undermines Pena Nieto's pledge to bring order to a country racked by years of gang violence...

"Before his election victory, politicians in Pena Nieto's Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) mocked their conservative rivals for letting Guzman escape while they ran the country, saying it would not have happened on their watch."

http://www.newsweek.com/drug-lord-chapo-guzman-escapes-maxim...


Yeah, that's gotta hurt. Just goes to show you that politicians play politics with any issue they can, till it comes back to bite them in the butt.

They have very little control over these cartels, the illegal drug trade, and the nasty violence that it perpetuates.

BajaNomad - 7-12-2015 at 08:06 AM

"In a brief morning news conference, Rubido said that Guzman was last seen inside the prison around 8 p.m. while receiving his daily dose of medication. After guards realized he had disappeared, they found the hatch that led by ladder down to the tunnel, which was illuminated, perforated with PVC piping for ventilation and equipped with adapted motorcycle-on-rails to whisk the drug lord to freedom."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/drug-lord-chapo-guzman-...

BornFisher - 7-12-2015 at 08:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
"they found the hatch that led by ladder down to the tunnel, which was illuminated, perforated with PVC piping for ventilation and equipped with adapted motorcycle-on-rails to whisk the drug lord to freedom."


Just a motorcycle? What happened to the limo?

SFandH - 7-12-2015 at 08:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Pretty hard to keep a billionaire in a Mexican prison....


And to keep two poor murders in a New York prison.

Now the Mexicans have a legal reason to kill the guy. Maybe they'll find him. Of course he will resist arrest and be shot.

durrelllrobert - 7-12-2015 at 09:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
"they found the hatch that led by ladder down to the tunnel, which was illuminated, perforated with PVC piping for ventilation and equipped with adapted motorcycle-on-rails to whisk the drug lord to freedom."


Just a motorcycle? What happened to the limo?


Motorcycle cost more than his limo.

bajabuddha - 7-12-2015 at 09:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  


No surprise. Wonder how Peņa Nieto feels about it?



monoloco - 7-12-2015 at 10:03 AM

You'd think that given Chapo's history with tunneling, they would have given him an upstairs cell.

AKgringo - 7-12-2015 at 10:22 AM

The warden should have been suspicious when El Chapo did not demand a penthouse suite! Notice that the article stated that he escaped through HIS shower, not THE shower that othe prisoners used.

What kind of prison was he in?...Never mind, dumb question.

bajabuddha - 7-12-2015 at 10:33 AM

I guess you could say Chapo Trumped Nieto... that's going to give the wing-nuts some real gunpowder now. Load the cannons!

vgabndo - 7-12-2015 at 03:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert  
Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
"they found the hatch that led by ladder down to the tunnel, which was illuminated, perforated with PVC piping for ventilation and equipped with adapted motorcycle-on-rails to whisk the drug lord to freedom."


Just a motorcycle? What happened to the limo?


Motorcycle cost more than his limo.



The American Taliban delivering Meals on Wheels???? :lol::lol::lol:

Bajahowodd - 7-12-2015 at 03:47 PM

What gives me the giggles is that Guzman is only 5 ft 6in. How intimidating. :P

Reality. Deal with it!

toneart - 7-12-2015 at 04:53 PM

Guzman and his cartel run the country. With his long political tentacles, local and national, (and tunnels), he cannot be contained.

Drugs are pervasive in Mexico's youth. You see it in every city and pueblo. And The United States is Guzman's biggest client. How sad.That is not going to change.

I have written here several years past that all the Mexican Government can do is to turn a blind eye and let The Sinaloa Cartel do their thing. In return, a deal could be made that the resistance and violence be diminished between government and the Sinaloa Cartel.

With that kind of power, the Sinaloa Cartel can receive clandestine government assistance in order to eliminate competitor cartels. They already dominate. Eventually, when they have free reign, and their competitors are eliminated, the violence will be pretty much curtailed.

The "War on Drugs" never worked. It is just a big waste of money and lives. The lust for drugs and addiction will always be. Let them have it and let them kill themselves. Tough Love! (...or Tough S***). Parents, let them go. They are gone anyway.

Ateo - 7-12-2015 at 05:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by toneart  

The "War on Drugs" never worked. It is just a big waste of money and lives. The lust for drugs and addiction will always be. Let them have it and let them kill themselves. Tough Love! (...or Tough S***). Parents, let them go. They are gone anyway.


Yep, a total waste of $$$ and lives. We should have a war on sex and see how that goes. Human nature is hard to control. We love our booze, our drugs (legal and illegal), and endless other addictions. Some people's brains are wired to love getting high. I would argue that they don't even have free will in some instances. We need smarter drugs laws. We need more compassion. Locking up drug addicts is close to immoral. They need treatment. I completely disagree with your statement to "let them go".

toneart - 7-12-2015 at 05:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  
Quote: Originally posted by toneart  

The "War on Drugs" never worked. It is just a big waste of money and lives. The lust for drugs and addiction will always be. Let them have it and let them kill themselves. Tough Love! (...or Tough S***). Parents, let them go. They are gone anyway.


