BajaNomad - Visitor Visa Requirements

I haven't gone through SY S/B since they announced the requirement that all visitors must obtain the FMM. So, how is it that you can just drive on through? Whenever we stopped to obtain the FMMs we had to park where you had to be checked through before exiting to highway one.

Not to mention, in the event of a problem, you may face unneeded inconvenience.

The amount of car traffic into Mexico there prevents each car from being stopped. The all FMM stuff is only for pedestrian traffic! You are on the honor system to get your FMM at the border if driving.

bajatrailrider - 1-29-2016 at 06:25 PM

I have had over 20 friends,visit me in baja last month.None got the FMM just drove past.

SFandH - 1-29-2016 at 06:35 PM

I've been asked twice for my FMM. Once southbound at the BC/BCS state line and once at Playa Santispac by officials from Santa Rosalia cruising the beach looking for people who think FMMs are not needed.

Also, I walked across at SY last week and showed my FMM as I walked past the official, he waved me on.

[Edited on 1-30-2016 by SFandH]

David K - 1-29-2016 at 06:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

I have had over 20 friends,visit me in baja last month.None got the FMM just drove past.

There NOTHING signed informing southbound driving tourists of this requirement. Not everyone reads Baja Nomad or calls the consulate before heading to Mexico on the whim.

So, you can hardly fault folks... it isn't always an intentional violation of immigration. IF Mexico really wanted every tourist to have an FMM and get money for the over 7 day vacationers, wouldn't they make a bigger deal of it or set up a checkpoint south of Ensenada, like they did before the 1990s?

bajatrailrider - 1-29-2016 at 08:34 PM

Yes David,but as we know Mexico.Would you say hit and miss.Or set up check points.Then don't for 20 years.

David K - 1-29-2016 at 09:15 PM

Not advocating anyone violate their immigration law... but a law must apply to everyone equally, or to no one.

If it is merely a way to line the government pockets, then they don't care to make it apply to everyone... too much trouble and no room at the border for a hundred people an hour to get FMMs.

When we go on extended trips, we have the FMM... I posted photos and details about getting them at Tijuana, Tecate and Mexicali west.

applies to all

akshadow - 1-29-2016 at 09:55 PM

Not advocating anyone violate their immigration law... but a law must apply to everyone equally, or to no one.

If it is merely a way to line the government pockets, then they don't care to make it apply to everyone... too much trouble and no room at the border for a hundred people an hour to get FMMs.

When we go on extended trips, we have the FMM... I posted photos and details about getting them at Tijuana, Tecate and Mexicali west.

This logic escapes me, since not everyone who speeds get a ticket you are saying no one should ever get a ticket? Eventually they will get their act together and require for all. Now you can buy online but still need to stop at border.

mrfatboy - 1-30-2016 at 07:10 AM

I got my first FMM (Nov. 2015) since I started traveling to Mexico in the early 80's. We went to Gonzaga for a week. The only reason I got it was I read that the car insurance MIGHT be invalid without being in the country legally. I didn't want to be caught on a technically if I did get into an accident.

FYI. I got the FMM at Mexicali West. The official said I MUST return it when I return. I just ignored him. I guess he didnt get the new memo 😁

CortezBlue - 1-30-2016 at 08:59 AM

Hello Grace

Why don't you call Lolita down at the round about, who does immigration work and ask her. I don't have her number handy, but if I find it I will U2U it to you

SFandH - 1-30-2016 at 09:49 AM

I've never heard of anyone being asked to show their FMM in Baja California (the northern state). Has anyone? However, as I said above, I have been asked to produce one by immigration officials at the BC/BCS state line and at a beach on Bahia Concepcion.

A logical thing for the Mex Government to do is to enforce the requirement to have one at the BC/BCS state line and if travellers don't have one, issue them there. The immigration facility already exists, compared to the border crossings the traffic isn't all that heavy, and it makes more sense than the current situation.

BTW, at the San Ysidro crossing, they enforce the requirement to have a FMM for bus riders crossing the border in addition to pedestrians. Just add one more procedure to enforce the law for drivers at the state line.

