BajaNomad - 2016 Tacoma Stats published...

2016 Tacoma Stats published...

David K - 8-25-2015 at 07:26 AM

http://www.tfltruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2016-toyo...

Skipjack Joe - 8-25-2015 at 07:45 AM

Mileage remains bad.

David K - 8-25-2015 at 07:57 AM

For the Off Road TRD the highway mpg jumps up from 20 to 23 on the new 3.5-liter V6 Direct Injection Atkinson Cycle motor, withy a new 6 speed automatic, and city mpg from 16 to 18. Combined MPG is rated at 20.

That is overall 3 mpg higher than I am getting with my 2010 4.0 V-6, 5 speed automatic, on all three conditions.

chuckie - 8-25-2015 at 08:16 AM

Still a baby size truck, if you want good mileage get a VW Jetta.....

Jetta Pick Up

elgatoloco - 8-25-2015 at 10:17 AM

http://www.carscoops.com/2012/10/volkswagen-jetta-pickup-tru...

:saint:

TMW - 8-25-2015 at 10:55 AM

If you are going to take that truck off road in Baja you better put some better tires in it.

chuckie - 8-25-2015 at 11:42 AM

If you are going to use a Tacoma as a real truck, better get a Dodge instead....

chippy - 8-25-2015 at 11:55 AM

The truck on the left 28mpg on the right 18mpg

Udo - 8-25-2015 at 12:17 PM

I see the truck on the left is a Mexican plated vehicle.

stiladam - 8-25-2015 at 12:24 PM

That's a Volkswagen Amarok. If only we could get our hands on 2.0 TDI trucks here in the US....Maybe in 10+ years

TMW - 8-25-2015 at 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

If you are going to use a Tacoma as a real truck, better get a Dodge instead....

If you get FOURWHEELER magazine you should read what Darreld Walton from Arco ID had to say about Dodge. The INBOX page 8. The editor did not reply to his comments.

But please tell me how a real truck is used.

Udo - 8-25-2015 at 12:52 PM

I suppose a US driver could always import one into the US. Same rules apply as when purchasing a European or asian vehicle: Buy the vehicle, drive it for 6 months outside of the US, then bring it into the US and register it in whatever state you wish.

Quote: Originally posted by stiladam

That's a Volkswagen Amarok. If only we could get our hands on 2.0 TDI trucks here in the US....Maybe in 10+ years

stiladam - 8-25-2015 at 01:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Udo

I suppose a US driver could always import one into the US. Same rules apply as when purchasing a European or asian vehicle: Buy the vehicle, drive it for 6 months outside of the US, then bring it into the US and register it in whatever state you wish.

Quote: Originally posted by stiladam

That's a Volkswagen Amarok. If only we could get our hands on 2.0 TDI trucks here in the US....Maybe in 10+ years

Was not aware of that! I'm sure that emissions may be an issue in CA anyway? Might be worth considering for the right owner. I found some on Google images that are set up nicely!

dtbushpilot - 8-25-2015 at 04:30 PM

I'm getting used to my new 4Runner TRD Pro, it is a much nicer vehicle than the FJ Cruiser. The FJ was a very capable off road vehicle but a bit utilitarian. If washing out your interior with a power washer is important to you get the FJ, if you want leather, nice sound system and navigation get the 4Runner. The TRD Pro has everything for off road that the FJ had plus crawl control and a suspension that lets you drive as you wish off road. My son has a Raptor and we did some off road comparison, the 4Runner was a smoother ride at speed than the Raptor. The 4Runner is ugly as well as the "Inferno" color but I've gotten used to them. I would prefer a gas guzzling V8 but that's just me, the 3.5 does ok on power and economy, I haven't pulled a trailer with it yet but it goes fast and quick enough lightly loaded.

mtgoat666 - 8-25-2015 at 05:31 PM

Tacoma still does not have a diesel.
The Colorado does!

Chevy Colorado is a modern design. Tacoma is an old design,... So old they can't figure out how to fit a diesel in it.

