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La Paz. Maybe things will become a little safer- not so killings are increasing

rts551 - 9-23-2015 at 07:20 AM

After the clean-up is over (4 dead in the last 2 days).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245907/Revealed-ris...


[Edited on 9-27-2015 by rts551]

bajabuddha - 9-23-2015 at 09:59 AM

After reading the story two things come to mind; 1), If she's in a La Paz prison she'll probably still be in control of her operations by proxy... and 2) as far as La Paz being safer, there will be a battle of wanna-be bosses fighting for the spoils. What is, is. I don't see La Paz becoming safer or less crime in the near or distant future, if at all. The mainland has proven that; money and power corrupts, and Mexico has plenty of both right now.

rts551 - 9-23-2015 at 10:35 AM

She is in Mexico City.....but

and retribution or fight over turf....I expect retribution (from the Siniloa cartel) is occurring.

SFandH - 9-23-2015 at 11:03 AM

Is it dangerous for folks like us in La Paz because drug cartel members are killing each other? Are these killings happening in the nicer areas of town where tourists and expats are or are they happening in the poorer areas where "we" wouldn't go anyway?

I know it's a drag but how dangerous is it really?



rts551 - 9-23-2015 at 11:48 AM

If you look at the 170 killings since this stuff started, its all over. La China was responsible (one of the charges) for a killing on the malecon. Oxxo's, restaurants etc have had killings. One whole family (2 kids) taken out in one car.

My friends in the Abreojos coop fish store say they do not go out at night any more, anywhere..and advise me to do the same.

That being said...Many people say they feel safe because it is between cartels. They say they have not changed their lifestyle at all.

I tend to be aware of my surroundings (whenever I am in any city) and I do listen to the locals except for those who have a vested interest in the tourist industry.

shari - 9-23-2015 at 11:56 AM

I think it will get worse before it gets better with more fighting for turf in La Paz and surrounding area. While the violence is certainly cartel related, one could get caught in crossfire. Our relatives in La Paz dont go out at night and are very very cautious where they go but you cant really not go to taco stands, big stores, the malecon etc. but everyone is more worried than before.

Ralf, are you saying that the coop guys wont go out after dark in Abreojos? That is just not the case here in Asuncion....the streets are full of people, kids and families at night here!

rts551 - 9-23-2015 at 12:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by shari  
I think it will get worse before it gets better with more fighting for turf in La Paz and surrounding area. While the violence is certainly cartel related, one could get caught in crossfire. Our relatives in La Paz dont go out at night and are very very cautious where they go but you cant really not go to taco stands, big stores, the malecon etc. but everyone is more worried than before.

Ralf, are you saying that the coop guys wont go out after dark in Abreojos? That is just not the case here in Asuncion....the streets are full of people, kids and families at night here!


Shari, the coop has a store/restaurant in La Paz. Its where we staay sometimes when going to La Paz. I was referring to them....In Abreojos, we can not stay out of the streets!

bajabuddha - 9-23-2015 at 12:22 PM

If La China is truly in Mexico City, did she get Chapo's old cell? She could just dig a little deeper and tunnel out in Beijing! :light:

BajaBlanca - 9-23-2015 at 02:09 PM

unfortunately, in La Paz, there is no area that is safe anymore! they are killing people on the malecon - in restaurants downtown -anywhere at all.

we were there a year ago summertime for a monthlong stay and it was the most peaceful town. we went out on the streets morning noon and night. Now, we wont even return for a vacation until it changes back to peace.

gallesram - 9-23-2015 at 02:17 PM

We were in La Paz for a week this past June and we didn't notice anything different from previous stays; Malecon was still packed at night, restaurants were busy, etc. We did hear about an isolated incident involving gunfire on the Malecon but it seems that most of the violence is in neighborhoods that I wouldn't visit because as a tourist I have no reason to go.

Full disclosure: we also go to Acapulco every winter for at least a week each year. We just booked our trip for January; you just can't beat the weather. Aside from the lack of foreign tourists (and therefore hurting businesses) we haven't noticed much of a difference there either. Again, the killings we read about are mostly taking place in areas that we wouldn't have a reason to visit.