Maybe they will figure it out someday.

[Edited on 1-30-2016 by SFandH]

bajaguy - 1-30-2016 at 10:17 AM

Stopped by the Federal Police at a checkpoint at the Hwy 3/Hwy 5 junction north of San Felipe....asked for FMM and drivers license. Also asked at the GN checkpoint.

I don't know why this is an issue. We all know that Mexico requires an FMM. Stop and get one

If you use the excuse there are no signs posted (in the US) advising the requirements to enter a foreign country (Mexico), you shouldn't be going in the first place.....ignorance is NOT bliss

I personally would like to see checkpoints and people fined/deported who do not comply with the FMM requirement.

bajatrailrider - 1-30-2016 at 10:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by akshadow

None of us are saying not to get FMM.Just saying we know many people that don't.Yes I agree with you,you should get one.

sancho - 1-30-2016 at 12:40 PM

There NOTHING signed informing southbound driving tourists of this requirement.

Incorrect, the tourist/visitor to a foreign country is responsible to
know the entry requirements/regs of the country. Following your
signage logic, Mex should list the need for mandatory car ins, fishing license, traffic regs on a sign before entering the country?
There is a negative monetary
ramification if one doesn't observe some regs, there is none if they don't comply with the fmm requirement, be responsible,
staying within Mex Imm regs or not

mtgoat666 - 1-30-2016 at 01:27 PM

There are many laws in Mexico. It would be illogical for them to put up highway signs to inform visitors about every law, eh?
The lack of highways signs is not a valid excuse for breaking any law!

grace59 - 1-30-2016 at 02:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by CortezBlue

Hello Grace

Why don't you call Lolita down at the round about, who does immigration work and ask her. I don't have her number handy, but if I find it I will U2U it to you

Thanks, Cortez. That is a good idea. I have her email so I will send her a message. She handled our RP Cards. I was just wondering about the Enhanced Driver's License as when my friend got it she was told that it worked for travel into Mexico and Canada, but it is my understanding that it won't work for the FMM. I know that there is only a slim chance that she will be asked to get one (I hear that Immigration has been doing random checks), but I don't want her vacation to be ruined if there is an issue.

sancho - 1-30-2016 at 02:42 PM

As in days past, quite a few visitors to San Felipe don't get fmm's, I'm sure
it is still the same. I would say with certanity an enhanced DL
would not be accepted for an fmm. I'm sure Mex Imm does
not know what they are, another option is passport card
$40 dlls? That is if you want to be in compliance

David K - 1-30-2016 at 03:01 PM

Sancho, my statement that you quoted IS correct. There are no signs. [That did not mean it wasn't necessary to get an FMM, as you try to spin it.]

David K - 1-30-2016 at 03:07 PM

There are many laws in Mexico. It would be illogical for them to put up highway signs to inform visitors about every law, eh?
The lack of highways signs is not a valid excuse for breaking any law!

Let's stay focused goat, IF you are required to have something to enter a country... then a sign for THAT thing that is required makes perfect sense for anyone driving south. There are signs stating NO AMMO OR FIREARMS before crossing the border.

Logically, a sign should say ALL non-Mexican citizens MUST stop at the INM office just inside Mexico. This would be to 1) Validate pre-paid FMMs bought at Discover Baja Travel Club or 2) Obtain the FMM.

Naturally, there is an exception and that is if your paid FMM from a previous trip has not yet expired. They could have an FMM holders lane and not have to park and get out, just show it as you drive past the officer.

sancho - 1-30-2016 at 04:18 PM

as you try to spin it.]

Amigo, it is RESPONSIBILTY of the tourist/ visitor to know the Immigration requirements when going to a foreign country, it is
not the responsibility of Mex Imm to post signs.
Aquaint yourself
with this term: 'Ignorance of the law, is not a defense'

DavidT - 1-30-2016 at 04:26 PM

Perhaps you could hire a coyote to guide your friend into Mexico, I would think they would like to make money on their trip south and not just when going north.