It's cute how the Toyota fanboys continue to be loyal,... Toyota is lazy, they really need to wake up and get with it!

rts551 - 8-25-2015 at 06:40 PM

If you look at item #6, the awards are slow in coming over the years. In today's market, Tacoma lags in the market....full size pickups are more capable and get better fuel mileage.

David K - 8-25-2015 at 06:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Tacoma still does not have a diesel.
The Colorado does!

Chevy Colorado is a modern design. Tacoma is an old design,... So old they can't figure out how to fit a diesel in it.

It's cute how the Toyota fanboys continue to be loyal,... Toyota is lazy, they really need to wake up and get with it!

Why did they make the new Colorado look almost exactly like a Tacoma (cab)? The Tacoma owns the mid-size truck market, they are just built that good.

Chevy (GM) quality vs. Toyota is no comparison. Ford is the same story. Everyone I know who got a Ranger were also disappointed... that was what I was going to buy at first, back in 2000. Ford dealer didn't want my trade in, so over to Toyota (where Neal Johns and others suggested), and Toyota earned my loyalty as it has with others... Now I am on my third Tacoma and my wife just got her second new Corolla... oh, what a feeling!

mtgoat666 - 8-25-2015 at 07:14 PM

Dk,
Things have changed since 2000...

The auto reviewers doing comparisons of colorado n tacoma rank the colorado higher...

📡⏰👓💄📺💎🐭👿🍕🔌🚨🍓 🎼

tripledigitken - 8-25-2015 at 07:27 PM

I hope Toyota saw fit to install 4wheel disk brakes in the 2016 Tacoma.

dtbushpilot - 8-25-2015 at 07:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

So, how do you like your new Colorado goat, how is the ride on washboard? Is it a "body on frame" or unibody? What about mileage on that diesel, does it compare to the advertised mileage?

chuckie - 8-26-2015 at 12:23 AM

Well, DK lives in the past, still justifying his purchase of a nice lil truck...same old arguments, same avoidance of reality. Same lame comparisons without facts. The Tacoma was and is a nice lil truck shaped vehicle....But not a truck....and not a really good buy either...or a good performer...Lots better choices.....I am still struggling along with old Smokey....

David K - 8-26-2015 at 06:58 AM

You guys are funny. Reliable and capable are the two top reasons more Tacomas are on the road than all other brands of small or mid size trucks combined. Not everyone needs or wants a big truck. Many trails cannot be accessed by full size puckups either. If we wanted better gas mileage, we wouldn't get a truck or 4x4. My 2010 Tacoma is the best of my 3 Tacomas and it is made in Baja California, too! If you love Baja, it is an additional feather to add in your cap.

Mexitron - 8-26-2015 at 07:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Chevy (GM) quality vs. Toyota is no comparison. Ford is the same story. Everyone I know who got a Ranger were also disappointed... that was what I was going to buy at first, back in 2000. Ford dealer didn't want my trade in, so over to Toyota (where Neal Johns and others suggested), and Toyota earned my loyalty as it has with others... Now I am on my third Tacoma and my wife just got her second new Corolla... oh, what a feeling!

Really? My last Silverado went 205,000 sweat free miles---many Baja miles and mostly of the rest hauling loads for my landscape business--very well built truck. My last Toyota Tacoma self-destructed before 60,000 miles, ending up with a seized engine on Hwy 287 amid the cotton fields of Texas.

MMc - 8-26-2015 at 08:12 AM

Trucks, Tires, Religion, Politics, Climate Change, it is all the same, ain't going to change my mind.
I am right the other side is wrong.
I will defend my point cause it's my point.
Could there be a middle ground?

elgatoloco - 8-26-2015 at 08:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by MMc

Trucks, Tires, Religion, Politics, Climate Change, it is all the same, ain't going to change my mind.
I am right the other side is wrong.
I will defend my point cause it's my point.
Could there be a middle ground?

I'm reminded of the sign on my work desk "Let's compromise and do it my way". :saint:

It's all good. Don't sweat the small stuff. :cool:

Skipjack Joe - 8-26-2015 at 09:05 AM

The argument that the Tacoma is not a good truck because it's not a "truck" is useless. It's just a question of definition and has nothing to do with it's reliability.

