BajaNomad - Rookie question RE: oars on boat

Rookie question RE: oars on boat

Howard - 10-8-2015 at 07:01 AM

I bought a 21 foot Triumph fishing boat and it does not have and oars to be used in case of ....

What length would I need, 8 feet, 9 feet or? Do they make them that break down in 2 for storage purposes?

Do you other owners have oars on your boat in case of engine failure or am I being a little over paranoid?

vandenberg - 10-8-2015 at 07:09 AM

You likely mean "paddle" since there are no oar holders on this boat. I carried a 6 footer for a while, but it was always in the way. A long pole, to keep you off the rocks, will help.
Happy boating and bring your wallet. :biggrin:

woody with a view - 10-8-2015 at 07:12 AM

your radio takes the place of oars!

[Edited on 10-8-2015 by woody with a view]

bajabuddha - 10-8-2015 at 07:20 AM

21' is an awful lot of boat to try to row, even if it did have oarlocks. You do want to carry a paddle or long stout pole for rocks or low tide/shallows... invent a handy storage method along one of the inner sides, or somewhere out of your way but quick to get to. If you do end up with motor trouble close to shore it could save you from rock-bouncing.... shallow bays and inlets make for mud-stuck. Good to have as a 'ray-stick' for wading in same. Also, pesky seals that want a piece of your fish get the picture with a head-tap or two. A 6' paddle sounds about right.

monoloco - 10-8-2015 at 07:32 AM

A cheap telescoping stand up paddle board paddle works really well.

chippy - 10-8-2015 at 07:38 AM

Being able to set an anchor quickly (inside) and having a drogue (outside) is better than trying to row that boat. As stated above a good radio is the most important safety item.

Howard - 10-8-2015 at 07:44 AM

I guess I did mean paddle, not oars. You make sense, maybe just a long stick of sorts to keep her off the rocks.

Anyone ever seen a telescoping pole?

SFandH - 10-9-2015 at 06:42 AM

No, get a strong, single piece paddle. One long enough to use over the side when you are standing in the boat. I use mine all the time when mooring the boat and beaching/launching the boat.

Mine has a tee handle at the end which can be used as a boat hook. Plus they come in handy when coming aside another boat to fend off or allow the other party to grab. All sorts of uses.

[Edited on 10-9-2015 by SFandH]

fish101 - 10-9-2015 at 07:28 AM

If you get stranded out there on the water, Howard, get ahold of me on the radio, so I can give you further directions..

Boat Saying

captkw - 10-9-2015 at 08:18 AM

"dosnt a one leg dick swim in circles"

vandenberg - 10-9-2015 at 08:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by captkw

"dosnt a one leg dick swim in circles"

Have been boating for a long time and never heard that one.
But you do run/swim in different circles. :biggrin:

boe4fun - 10-9-2015 at 09:34 AM

Howard, Bring her over to BA in December and we can buddy boat out to the fishing grounds.

bajabuddha - 10-10-2015 at 06:27 AM

Telescoping or break-down paddles and oars are weaker generally, and if you find yourself in an "OH - SH!T" situation you'll want a sturdy one. Fer instance: A conked out motor close to shore in a wind, you don't want to slam hard to shore..... call someone with a radio? Watch your pusti stick break on the first try? Get a good paddle, figure out how to effectively ship it on your craft AND get to it when needed. All doadble.
Don't be up the creek without one.

Real life

captkw - 10-10-2015 at 09:06 AM

Of the many things I share/teach with other boaters, the three off the top of my head is put on your pfd and see that it works on you.. try going against the wind with that kicker.. try and move that boat with a oar..Good ground tackle is a much,much better thinking!! unless your on a kayak..

monoloco - 10-10-2015 at 09:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha

Telescoping or break-down paddles and oars are weaker generally, and if you find yourself in an "OH - SH!T" situation you'll want a sturdy one. Fer instance: A conked out motor close to shore in a wind, you don't want to slam hard to shore..... call someone with a radio? Watch your pusti stick break on the first try? Get a good paddle, figure out how to effectively ship it on your craft AND get to it when needed. All doadble.
Don't be up the creek without one.