Bajahowodd - 1-30-2016 at 05:59 PM

I personally think that given all the anti-immigrant/ deport those zealots rhetoric that we US citizens think it's ok to flaunt the law of the sovereign nation of Mexico.

Over the many decades that I have traveled in Mexico I have encountered so many incidences of inconsistency.

But, at the end of the day, why should we Nomads not respect the written laws of Mexico, regardless of whether we feel they are a joke?

I will always stop and get the FMM when I cross the border. Not really good at playing Russian Roulette.

So, I wonder why DK seems to brush off the idea of international mutual respect.

David K - 1-30-2016 at 06:30 PM

How you read me 180º from what I am typing is not clear to me.
I am all for International respect. As a whole, we respect Mexico enough to use their official ports of entry and not just cross the desert into their country anywhere we want. We also want our fellow American to be informed about their laws and THAT is why we have this topic for discussion here, now.

That not everyone reads Baja Nomad is somehow not clear to a few in as much you think there doesn't need to be any signs to alert (non-Nomad reader) Americans about getting FMMs???

I am for education and educating... not for secrets, surprises, and gotchyas (you should have known) type thinking.

bajaguy - 1-30-2016 at 06:59 PM

Maybe people should research the regulations of the country they intend to visit before they decide to cross the border. That would be the prudent thing to do.......not expect the country to post billboards explaining their regulations.. It is not the job of the country to educate the traveler. It is incumbent on the traveler to know what is required

How you read me 180º from what I am typing is not clear to me.
I am all for International respect. As a whole, we respect Mexico enough to use their official ports of entry and not just cross the desert into their country anywhere we want. We also want our fellow American to be informed about their laws and THAT is why we have this topic for discussion here, now.

That not everyone reads Baja Nomad is somehow not clear to a few in as much you think there doesn't need to be any signs to alert (non-Nomad reader) Americans about getting FMMs???

I am for education and educating... not for secrets, surprises, and gotchyas (you should have known) type thinking.

rts551 - 1-30-2016 at 07:09 PM

Just how many signs would it take to post all the regulations for those that plead ignorance? Remember the Burma shave signs....we could start in Ensenada and San Felipe.

[Edited on 1-31-2016 by rts551]

bajaguy - 1-30-2016 at 08:03 PM

Some people would have the Mexican government start posting signs starting at Bakersfield and continuing south to the border

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Just how many signs would it take to post all the regulations for those that plead ignorance? Remember the Burma shave signs....we could start in Ensenada and San Felipe.

[Edited on 1-31-2016 by rts551]

bajaguy - 1-31-2016 at 06:47 AM

Please write the Mexican Director of Tourism and the Director of Immigration with your thoughts/ideas on this subject and let us know what they say

One sign that a tourist permit must be obtained just ahead with a passport. Why is there a no guns & ammo sign at the border? That alone contradicts your theory?

rts551 - 1-31-2016 at 10:43 AM

One sign that a tourist permit must be obtained just ahead with a passport. Why is there a no guns & ammo sign at the border? That alone contradicts your theory?

You make no sense. Guns get you prison. No questions asked. That is why.

All entry regulations that are a pain, would fill signs to Uhhh Bakersfield. You want free borders going south and a wall going North. BURMA SHAVE.

David K - 1-31-2016 at 11:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy

Please write the Mexican Director of Tourism and the Director of Immigration with your thoughts/ideas on this subject and let us know what they say

One sign that a tourist permit must be obtained just ahead with a passport. Why is there a no guns & ammo sign at the border? That alone contradicts your theory?

They also read Nomad... Remember the hassles of needing to find an open bank to pay for the tourist cards, and then go back to the border to get them stamped? NO MORE (since 2012)! Change happens slowly sometimes... 12 years in this case since they began charging for tourist cards (mid-2000)... to allow INM to collect the fee/tax.

mtgoat666 - 1-31-2016 at 12:05 PM

One sign that a tourist permit must be obtained just ahead with a passport. Why is there a no guns & ammo sign at the border? That alone contradicts your theory?