One hauls cement, furniture, cabover campers and pulls trailers. The other floats over sand dunes and mudflats to take you to remote locations. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.

David K - 8-26-2015 at 09:14 AM

LOL, well some of you misunderstand my passion for some need to conform. I do not care what you chose to drive in Baja, this thread is just for those interested in what the new 3rd generation Tacoma is offering, since the Tacoma is (by far) the #1 small truck choice of Baja Nomads.

If you need a full-size gasoline truck, I recommend a Tundra, but the Ford Raptor is pretty cool once the weak spindle and any other issues are addressed. In any case, this post was only for those wondering about the 2016 Tacoma and not meant to debate about other brands.

PaulW - 8-26-2015 at 09:29 AM

Two extremes. I am not buying any truck for reliability. Function over-rides all other considerations. There is a huge list that I work from for my purchases. These two rigs are as far apart reliability wise as any two rigs (VW & Toy) I can think of. IMO, All other trucks are in between. Surely fords and chevys are way closer to the Toyota than any VW such that many owners have never been back to the dealer. I guess its just luck of the draw?
BTW, I did not appreciate the last Toyota I had, Reliability was not one of the things that was very good. I had numerous other functional complaints and have not gone back to that brand.
If the fix the issues I am open to considering a Toy in the future.
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Quote: Originally posted by chippy

The truck on the left 28mpg on the right 18mpg

rts551 - 8-26-2015 at 09:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

LOL, well some of you misunderstand my passion for some need to conform. I do not care what you chose to drive in Baja, this thread is just for those interested in what the new 3rd generation Tacoma is offering, since the Tacoma is (by far) the #1 small truck choice of Baja Nomads.

If you need a full-size gasoline truck, I recommend a Tundra, but the Ford Raptor is pretty cool once the weak spindle and any other issues are addressed. In any case, this post was only for those wondering about the 2016 Tacoma and not meant to debate about other brands.

Tundra is at the bottom of the list in almost all reviews....but yes it shows what brand loyalty can do.

Tundra ranked #5
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Toyota_Tund...

BajaGringo - 8-26-2015 at 10:35 AM

To me it's not a big thing what brand others choose to drive. It all comes down to personal preferences and should be decided based on how/where you drive and budget. I have owned quite a few different 4x4 brands/models over the years, personally and for business use. I have seen it all. Range Rover, GMC, Toyota, Mercedes, Ford, Jeep, Dodge and more. Each had their good/bad sides and after all that experience I choose to stick with Ford. I currently have two F150's and an Expedition, all 4x4's and all have served me extremely well. I take excellent mechanical care of all my vehicles. My 2004 F-150 is about to go over 200K miles and it looks and runs like new; not even so much as a squeak or rattle and the 4x4 performs flawlessly. Living where we do it does test your vehicle and my Fords have never let me down. My GMC and Dodge trucks never did either but the GMC started developing squeaks and rattles at about 80K miles and the interior details didn't hold up so well on my Dodge over the washboard either. My mechanic was spending more time with my Jeep than I did - never anything major, but always one small thing after another.

Over the years we suffered catastrophic failures by Mercedes, Range Rover and Toyota, in spite of all the regular maintenance and care. They all performed well up to 50K miles but after that, problems began to occur. My experience is that these brands and others are good for occasional off-road, rugged use but over the long haul they simply were not designed to take the daily abuse of washboard/rocky conditions and other wear and tear that comes with living out here where we do.

I have many friends who own and love their Toyotas. Not one of them drive their trucks under the daily conditions that I do. You just have to match your vehicle to your personal preferences, lifestyle and budget.

I think that it is very cool to drive a truck that was built in Baja.

YMMV

David K - 8-26-2015 at 10:47 AM

Thanks Ron... as you and other state, nothing is 100% perfect. So, we just have to come close!