Nowhere is completely safe; I still shake my head about the college senior who was murdered at UCLA this past weekend and then had her apartment set on fire. I would have never thought something like that would happen in Westwood.

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 9-23-2015 at 05:16 PM

Hola,

wow, it is really sad that this wonderful town is having cartel problems out in the open. i used to visit and stay for a few days and eat at the restaurants as at the time, there weren't very many good restaurants in los barriles and i didn't want to go to the tourist trap in cabo san lucas.

years ago, when i lived in los barriles, a very good mexican friend told me do not go to the carnival in la paz.

he told me after they captured a major cartel member there, the police found a car with automatic rifles and they said the people they arrested were going to shoot people on the malecon during the festivities as retribution.

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT



The Fact of the Matter

captkw - 9-23-2015 at 07:25 PM

If the usa wasn't so hungry for drugs and this insane " war on Drugs" mexico would not have this problem plain and simple !! The Usa gov dosnt care if you do drugs...it cares about who's drugs your doing !! I got to know some local's at "ollies point" in south nicky.. after 3/4 month's was shown a pic of this guy and his brother with backpacks on walking towards a us marine plane..( C130 I guess) I said " mota ? no,, CoCa.. he replied!! yikes,,now, who is gonna inspect that plane ?? :wow:

[Edited on 9-24-2015 by captkw]

measomsan - 9-24-2015 at 05:05 AM

Sadly if you take away the drug craving from the USA it will not stop Smuggling into the USA. It will not stop the kidnapping in Mexico. It will not stop the cartel fighting for control in LA Paz, Cabo. etc...

It will not stop the cartel putting the pinch on the merchants in the Mexico towns. It will not stop the corrupt cops in Mexico..

I do six months every year in Baja and have for any years. It is convenient to use the USA for all Mexico's issues.

Of course the drug craving is part. But back from the days of the railroad being built the coolies ran black tar from Mexico to San Fran to the folks building the railroad in the 1800...nothing new here...move along

SIR

captkw - 9-24-2015 at 08:28 PM

I have spent most of a good part of life my traveling''WAY more than you could ever perceive... been in mex since 1968 as a kid..So,, your gringo BS tells me you don't understand the issues at hand...If drugs are not a crime,, than the crime goes away,,,check out Denmark and many other places that did the BIG law change and they are happy with the outcome.....treatment is way better than the USA of lock um up BS. (in some cases fine).BTW,,Do you think "Fast and Furious" was what you think what you been lied to about.......Come on....HOW many folks here think for a second your gonna track guns in mexico..Anyone that's says yes,,hasn't been here.............YOU MOVE ON !! FUNNY,,I just reread your stupid post where you say about running drugs from mex to san fran...WAKE UP FOOL !!yes its been going on for a long,long time.....The WAR ON DRUGS IS NOTHING BUT A BAD,,BAD JOKE on the simple little fools watching the TV in The USA..You should read what you posted and do some more MEDS !!!

[Edited on 9-25-2015 by captkw]

measomsan - 9-25-2015 at 05:02 AM

Wow ! so we will start name calling, kinda early but ok, if that makes you happy so be it. My stupid post, got to be a lib-trad we have here for sure. Get your undies out of your ass.

Drugs , my point was they have been run long before they were a crime. I don't care if you or anyone else snorts, sticks, or swallows anything. Just pointing out that it has gone on a long time. But seeing the time of your post I can see your meds might be a factor.