I think the 'no guns' sign is on USA side of border, so probably not a mex govt sign.
Dk, should the signs be put up on USA side? Then you should ask CalTrans to do that, as i5 is their jurisdiction.

David K - 1-31-2016 at 01:55 PM

If the sign is on the Mexican side.... wait for it...

IT'S TOO LATE!

Wow. :rolleyes:

SFandH - 1-31-2016 at 02:17 PM

All right, enough. Freeway signs about tourist permits will never happen. I don't think I need to explain why not.

Stop this nonsense.

rts551 - 1-31-2016 at 02:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

All right, enough. Freeway signs about tourist permits will never happen. I don't think I need to explain why not.

Stop this nonsense.

How true. And unneccesary.

23S52N - 1-31-2016 at 02:40 PM

Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs. Clogging up the scenery, breakin' my mind. Do this, don't do that, can't you read the signs.

Thankya ver mush...

dtbushpilot - 1-31-2016 at 02:42 PM

I have traveled to many countries across the globe, it never occurred to me to look for signs along the highway informing me of visa requirements of the next country on my itinerary....maybe I could have saved a lot of time researching the requirements and being sure I was in compliance before I showed up on the other side of the border. :biggrin:

David K - 1-31-2016 at 04:47 PM

Only two countries can American drive into... only two.

A few years ago signs were added just north of the Mexican border alerting that guns and ammo are illegal in Mexico. That rule was in place long before those signs went up.

Now, a few here are all worked up about some American driving to San Quintin or elsewhere in Baja ILLEGALLY as EVERYONE (they report) must have an FMM if they are a foreign tourist.

I offer an easy solution... a simple sign like the guns & ammo one IF this is a big violation you guys are concerned about.

Seriously, if Mexico was that concerned over every American tourist having an FMM, don't you think it would be put into place at the border or at least south of the border cities like it was before?

Do you like to nag about the law or law breakers rather than find a solution for it?

Bajahowodd - 1-31-2016 at 04:54 PM

Signs along the major highways just short of the border clearly state that no guns are allowed.

I will most likely be attacked by some, but I have to say that I was born and raised in New York, and lived most of my adult life in the greater Los Angeles area and have never owned a gun. Never fired a gun, except in amusement parks. Never felt unsafe.

So, I'm obviously out of touch with reality.

mtgoat666 - 1-31-2016 at 05:18 PM

It would be much easier if we could all carry our ID in a subdermal microchip, we would never forget our passport at home! Never lose it to a pickpocket!

mtgoat666 - 1-31-2016 at 05:20 PM

Signs along the major highways just short of the border clearly state that no guns are allowed.

I will most likely be attacked by some, but I have to say that I was born and raised in New York, and lived most of my adult life in the greater Los Angeles area and have never owned a gun. Never fired a gun, except in amusement parks. Never felt unsafe.

So, I'm obviously out of touch with reality.

Me three.

But I understand there are a lot of fraidy cats and poorly endowed that feel braver and bigger when they carry a gun,...

dtbushpilot - 1-31-2016 at 05:43 PM

Only two countries can American drive into... only two.

A few years ago signs were added just north of the Mexican border alerting that guns and ammo are illegal in Mexico. That rule was in place long before those signs went up.

Now, a few here are all worked up about some American driving to San Quintin or elsewhere in Baja ILLEGALLY as EVERYONE (they report) must have an FMM if they are a foreign tourist.

I offer an easy solution... a simple sign like the guns & ammo one IF this is a big violation you guys are concerned about.

Seriously, if Mexico was that concerned over every American tourist having an FMM, don't you think it would be put into place at the border or at least south of the border cities like it was before?

Do you like to nag about the law or law breakers rather than find a solution for it?

I realize that you haven't traveled extensively David but there are lots of countries where Americans can drive from one to another. I've been fortunate to have been able to do it in Europe, central and South America, I don't recall seeing any signs referring to visa requirements of the next country but maybe there were some and I didn't understand the language.......but I doubt it.

rts551 - 1-31-2016 at 06:40 PM

What is so hard about a passport David? I don't understand your preoccupation with this. Mexico makes it pretty easy I think. It could be like the USA where on-demand tourist permits are not allowed.