Just happened to be in a situation a couple of weeks ago where we almost ended up on the S. Oceanside jetty when my friend's motor failed, the only thing that saved us was borrowing the paddle of a stand up paddle boarder who happened to be there. I couldn't believe how well that paddle worked. I'm definitely getting one for my boat. By the way, he has an Evinrude E-Tec with less than 100 hours and it's the second time that the ECM has failed and left him stranded. Couldn't give me one of those things.

ECM'S

captkw - 10-10-2015 at 09:20 AM

If more than one failed, there is another issue !! more likely a lousy tech that installed it.. there is "tricks" to install the right way..such as spraying "Deoxit" on the connectors before You push them in,,,And no, Its not in the service manual...what size of boat did you paddle against wind,current ??

monoloco - 10-10-2015 at 11:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by captkw

If more than one failed, there is another issue !! more likely a lousy tech that installed it.. there is "tricks" to install the right way..such as spraying "Deoxit" on the connectors before You push them in,,,And no, Its not in the service manual...what size of boat did you paddle against wind,current ??

The ECM was installed by the Evinrude dealer in Oceanside. This was an 18' boat, there was little wind, but the ocean swell was pushing us onto the jetty. When we borrowed the paddle, we were only about 20' from the rocks with a set coming in, and we were able to easily paddle the boat back into the channel and flag down a boat for a tow.

Pescador - 10-10-2015 at 12:36 PM

I have the same boat, and you want to avoid the telescope boat poles. They do not take well to the salt and are gummed up when you need them. Because you have the rod holders on the side, you can put a decent boat pole in one and it works for almost everything I have ever needed to do. As long as you have a Yamaha engine you do not need to worry about it giving out. One piece of advice that all of us use in our area, put a 2 micron Racor filter in line for fuel. The fuel here is very dirty and a 10 micron will allow things to get through your line that can plug the very fine holes on the injectors. A 2 micron will stop all of that and in 2,000 hrs or more I have stopped all injector problems. They make a new plastic Racor that installs very easily.

Cisco - 10-10-2015 at 02:37 PM

Get a scull.

Outboards

captkw - 10-10-2015 at 03:08 PM

Quote " As long as you have a Yamaha engine you do not need to worry about it giving out." NOW, I have heard it all...LOL..btw I work on Yammys and they break,stop,run like chit...any & all outboards can have issue's...If U would like to learn more about them.. I invite you to check out "Yamaha outboard forum" and u will see that many,many folks have problems with them and parts cost three arms and four legs...

[Edited on 10-10-2015 by captkw]

SFandH - 10-10-2015 at 03:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cisco

Get a scull.

Great Idea. Bahia Concepcion, rowing on the morning glass would be perfect. Nice hybrid rowboat/scull.

[Edited on 10-10-2015 by SFandH]

Cisco - 10-10-2015 at 03:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Quote: Originally posted by Cisco

Get a scull.

Great Idea. Bahia Concepcion, rowing on the morning glass would be perfect. Nice hybrid rowboat/scull.

[Edited on 10-10-2015 by SFandH]

SF. I was referring to the oar, not the boat.

A sculling oar will work fine on the boat he has.

Sorry for the confusion.

SFandH - 10-10-2015 at 04:08 PM

I know. Your post reminded me of my rowing days in an eight man boat catching crabs. 8^)

A sculling oar might be a bit too long and expensive.

Cisco - 10-10-2015 at 04:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

I know. Your post reminded me of my rowing days in an eight man boat catching crabs. 8^)

A sculling oar might be a bit too long and expensive.

I made mine. Oars are a pretty easy deal. That was for a 6,000 lb. 25' steel, displacement boat.