As to the rest of my post, kidnapping, other smuggling heading north, all the rest that goes on in La Paz or anywhere else not near the northern boarder, you just past over. Love the gringo BS part. That was awesome, you don't know chite about me , where i travel, how long, with who. But because it is 3:28AM and you are flying high you got all worked up. So as I have seen before some on this site are the keepers of all knowledge of Mx. Any others like my self that came to Mexico back in the 1960 area, well we are just not as knowledge, well traveled, or read as the great captain ...now off you go

bajabuddha - 9-25-2015 at 07:05 AM

If Kaptain Kanga - Wooo :wow: really doesn't like you, he'll tell everyone you're "really not a Baja guy" and call you a dumbazz,,,,,,,,,,, with lots of commas. Too much carb-cleaner methinks. Plus, a big fish in a very small pond does create delusions of adequacy; the World According to Carp.

dtbushpilot - 9-25-2015 at 07:13 AM

If the US would legalize drugs all the narco bad guys will get jobs at Pemex and Oxxo and we can all get back to fishing and drinking beer....and working on 2 stroke outboards....:lol::lol:

Tioloco - 9-25-2015 at 08:10 PM

Hopefully La Paz will settle down. It is really a fun little city to hang out and relax.

bajaguy - 9-25-2015 at 09:00 PM

Wonder how I can get a 7.62x39 and 5.56 ammunition distributorship........could make lots of pesos

rts551 - 9-26-2015 at 02:33 PM

one shot yesterday...another shot today.

bajabuddha - 9-26-2015 at 03:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Hopefully La Paz will settle down. It is really a fun little city to hang out and relax.


LITTLE city? Where you from??

Just curious, any La Pazinites happen to know the current census population there now?

Tioloco - 9-26-2015 at 03:59 PM

Big town sound better?

Tioloco - 9-26-2015 at 04:05 PM

215,000 as of 2010.
So yes, fun little city.

rts551 - 9-26-2015 at 04:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Hopefully La Paz will settle down. It is really a fun little city to hang out and relax.


LITTLE city? Where you from??

Just curious, any La Pazinites happen to know the current census population there now?


175 less than there was in july 2014. These guys are keeping count...although they are a little behind. must be busy

http://peninsulardigital.com/

Tioloco - 9-26-2015 at 04:18 PM

Tucson 44
Albuquerque 28
La Paz 175 is a big number

23S52N - 9-26-2015 at 04:39 PM

Greater La Paz pop is 250K....no longer a quaint little city....
But.....here is the problem as i see it vis a vis expats and non imigrantes; most of the problems lie in unsubstantiated gossips by people who are not in the know, and that becomes an endemic. Does La Paz have a problem? of course and for the small population it is indeed a problem. I live in Alberta where gang violence is part of the culture of big cities like Edmonton and Calgary, and believe me, from my experience (retired law enforcement) the problems of violence are almost always attributable to drugs. I don't plan to give a politicians' solution to the problem....but if one takes things in perspective (i.e. using your common sense) and lives with the risks, then I think La Paz is livable. There is no solution to a commodity that is in public demand and considered illegal by a government....ask any working girl.

just my humble opinion...

regards,
Keith

[Edited on 9-26-2015 by 23S52N]

[Edited on 9-26-2015 by 23S52N]

Tioloco - 9-26-2015 at 04:51 PM

Metropolitan Flagstaff is 136,000 and it is a small town.
San Luis Rio Colorado (SLRC) Sonora has 200,000+ and it is a small town.
La Paz still feels small to me. I really like the place and hope the narco crap will stop soon for everyone's sake.
Police chief in SLRC was just assassinated, yet the town is still overall a pretty quiet place to hang out and feels pretty safe.
Narco violence is at least as of yet not usually "random".
Peace to La Paz

rts551 - 9-26-2015 at 06:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 23S52N  
Greater La Paz pop is 250K....no longer a quaint little city....
But.....here is the problem as i see it vis a vis expats and non imigrantes; most of the problems lie in unsubstantiated gossips by people who are not in the know, and that becomes an endemic. Does La Paz have a problem? of course and for the small population it is indeed a problem. I live in Alberta where gang violence is part of the culture of big cities like Edmonton and Calgary, and believe me, from my experience (retired law enforcement) the problems of violence are almost always attributable to drugs. I don't plan to give a politicians' solution to the problem....but if one takes things in perspective (i.e. using your common sense) and lives with the risks, then I think La Paz is livable. There is no solution to a commodity that is in public demand and considered illegal by a government....ask any working girl.

just my humble opinion...

regards,
Keith

[Edited on 9-26-2015 by 23S52N]

[Edited on 9-26-2015 by 23S52N]


Are the gangs of Canada as violent as the narco cartels of Mexico? Do they target police and other government officials? I suspect their tunnel expertise is not up to snuff so I will not ask about that. (thats a joke).