BornFisher - 1-31-2016 at 07:17 PM

Mary Ann

DavidT - 1-31-2016 at 07:39 PM

It would be much easier if we could all carry our ID in a subdermal microchip, we would never forget our passport at home! Never lose it to a pickpocket!

You already do, "they" just tell us it's a vaccination.

BajaBlanca - 1-31-2016 at 08:19 PM

Sancho and bajaguy have it down.

it is our responsibility to know and follow what is required to enter another country. PERIOD. I cannot believe anyone would say just drive on through. and what the gvt. spends (or pockets) the money on is none of our beeswax.

So many countries allow us - as dt said - to cross borders by car but we have to be in compliance with their laws.

and really...some of you are saying that if illegals can get across the US border without paperwork, and there are no signs posted every step of the way, then they are OK? I sure hope not.

sancho - 2-1-2016 at 10:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca

Sancho and bajaguy have it down.

A most astute reply, DK for some reason. known only to him,
has had it in for Mex Imm's SIMPLE request for visitors to
check in when visiting their Country.
His view is that
Mex should be extremely grateful for us Gringos visiting, in
some cases, contributing nada to the tourism industry SOB. I view it as a privledge to have Baja so close, so a small
request by Mex Imm, I'm glad to comply

David K - 2-1-2016 at 12:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot

Hi David,
Sorry, it wasn't clear about what I meant about Americans driving only to two countries (Mex and Can)... but that was meant to be from America, not Americans driving in other countries.

Me, not traveled extensively?
Besides many states, Mexico, and Canada:
Fiji
New Zealand
Australia (I lived there for 6 months)
Hong Kong
Japan
Egypt
Greece
Italy
Vatican City
Switzerland
Germany
Luxembourg
France
U.K.

David K - 2-1-2016 at 12:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sancho

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca

Sancho and bajaguy have it down.

Again, misunderstand me totally. I am all for obeying the migra laws. It was mentioned how many are not getting FMMs and I contend it isn't totally intentional.
Since you are able to drive right into another country... and if you get the green light, be in it without any questioning, how hard is it to have one sign, even inside Mexico if not before the border saying the FMM is needed?

David K - 2-1-2016 at 12:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

What is so hard about a passport David? I don't understand your preoccupation with this. Mexico makes it pretty easy I think. It could be like the USA where on-demand tourist permits are not allowed.

How do you get this or are you just trolling by misrepresenting what I have said here? I have advocated have BOTH a passport and passport card in all these current threads.

1) Have the passport and passport card (if you have both).
2) Obtain the FMM at the border or validate the one you bought in advance, at the border.
3) Spend money at businesses in Mexico and tip kindly for good service everywhere.
4) Enjoy the history of Old California, it started in Baja!

rts551 - 2-1-2016 at 12:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sancho

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca

Sancho and bajaguy have it down.

"isn't totally intentional" isn't that like "kinda pregnant".

Responsibility David. Its called personal responsibility.

[Edited on 2-1-2016 by rts551]

David K - 2-1-2016 at 12:41 PM

So, kinda like a speed trap...? Hide (or don't post) the sign and then getting busted for speeding, "because you should have known the law".

See, I am for helping people know BEFORE instead of punishing them AFTER for not knowing.

LancairDriver - 2-1-2016 at 12:53 PM

Me three.

But I understand there are a lot of fraidy cats and poorly endowed that feel braver and bigger when they carry a gun,...

Goat-

You speak like you have first hand knowledge in profiling the "poorly endowed"

willardguy - 2-1-2016 at 12:57 PM

So, kinda like a speed trap...? Hide (or don't post) the sign and then getting busted for speeding, "because you should have known the law".

See, I am for helping people know BEFORE instead of punishing them AFTER for not knowing.

kind of like seeing that smiling sun is a warning to just keep scrolling? :lol:

BigBearRider - 2-1-2016 at 12:57 PM

Come on, guys. It makes perfect sense for Mexico to put up a sign to let people know how to abide by the law and obtain the FMM. (Perhaps especially so since FMM's were only "sorta" required in the recent past.)