His smaller, lighter, boat would be fine with an 11' oar and the ends can be used for any attachments, boat hook, gaff, people-puller-outer,....

shari - 10-10-2015 at 04:25 PM

You can never be too paranoid on the ocean...she is fickle and will screw you up if given the chance and/or you are unprepared. Always have a pdf, a radio, good anchor, chain and lots and lots of line...oh and extra beer and water and emergency food and first aid stuff!

Cisco - 10-10-2015 at 05:11 PM

http://www.instantboats.com/

Dynamite has a tutorial in there about e-z building oars with hand tools, proper design,...didn't take the time to look it up but if interested go through his stuff.

Pescador - 10-10-2015 at 05:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by captkw

Quote " As long as you have a Yamaha engine you do not need to worry about it giving out." NOW, I have heard it all...LOL..btw I work on Yammys and they break,stop,run like chit...any & all outboards can have issue's...If U would like to learn more about them.. I invite you to check out "Yamaha outboard forum" and u will see that many,many folks have problems with them and parts cost three arms and four legs...

[Edited on 10-10-2015 by captkw]

I know you are the world's expert on all things marine. If you don't believe that, you can just ask you. I happen to work with a large number of commercial fishermen in my area and I can say, without a doubt, that the outboard motor of choice, in our area, is the Yamaha outboard. Now that is probably only thousands of years of experience with a couple hundred fishermen, but you are right, I should have checked with his highness first. Do you repair motors as well as you write?

CJ - 10-10-2015 at 05:42 PM

Hey Howard, haven't you seen the Triumph Boat commercials? They drop them off buildings and pull them down the road without a trailer and launch them in the water. Forget the small stuff put it in the water and go catch a fish. We'll keep our radio set on channel 78 :cool:

smart ass

captkw - 10-10-2015 at 05:44 PM

yes< fix motors better than I type,,I don't need to type well, as I seem to get my point over to the person reading my bad typing...I hope your Yammy blows up on you with all your bad mojo !! Get A GRIP !! Oh,, I forgot, I work at 7/11

LancairDriver - 10-10-2015 at 09:24 PM

Yamaha motors dominate in the Northwest. I have 2 Yamaha 150's on a 26 ft Defiance and they have been flawless with great fuel economy. There are a lot of less expensive filters and other accessories available to avoid high priced Yamaha extras for maintenance.

Mercury sue's yamaha

captkw - 10-12-2015 at 09:51 AM

and won in fed court...mercury marine sued Yamaha for " dumping" motors in the usa.. and WON..they also dumped in mexico and Canada..its got nothing to do about how good a yammy is ..if that is about your only choice to buy (DUH) and if you go to any boat race you WILL NOT see one Yamaha motor..its a wagon wheel mental thing....just because a bunch of panga's are now running a yammy has nothing to do with how good of a motor they are..first it was Johnson/ evinrude's,, then there where a lot of mercs,, now there is yammys and that is only due to the fact of lower prices to the dealers in mexico and the northwest and other area's...if you work on these motors for a living,, you also must know more than just how to fix um !! and mono, as far as a dealer is concerned.. the yammy mech at the local deal hurt his back and had to quit,Now they have some kid that's been in the biz maybe like 3/4 years and are known for doing all kinds of OOps !! MERCURY made in the USA

baitcast - 10-12-2015 at 12:40 PM

This near disaster took place a hundred yds off the Redondo breakwater many years ago and show the many ways we can mess up in the salt :lol:

I and my very pregnant wife,myDad and mother were messing around with some bonita but it was time to head home so Dad was in the process of starting the big Merck and I was putting all the gear away, something I forgot to mention there were some very large swells coming in and crashing on the breakwater.
The big Merck would not start !! I got a sinking feeling in my gut about that time but Dad said never "never fear folks I always come prepared" he picked up this bag and out comes a little 2/hp kicker and I started feeling a little already BUT IT WOULD NOT START mean while we are getting closer to the breakwater