23S52N - 9-26-2015 at 06:37 PM

if you mean, do they shoot to kill? of course they do....if you mean are as many killed per population? no of course not.....c'mon...mexico and latin america are unique to this in many ways....but think back to Florida about 25 years ago.....and also take into account that the police in the US and Canada are generally not as corrupt or corruptible because they are better trained and better paid....and are not in most part, a part of the problem. I think you know what i am getting at.....right?

regards,
Keith

rts551 - 9-26-2015 at 07:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 23S52N  
if you mean, do they shoot to kill? of course they do....if you mean are as many killed per population? no of course not.....c'mon...mexico and latin america are unique to this in many ways....but think back to Florida about 25 years ago.....and also take into account that the police in the US and Canada are generally not as corrupt or corruptible because they are better trained and better paid....and are not in most part, a part of the problem. I think you know what i am getting at.....right?

regards,
Keith


That is what I thought. Pretty much apples and oranges, except people are dead.

rts551 - 9-26-2015 at 07:48 PM

Another shooting this evening in La Paz.

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/a-balazos-fue-asesinada-una-person...

Tioloco - 9-26-2015 at 08:38 PM

Are any of these killings happening in the tourist bars along the malecon?

rts551 - 9-26-2015 at 11:00 PM

on the malecon itself. yes

Entrada1270 - 9-27-2015 at 10:12 AM

Any news of what is happening in other places in Baja Sur--Cabos, Loreto, Todos Santos??

bajabuddha - 9-27-2015 at 10:21 AM

Could be worse; could be in Chicago; they're averaging over two dozen casualties every weekend. Elementary school children doing their homework on their beds hit with strays going through walls from drive-byes. If only the druggies could keep it between themselves, it's Clorox in the gene-pool. It's the collateral damage that is the travesty.

Lee - 9-27-2015 at 01:34 PM

And then there's the I-10 shooter(s) in Phoenix.

Try to imagine tourists being shot at on Highway 1?

La Paz isn't any more or less dangerous with it's violence -- which, by the way, isn't new.

As for Todos, a neighbor confronted someone coming in through his upper floor window, and the perp pulled a gun and shot at him.

A neighbor in Pescadero had 3 Mexicans come in his yard, one pulled a gun, and demanded money.

Lots of violence doesn't make the media but is well known.

Baja isn't for everyone. Like the Buddhaman said: buy your ticket, take your chances.

It's not the end of the world, folks.

bajabuddha - 9-28-2015 at 04:12 PM

La Paz? Could be worse....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-killed-10-year-old-h...

edit: btw, that's just this weekend.

[Edited on 9-28-2015 by bajabuddha]

rts551 - 9-28-2015 at 04:27 PM

Have not been to Chicago in 40 years and don't plan to go in the near future. I go to La Paz at least a couple times a year and will continue to do so. I therefore am more aware of what happens in La Paz.

While in Tucson, we were well aware of the freeway shootings. The people that lived there altered their course to work so as to stay off the freeway. Smart people.


Do some of you wear a bulls eye on your back for the thrill of it all?

or are you just tough on the internet. Maybe you can show your macho by going to La Paz and challenging some of those "in the alternate gene pool".

NEVER MIND. Most of you do not go to Mexico that often anyway.

dtbushpilot - 9-28-2015 at 04:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
La Paz? Could be worse....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-killed-10-year-old-h...

edit: btw, that's just this weekend.

[Edited on 9-28-2015 by bajabuddha]


20 shootings and only one death? Sounds like the Chicago gangstas need to take shooting lessons from the MX narcos..

rts551 - 9-28-2015 at 04:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
La Paz? Could be worse....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-killed-10-year-old-h...

edit: btw, that's just this weekend.

[Edited on 9-28-2015 by bajabuddha]


20 shootings and only one death? Sounds like the Chicago gangstas need to take shooting lessons from the MX narcos..