[Edited on 2-1-2016 by BigBearRider]

Romano - 2-1-2016 at 03:25 PM

How many of those were after the age of six, David? :biggrin:

And of all those (Vatican City, really?) how many allowed you to drive in without a visa and a check? Or did you drive in those countries?

Before the Schengen agreement, I can guarantee you that driving between European countries was much harder that for a gringo to drive into Mexico. And don't even talk about New Zealand. They don't want foreigners at all, except for tourist and a few other exceptions. They are terrified aliens will use their social resources.

The real question, whcih you seem to want to miss, is that individuals are responsible for their actions. How can you make arguments against welfare and taking care of your countrymen/women because they need to learn personal responsibility, and then try to make the case that crossing the border without needed is papers "is not their fault"? Talk about BIZARRO!

Whether it was on purpose or by accident, makes no difference whatsoever. It's their responsibility. Not much more to say.

[Edited on 2-1-2016 by Romano]

mtgoat666 - 2-1-2016 at 04:41 PM

Information sometimes needs to be seen to be known about. A sign you drive right past or under is a lot more effective...

I would like to see a sign at the border, visible to all entering the usa, saying "we apologize for the donald!"

Our best sign: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,..."

One of my favorite signs: "In-N-Out"

Feel the bern!

rts551 - 2-1-2016 at 06:04 PM

Information sometimes needs to be seen to be known about. A sign you drive right past or under is a lot more effective...

Nope. Things are so much better now. If we could only get out from under the wars he created things would be terrific. I'll give the repubes, one thing, they all of a sudden like ethenyl.

Bajahowodd - 2-1-2016 at 06:28 PM

The fact that anyone can travel all throughout the myriad nations that are the EU without a passport or a visa just frustrates me about the North American experience.

We have a centuries old relationship with Mexico. We have so much Mexican culture throughout our Southwest.

Why are we so anti-Mexican?

By and large, there is no proof that Mexican immigrants, legal or not, have placed an undue burden on us.

They are hard workers. They contribute to programs such as social security, which, under current conditions, they will never benefit from, as well as having taxes taken from their paychecks.

I'm all for keeping watch on the border for cartel drugs and the outside chance of foreign terrorists attempting to cross. But geez, there are so many wonderful families just trying to better themselves through hard work that we need to give a rest to this anti-Mexican immigrant stuff.

One thing that I have to share. I live in Garden Grove. I'm a few miles away from Disneyland.

The city of Garden Grove is being overrun by Vietnamese.

Unlike the Mexican immigrants, the Vietnamese totally wish to maintain their native culture. Restaurants, supermarkets, Etc. And they speak their native tongue through the next generation. They take over shopping centers, and alike.

Mexicans assimilate unlike the Vietnamese.

bajatrailrider - 2-1-2016 at 07:11 PM

Go to East LA,then say that.

mtgoat666 - 2-1-2016 at 07:22 PM

One thing that I have to share. I live in Garden Grove. I'm a few miles away from Disneyland.

The city of Garden Grove is being overrun by Vietnamese.

Unlike the Mexican immigrants, the Vietnamese totally wish to maintain their native culture. Restaurants, supermarkets, Etc. And they speak their native tongue through the next generation. They take over shopping centers, and alike.

Mexicans assimilate unlike the Vietnamese.

DavidT - 2-1-2016 at 07:38 PM

I have noticed that the whites tend to flock together,... whiteys are same as the Vietnamese, Chinese, blondes, Chaldeans, Mexicans, republicans, 1%ers, Russians, Cubans, etc.,... Birds of a feather flock together.

[Edited on 2-2-2016 by mtgoat666]

Ever wonder why the 1%ers all congregate at places like Aspen?

http://www.ebookmall.com/ebook/the-natural-history-of-the-ri...

mtgoat666 - 2-1-2016 at 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DavidT

Ever wonder why the 1%ers all congregate at places like Aspen?