People are starting to gather to watch the coming disaster and there was only one boat in sight and they didn't seem to see the problem we were having,the breakwater is now much closer and Mother is crying and I;m putting a lifejacket on everyone,but Dad says never fear folks I have one more remedy to th problem and there he is with a anchor in hand and a smile on his face.
By now I,m waving at that boat maybe he will see us now,over the side goes the anchor and that breakwater is closer,
Dad says the anchor won't take and he can't get it to hold what the hell is wrong with it so we bring it in and NO ANCHOR

just a length of chain,Dad had just wired a few turns on the anchor some time ago and they had rusted through.
There you have it two motors that won't start and a anchor that fell off and the breakwater is right there!!
Well that boat saw me waving my ass off and came in passed us a line and saved the day,motto you can't be to prepared.
Rob

Pescador - 10-13-2015 at 08:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by captkw

and won in fed court...mercury marine sued Yamaha for " dumping" motors in the usa.. and WON..they also dumped in mexico and Canada..its got nothing to do about how good a yammy is ..if that is about your only choice to buy (DUH) and if you go to any boat race you WILL NOT see one Yamaha motor..its a wagon wheel mental thing....just because a bunch of panga's are now running a yammy has nothing to do with how good of a motor they are..first it was Johnson/ evinrude's,, then there where a lot of mercs,, now there is yammys and that is only due to the fact of lower prices to the dealers in mexico and the northwest and other area's...if you work on these motors for a living,, you also must know more than just how to fix um !! and mono, as far as a dealer is concerned.. the yammy mech at the local deal hurt his back and had to quit,Now they have some kid that's been in the biz maybe like 3/4 years and are known for doing all kinds of OOps !! MERCURY made in the USA

You know if you were smart enough to state your "Humble" opinion it would be one thing, but when you come on here posting and making yourself the expert on all things marine, I for one find it boring and self centered. My pappy used to say, if he was so cotton Picking smart, how come he is so cotton picking' broke? I am sure you have no interest in changing any of your approach, so it is easier if I just scroll through your postings because I have yet to see anything of value.

Pescador - 10-13-2015 at 08:48 AM

Here is the JD Powers report, which is at least a little bit scientific about there test results for 4 stroke outboard motors.
Outboard EFI Four-Stroke Segment
Honda ranks highest among outboard EFI four-stroke engine manufacturers, performing particularly well in starting ease, shifting smoothness and reliability. Yamaha follows Honda in the rankings, while Suzuki ranks third in the segment.

Among the four engine types included in the study, outboard EFI four-stroke engines have particularly high quality, with just 51 PP100. Transmission problems is the most frequently reported issue among owners of this marine engine type.

Martyman - 10-13-2015 at 11:11 AM

We've gone through quite a few mercurys and evinrudes up in Canada. We only buy Japanese motors now. Those Merc's only lasted 5 years and that was in fresh water.

Only five years

captkw - 10-13-2015 at 09:40 PM

You must have a fool for a mech/tech or you don't have a Clue how to take care of a outboard motor..It"s one and/or the other....If you think for sec that a Yammy can compare/compete with a Real merc motor,, your out of left field.... were these motors 4 stroke in the 75 to 115 HP range....If Yes,, that's a Yammy power head on a merc gear case... for anyone to put down mercury marine is a bad,bad joke....number one on the water !! for almost forever it was OMC and Mercury, Then all these other makes stole their design and changed a washer/nut and starting making outboards...FACT !! :no:

Flood the market and the sheep will follow..... any racer will just look at you and laugh in your face !! Jap Crap,,,,,,Who won that War,anyway ??

[Edited on 10-14-2015 by captkw]

chippy - 10-14-2015 at 04:24 AM

Hey Capt.klowny. You are a bit off topic.If you don´t understand these big words pm someone and maybe they will explain.

Hey chippy

captkw - 10-14-2015 at 04:42 AM

did you take your meds ?? you don't make any sense !!

chippy - 10-14-2015 at 08:16 AM

Hey dopey have you noticed what the title of this thread is?