The narcos make sure of what they do... dismemberment works wonders.

from the article "In a fit of rage at his perceived treachery, La China allegedly cut off El Tyson's forearms before killing him."





[Edited on 9-28-2015 by rts551]

rts551 - 9-28-2015 at 04:33 PM

No innocent people?

"In early August, worried that her vehicles were known to the authorities and fearful of being tracked, La China ordered logistics man El Tyson to buy a pickup truck.

El Tyson organised for two of his parents’ friends to meet with La China, but when they arrived to sell their vehicle the narco boss had them murdered rather than pay."


bajabuddha - 9-28-2015 at 04:40 PM

And, considering La Paz's population is about 1/10th (or less) of Chicago's, and their drug habits at least as equal if not less so, I'd take La Paz for a vacation than the Windy City.

However, neither is going to happen in the remainder of my lifetime; Mulegé is plenty big enough for me; Sta. R. is 'The Big-enough City' for me; you Cabo Wobblers and Ensenadiacs can keep the hordes at bay for me. One trip to Loreto a year is enough also... maybe two.
:coolup:

Tioloco - 9-28-2015 at 04:44 PM

Gloom, doom, etc....
Reference Phoenix during the freeway shootings, it seems far more statistically likely to run into problems on the city streets in the attempt to avoid the shooter.I took the freeway. Maybe I am just a little loco. Haha
Oh, and I agree that some here probably don't go to Mexico anyway.

rts551 - 9-29-2015 at 12:32 PM

2 of the recent killings in La Paz are presumed to be innocent people killed by mistake. On the 25th an 18 year old was shot outside a convenience store in colonia La Fuente. The other , a 30 year old was shot on the 26th in colonia Indeco by a fruit stand.


http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/se-presume-que-eran-inocentes-los-...

bajabuddha - 9-29-2015 at 12:36 PM

How does one get shot by a fruit stand??? That's the pitts !! :o

SFandH - 9-29-2015 at 12:37 PM

That's a shame. Creeps killing other creeps is a bad thing. Innocent people dying, much worse.

Before folks start posting New Orleans or Chicago statistics, keep in mind gun violence is new to La Paz. Therefore the discussion.

[Edited on 9-29-2015 by SFandH]

laventana - 11-18-2015 at 05:49 AM

the rumor I have heard is last month the killings dropped to 2.

And as a factoid, from LaVentana to LaPaz they have removed the gov checkpoint, that always had 3 branches of enforcement, military, city and federal so that it would be harder to have everyone involved. That checkpoint had been there since hurricane Odile.

I also do not see the military at various chokepoints in the city of LaPaz now.

So I am guessing the rumor may be true that only 2 deaths in LaPaz last month.

rts551 - 11-18-2015 at 09:25 AM

There was an article not too long ago in BCSnoticias that talked about how one cartel has taken over.

vandenberg - 11-18-2015 at 09:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
There was an article not too long ago in BCSnoticias that talked about how one cartel has taken over.


That would explain the drop in violence

motoged - 11-18-2015 at 10:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
There was an article not too long ago in BCSnoticias that talked about how one cartel has taken over.



I watched the new movie, "Sicario", recently....well-done film that was fairly gritty....that suggested stability would resume once the Columbians were back in control.....or something like that.

It was un-nerving last January when I was gassing up in Vizcaino and a fellow walked by my pickup with my moto in the back, looked at it and me, and made some comment to the female attendant at the pump that clearly had the word "sicario" in his comment referring to me and my rig....she gave him a look of disapproval in response to his comment.

I decided to do a rather lazy drive through town in no particular direction for 10 minutes before continuing north....but was a bit nervous for the trip up to GN wondering if I was a potential hijack victim....

Times like that I wish my Spanish was better.

micah202 - 11-18-2015 at 10:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Times like that I wish my Spanish was better.




.....or worse. Ignorance is bliss! :spingrin::tumble:

pangajohn - 11-18-2015 at 12:14 PM

La Paz or Paris....That's a tough one! All citys are prone unless you are from B. C. where all is bliss.