Well, Aspen beats Big Bear.

Romano - 2-2-2016 at 01:14 PM

The fact that anyone can travel all throughout the myriad nations that are the EU without a passport or a visa just frustrates me about the North American experience.

This is not entirely true. If you are not a resident you must get a visa and carry a passport. Usually one visa will be enough in the sense that a visa for a Schengen country pretty much applies to all Schengen countries.

Residents can travel freely without visas, but they must carry identification.

23S52N - 2-2-2016 at 02:31 PM

@Bajahowod....the US's so called 'centuries long' relationship with Mexico and for that matter, all of Latin America, hasn't exactly been something Americans can look back on with pride.

The US foreign and domestic policies were based on deception, lies and downright fraud backed by military aggression. I'm surprised, given that poor track record, that the Latin American people, and specifically the Mexicans, are as tolerant and considerate to us gringos as they are. They have all the reason in the world to be the other way.

Remember the Alamo, California, Veracruz, Guatemala, Panama, El Salvador, etc...

MHO

Regards
Keith

Bajahowodd - 2-2-2016 at 05:59 PM

Do I detect an anti Vietnamese bias?

I have noticed that the whites tend to flock together,... whiteys are same as the Vietnamese, Chinese, blondes, Chaldeans, Mexicans, republicans, 1%ers, Russians, Cubans, etc.,... Birds of a feather flock together.

Guilty. Because they are so totally insular unlike the Mexican immigrant population. They are unique, even among the other Asian populations.

An example is that not far from me is a supermarket that is owned by a Saudi. In that market, you can find food that is for Asians, Mexicans, Middle Easterners and Americans.

Not far away from there is a Vietnamese supermarket of about the same size that has ONLY food choices for the Vietnamese population.

Just saying that in my many years living in SoCal, the Vietnamese populace is on the bottom when it comes to assimilation.

I've seen second generation Vietnamese continue to speak their native language extensively.

So, maybe I'm some sort of a racist.
[Edited on 2-2-2016 by mtgoat666]

mtgoat666 - 2-2-2016 at 11:48 PM

Just saying that in my many years living in SoCal, the Vietnamese populace is on the bottom when it comes to assimilation.

I've seen second generation Vietnamese continue to speak their native language extensively.

So, maybe I'm some sort of a racist.

Vietnamese is not a race, more of an ethnicity or nationality. The word 'racist' is incorrect. The word to describe you is 'bigot.'

dtbushpilot - 2-3-2016 at 07:01 AM

Vietnamese is not a race, more of an ethnicity or nationality. The word 'racist' is incorrect. The word to describe you is 'bigot.'

I think the word to describe him would be "observant".....

He may be a bigot (I'm not saying that he is) but not because of what he has observed.

[Edited on 2-3-2016 by dtbushpilot]

BajaMama - 2-3-2016 at 10:37 AM

I love and respect Mexico. I get a Mexican fishing license, Mexican auto insurance, a health certificate for my dog, and an FMM. Those are the legal requirements for traveling in Mexico. I order my documents from my travel club, and stop at there immigration office at the border, show my passport, and get my FMM stamped and my passport stamped.

I am a rule follower - however, in being a rule follower I feel that I am showing courtesy and respect for a country that I love. I occasionally get asked for my documents and am glad I have them. That being said, you can do whatever you choose, just don't be peeed when you end up paying fines.

David K - 2-3-2016 at 11:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

I love and respect Mexico. I get a Mexican fishing license, Mexican auto insurance, a health certificate for my dog, and an FMM. Those are the legal requirements for traveling in Mexico. I order my documents from my travel club, and stop at there immigration office at the border, show my passport, and get my FMM stamped and my passport stamped.

I am a rule follower - however, in being a rule follower I feel that I am showing courtesy and respect for a country that I love. I occasionally get asked for my documents and am glad I have them. That being said, you can do whatever you choose, just don't be peeed when you end up paying fines.

PERFECT!

BigBearRider - 2-3-2016 at 01:42 PM