Ford is highly regarded here and perhaps the best big truck for most Nomads? My dad's last vehicle was a Ford wagon, and it made the Baja run before the highway was completed... Nothing went wrong with it, but it was a 1973 model, and most American brands were still all great back then!

Again, this thread is only about the new 3rd Gen Tacoma features for those interested... sorry it got to become a debate on models or brands.

rts551 - 8-26-2015 at 02:09 PM

Ron, you are absolutely correct....plus you have to keep up with the current models. Rams have updated their models to be top rated...and GMC/Chevrolet (oh my god) are rated half way decently, Ford has their new aluminum body 150.. the world changes...for some.

BajaGringo - 8-26-2015 at 02:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Ron, you are absolutely correct....plus you have to keep up with the current models. Rams have updated their models to be top rated...and GMC/Chevrolet (oh my god) are rated half way decently, Ford has their new aluminum body 150.. the world changes...for some.

My only problem with going with the very newest models down here away from the border is that they tend to have a lot more electronics which in turn means a lot more sensors = a lot more that can (and will) go wrong. It is relatively easy to get a correct mechanical diagnosis down here as well as parts for trucks that are 5-10 years old. New models, not so much.

Not that I am not tempted by the new trucks out there...

[Edited on 8-26-2015 by BajaGringo]

rts551 - 8-26-2015 at 02:50 PM

I became more comfortable as people (government/ranchos/businesses) started using the newer truck...requiring more electronic diagnostics. The new vehicles--everything, including the radio, is computer controlled.

SFandH - 8-26-2015 at 03:13 PM

Would You Pay $70,000 For Ford’s 2016 F-150 Limited?

Pricey pick-up to cruise to the taco stand.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/would-you-pay-70k-for-...

At least it will hold an 8 foot 2x4 inside the bed.

[Edited on 8-26-2015 by SFandH]

Lee - 8-26-2015 at 03:56 PM

2016 Taco Limited with a 5' bed? Shocking. It's a good truck, drove one awhile back, got a F-150. Have had a couple F150s, one F250 and current F350 (6.0 SRW, Lariat, crew cab, Super Duty, turbo diesel. Around 24 mpg highway, about 12 mpg towing my 3k pound CRV. Best truck I ever had.

The Taco would work with a camper shell or folding camper. Pay Load isn't there but it's a nice pickup. Friend has a newer Tundra that I don't think much of. He loves it.

Taco can go in the sand and a better Baja vehicle. Won't be taking my 7k pound diesel to the beach. It tows my 15k pound 5ver like it's not there.

Check back on the Chevy Colorado in a couple years. It's too new.

TMW - 9-10-2015 at 10:22 AM

I thought the special guest might be David K.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/toyota-video-with-a-spec...

David K - 9-11-2015 at 09:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

I thought the special guest might be David K.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/toyota-video-with-a-spec...

I am less hairy!

Jack Swords - 9-11-2015 at 11:37 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/09/11/toyota-t...

and...I love my Tacoma 4X4, my 3rd one. Other car...4Runner, 4th one.

David K - 9-11-2015 at 02:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Jack Swords

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/09/11/toyota-t...

and...I love my Tacoma 4X4, my 3rd one. Other car...4Runner, 4th one.

Anybody catch the model name mistake (near the end)?

TMW - 9-11-2015 at 06:26 PM

I watched the end again but didn't catch it, maybe I went too far.

David K - 9-11-2015 at 11:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

I watched the end again but didn't catch it, maybe I went too far.

It's the link that Jack shared, not the video.

TMW - 9-12-2015 at 10:53 AM

I listened to it several times and still didn't catch it. It's funny that Jack's video starts with a commercial for Motor City GMC Bakersfield. That's where I bought my GMC Z71 at.

David K - 9-12-2015 at 10:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

I listened to it several times and still didn't catch it. It's funny that Jack's video starts with a commercial for Motor City GMC Bakersfield. That's where I bought my GMC Z71 at.

Ok, ummm... no video, just the link to the article... it calls the new 2016 a Tundra instead of a Tacoma in one of the last places the model is mentioned... just an editing ooops.