Yep, a total waste of $$$ and lives. We should have a war on sex and see how that goes. Human nature is hard to control. We love our booze, our drugs (legal and illegal), and endless other addictions. Some people's brains are wired to love getting high. I would argue that they don't even have free will in some instances. We need smarter drugs laws. We need more compassion. Locking up drug addicts is close to immoral. They need treatment. I completely disagree with your statement to "let them go".


"...let them go is a tough one". It is a terrible heartache for the families, whether they try and help or whether they let them go. Fortunately, neither I nor family are involved with drugs, so I am somewhat removed from the problem.

Your word "Compassion" got to me. Yes, compassion is needed throughout this troubled world today. I am not stuck on a "let them go" stance. I was trying to offer a tough opinion as a solution, but I am willing to soften, Ateo. Thank you for your contribution.

AKgringo - 7-12-2015 at 06:10 PM

Tony, I know your home town, I grew up there and have rural property in an area that you would surely be familiar with. You are probably also aware of the booming marijuana industry in your county, but it is not a victim less, above board, lawful industry.

Unlike you, I have lost a brother, and sister in law to drugs, and at this moment I have a brother in law and his wife that have lost everything due to meth use, which is the companion product in the underground canibus industry. Meth does more damage faster than heroin, and it's use is rampant in your county.

Those who can no longer hold a job, but need their meth, will rip off friends
and family first then move on to you and I.

I am in AK right now, but someday I would like to sit with you in Mulege or G.V. and answer questions that you may have, but not on this forum please. Besides, I don't want to hijack Bezzel's topic.


Edit; I have no problem with those who use pot moderately, or grow their own, I am just saying there is a dark, dangerous side to the underground growers business.


[Edited on 7-13-2015 by AKgringo]

SFandH - 7-12-2015 at 06:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I am just saying there is a dark, dangerous side to the underground growers business.


I've read that the Sinaloa cartel is involved in the pot growing business in the Northwest. True? Anybody know?

vgabndo - 7-12-2015 at 07:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by toneart  
Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  
Quote: Originally posted by toneart  

The "War on Drugs" never worked. It is just a big waste of money and lives. The lust for drugs and addiction will always be. Let them have it and let them kill themselves. Tough Love! (...or Tough S***). Parents, let them go. They are gone anyway.


Yep, a total waste of $$$ and lives. We should have a war on sex and see how that goes. Human nature is hard to control. We love our booze, our drugs (legal and illegal), and endless other addictions. Some people's brains are wired to love getting high. I would argue that they don't even have free will in some instances. We need smarter drugs laws. We need more compassion. Locking up drug addicts is close to immoral. They need treatment. I completely disagree with your statement to "let them go".


"...let them go is a tough one". It is a terrible heartache for the families, whether they try and help or whether they let them go. Fortunately, neither I nor family are involved with drugs, so I am somewhat removed from the problem.

Your word "Compassion" got to me. Yes, compassion is needed throughout this troubled world today. I am not stuck on a "let them go" stance. I was trying to offer a tough opinion as a solution, but I am willing to soften, Ateo. Thank you for your contribution.


Art, you are a gentleman sir.

vgabndo - 7-12-2015 at 07:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I am just saying there is a dark, dangerous side to the underground growers business.


I've read that the Sinaloa cartel is involved in the pot growing business in the Northwest. True? Anybody know?


The only person I have ever heard connect pot growing with the Cartels is the Sheriff of Siskiyou County in northern California. He occasionally pulls off a bust for the media and weighing the bundles of immature plants, roots, dirt and all, under a helicopter claims to have interdicted MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars worth of cannabis. Our local far right-wing anti-government militia is on record claiming that he is on their side. So, I have never heard a reputable source make a claim for Cartel presence in my neck of the woods.

Ateo - 7-12-2015 at 07:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by toneart  

Thank you for your contribution.



And yours as well toneart.

tecatero - 7-13-2015 at 04:10 AM

Do you think maybe Chapo and his crew played a roll of him getting busted to get the $5 billion bounty that the US had on his head. Somebody got reward money after the media show of him being captured went to global outlets. Just a guess, but he is no dummy.

Pompano - 7-13-2015 at 09:53 AM

tecatero, I think the bounty amount was 1 Million..rather that a Billion. Still a decent amount, though.

Such a disgrace for Mexico, but not surprising to anyone on the planet. Moral values have changed....dropped... so much in societies within the last couple generations. What was it that that possum,Pogo, used to say..."We have met the enemy, and they is us."

JoeJustJoe - 7-13-2015 at 11:49 AM

Good for El Chapo!

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Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo Rips Donald Trump Via Twitter Following Second Prison Break

The Donald has found yet another enemy. Escaped Mexican drug lord El Chapo, one of the world's most notorious cartel leaders who made headlines for escaping prison for the second time this weekend, is out for Donald Trump.

On Sunday, July 12, Trump took to his Twitter to rail against his political opponents and El Chapo (Joaquin Guzman Loera), following the criminal's high-profile escape from a maximum security prison west of Mexico City.

read the rest here:

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/mexican-drug-lord-el-chapo-...

BajaTed - 7-28-2015 at 08:42 AM

The Arrellano brothers went to the US court & prison system, El Chapo paid up front and called in some chits to make sure that never happened to him.
Robin Hood lives again. :biggrin: