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willardguy - 6-4-2016 at 11:05 AM

anyone out there following the race? unfortunately im getting word of a TT roll over, spectator fatality.......:(

willardguy - 6-4-2016 at 11:18 AM

weatherman is up

http://uk4.internet-radio.com:8074/wm.mp3

desertcpl - 6-4-2016 at 11:21 AM


very sad,,, but for the life of me, why do the spectators want to get so close to the race course

several yrs ago, I was invited to San Felipe to watch the 500

I followed along with the group, they put their chairs just on the edge of the course, after a few trophy trucks came screaming by
I looked at my wife and my friends and said this is insane, I am going to move further back,, few minutes later a truck lost control and went into the crowd ran over 2 bothers, don't know the out come, they was flown to Mexicali

David K - 6-4-2016 at 11:35 AM

Baja Geoff posted a video of their bike leaving the start line this morning, on Facebook.

Thanks for the Weatherman link willardguy.

Score Live Tracking Map: http://score-international.com/live-tracking-score-baja-500/


BornFisher - 6-4-2016 at 11:58 AM

Hope it is not true.
Desertcpl-- I`m with you. Better safe than injured or worse.

willardguy - 6-4-2016 at 12:13 PM

its as bad as it could be........:(
I don't think they've yet restarted the race

carlosg - 6-4-2016 at 12:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
anyone out there following the race? unfortunately im getting word of a TT roll over, spectator fatality.......:(


Unfortunately the information is correct, an 8 year old boy and apparently his mom were strucked by a participant truck: the boy has died and the mother has a broken limb;

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/22/poli...

http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/57342_muere_m...

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/DeportesLocal/...

the first accident was a rolled-over participating vehicle due to someone -a nonparticipant- doing something stupid on or near the course:

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/DeportesLocal/...

[Edited on 6-4-2016 by carlosg]

willardguy - 6-4-2016 at 01:10 PM

now because of the delay they're stopping the bikes early, the heat is taking its toll, its a complete disaster. the first hand accounts of the fatality are over at RDC but believe me, they will ruin your day :(

im done....

chuckie - 6-4-2016 at 01:38 PM

I have been listening and it is a complete train wreck...Too many incidents to respond to...I think they are doing pretty well all things considered...and now a spectator vehicle on fire....

Ateo - 6-4-2016 at 02:27 PM

What happened to 6X?? They're saying it's REALLY bad?

[Edited on 6-4-2016 by Ateo]

mtgoat666 - 6-4-2016 at 02:28 PM

The people in charge of the race are the promoters/organizer. How many spectators have to die before the promoters act responsibly and hire security to keep the crowds back a safe distance? Oh, you say they run these races in Mexico because Mexico's regulatory and legal system allows promoters to put on races on the cheap and avoid responsibility if spectators are killed?
Do it safely, or don't do it at all!

Quote: Originally posted by carlosg  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
anyone out there following the race? unfortunately im getting word of a TT roll over, spectator fatality.......:(


Unfortunately the information is correct, an 8 year old boy and apparently his mom were strucked by a participant truck: the boy has died and the mother has a broken limb;

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/22/poli...

http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/57342_muere_m...

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/DeportesLocal/...

the first accident was a rolled-over participating vehicle due to someone -a nonparticipant- doing something stupid on or near the course:

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/DeportesLocal/...

[Edited on 6-4-2016 by carlosg]

carlosg - 6-4-2016 at 02:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
The people in charge of the race are the promoters/organizer. How many spectators have to die before the promoters act responsibly and hire security to keep the crowds back a safe distance? Oh, you say they run these races in Mexico because Mexico's regulatory and legal system allows promoters to put on races on the cheap and avoid responsibility if spectators are killed?
Do it safely, or don't do it at all!

Quote: Originally posted by carlosg  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
anyone out there following the race? unfortunately im getting word of a TT roll over, spectator fatality.......:(


Unfortunately the information is correct, an 8 year old boy and apparently his mom were strucked by a participant truck: the boy has died and the mother has a broken limb; ...



TOTALLY TRUE, goat...!!!



[Edited on 6-4-2016 by carlosg]

chuckie - 6-4-2016 at 03:12 PM

WOW! A plenitude of wisdom! Love it when people state the obvious...Of course there is Goatley....

Barry A. - 6-4-2016 at 04:01 PM

Yes, tragic, but whatever happened to personal responsibility??? Safety is, for the most part, a personal thing. That's why most really dangerous places within the USA are NOT fenced or controlled, even within our National Parks-----it would be an impossible job to do that. Vehicles travelling at high speed with dust to boot are (duh) very unstable and dangerous. Protect yourself, take reasonable stances, or suffer the consequences, like all things in life!

It's just sensible---------not callous.

TMW - 6-4-2016 at 04:09 PM

Barry you are asking a lot from people. You see it all the time at off road races. People standing on the outside of a turn. People jumping out to slap a truck. Standing in the middle of the race course until the last minute to take that head on picture. Some people are just stupid without a cure. Because it is near impossible to control the people along the race course Kasey Folks pulled his BITD race in Baja out. He did one race and that was enough for him.

Barry A. - 6-4-2016 at 04:15 PM

TMW-------my point exactly---- I am asking for common sense, and don't think that is to much to ask. As for "responsibility"-----different people take that requirement differently. I was just putting forth my personal 'take' on the matter having spent over 30 years in the business of Public Safety, now retired.

On edit: I have seen the exact same thing happen on most every desert race in the USA in the CA Desert, and I was in Public Safety/LE at those races for 13 years--------some people appear to have death-wishes, and there is NOTHING anybody else can do about that. They just figure the odds of an accident involving them is not worth taking precautions to avoid, and they love living dangerously. I have talked to 100's of them, and that is the prevalent theme they all seem to go by----it's a conscious decision.

That "theme" is beyond any Public Safety effort, IMO.




[Edited on 6-4-2016 by Barry A.]

mtgoat666 - 6-4-2016 at 04:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Yes, tragic, but whatever happened to personal responsibility??? Safety is, for the most part, a personal thing. That's why most really dangerous places within the USA are NOT fenced or controlled, even within our National Parks-----it would be an impossible job to do that. Vehicles travelling at high speed with dust to boot are (duh) very unstable and dangerous. Protect yourself, take reasonable stances, or suffer the consequences, like all things in life!

It's just sensible---------not callous.


Big difference between an organized spectator sport where promoter tries to attract 10s of thousands of spectators to public lands, and individual recreational use of public lands.

Barry A. - 6-4-2016 at 04:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Yes, tragic, but whatever happened to personal responsibility??? Safety is, for the most part, a personal thing. That's why most really dangerous places within the USA are NOT fenced or controlled, even within our National Parks-----it would be an impossible job to do that. Vehicles travelling at high speed with dust to boot are (duh) very unstable and dangerous. Protect yourself, take reasonable stances, or suffer the consequences, like all things in life!

It's just sensible---------not callous.


Big difference between an organized spectator sport where promoter tries to attract 10s of thousands of spectators to public lands, and individual recreational use of public lands.


Sorry Goat, I simply don't agree. People do have their own free will (thank Gawd) to do what they think is best. (See my response above)


David K - 6-4-2016 at 04:51 PM

Score TV live at the finish line: http://score-international.com/newapp/update/SCORE%20TV/

mtgoat666 - 6-4-2016 at 05:02 PM

The vid shows the driver going off the course quite slowly, then accelerating rapidly down a hill apparently in an attempt to get back on course, unfortunately when he hit the gas down that hill there were people directly in his path. Looks like driver at fault, after going off course toward people driver should not have accelerated.
This occurred in city, where promoters should have had better crowd control due to racing in urban area.

AKgringo - 6-4-2016 at 05:11 PM

Mtgoat, is there a link to that video somewhere in this thread that I missed?

rts551 - 6-4-2016 at 05:41 PM

https://www.facebook.com/SintesisTV/videos/10153769346257875...

chuckie - 6-4-2016 at 05:52 PM

Weatherman is just now reporting another fatality...Course workers are gone..no helicopter available....I say just now, but I just got back to the radio...could be older news

willardguy - 6-4-2016 at 06:05 PM

I couldn't take no more and hit the cantina....now I hear we lost a rider?....omg

COPS out?????stuckswhatsup?

[Edited on 6-5-2016 by willardguy]

rts551 - 6-4-2016 at 06:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
I couldn't take no more and hit the cantina....now I hear we lost a rider?....omg

COPS out?????stuckswhatsup?

[Edited on 6-5-2016 by willardguy]


232x....from the radio chatter it sounded like heat stroke and no one could get to him in time.

willardguy - 6-4-2016 at 07:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
I couldn't take no more and hit the cantina....now I hear we lost a rider?....omg

COPS out?????stuckswhatsup?

[Edited on 6-5-2016 by willardguy]


232x....from the radio chatter it sounded like heat stroke and no one could get to him in time.


thanks ralph...jesus, if it can it will....:(

mtgoat666 - 6-4-2016 at 07:29 PM

Now that the race is over, anyone got a final body count?

David K - 6-4-2016 at 07:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Now that the race is over, anyone got a final body count?


You think Mexico is dangerous, race or not? In the hometown of our president: http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/

Seriously sad that people die. I can see the race start being moved out of town, away from the mobs of folks, as it has before due to weather.


chuckie - 6-4-2016 at 08:00 PM

WTF does crime in Chicago have to do with the Baja 500? What a truly dumb comparison to make..But about what I have come to expect....I think the days of the Baja races we grew up with are numbered. I am surprised they lasted this long....

David K - 6-4-2016 at 11:08 PM

Goat talked about "body count" in a thread about racing (a dangerous sport)... as if no risk or responsibility is involved.

I brought up a link to something that is about body counts, for people living who are not racing or watching a race, but far far more die and it is an American city at that.

It is what most Nomads know, being in Baja (even racing or watching a race) is safer than living in Chicago (or many other U.S. cities)!

chuckie - 6-4-2016 at 11:34 PM

BULL....

pacificobob - 6-5-2016 at 06:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Yes, tragic, but whatever happened to personal responsibility??? Safety is, for the most part, a personal thing. That's why most really dangerous places within the USA are NOT fenced or controlled, even within our National Parks-----it would be an impossible job to do that. Vehicles travelling at high speed with dust to boot are (duh) very unstable and dangerous. Protect yourself, take reasonable stances, or suffer the consequences, like all things in life!

It's just sensible---------not callous.


X2!

mtgoat666 - 6-5-2016 at 07:14 AM

In my field of engineering and construction people do not die. You hear about construction deaths, but it is usually deaths on irresponsible crews or at incompetent companies. If people were dieing on my job i would know something was wrong and had to be fixed.
How do SCORE staff and racers live with themselves, routinely killing their customers, and then blaming the deaths on the stupidity of their customers? It is possible to protect the spectators, SCORE just chooses not to. Says all you need to know about SCORE owners and employees and racers.

David K - 6-5-2016 at 07:53 AM

I will guess that races will no long begin in the city, or they will parade the racers out of the city and begin the speed section.

The finishing results have not yet been posted ... Here is the link: http://score-international.com/raceinfo/sample-page/baja-500...

Ateo - 6-5-2016 at 08:05 AM

Udall said he road straight down the course this race so he couldn't be called a cheater.

Who is responsible???

bajaguy - 6-5-2016 at 08:22 AM

The Municipality, SCORE, the racers, the spectators, the parents????

Everybody has a part

Most "accidents" are the result of a chain of failures

rts551 - 6-5-2016 at 08:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
BULL....


Yes sir. Pure Bull. Deaths in Chicago have no relevance to racing in Baja. In fact, deaths in Chicago have no relevance to Baja what so ever.

Unless we can convince David to start taking his vacations in Illinois.

chuckie - 6-5-2016 at 08:48 AM

Nah, no Missions, His latest bull about the race no longer starting in the city is BULL too, still under discussion..I expect there will be an over reaction to the 3 deaths, and the cluster F*** on reaction to incidents tho..It was pretty clear that they were overwhelmed and in the face of that they did as well as they could...

SFandH - 6-5-2016 at 09:01 AM

This article says the driver of the Trophy truck involved in the accident was arrested.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/DeportesLocal/...

I'm not sure I understand what happened. Did the driver go off course and hit bystanders because the course was blocked by emergency vehicles attending to another accident?

This link will return baja 500 articles published by a popular TJ newspaper in the past 24 hours.

https://www.google.com/search?as_q=&as_epq=baja+500&...

chuckie - 6-5-2016 at 09:27 AM

Looked like a racing incident on the video...He got loose , lost it, over corrected and went down the draw....Preventable? Only the guy in the seat could tell ya that....

TMW - 6-5-2016 at 09:35 AM

I think arresting the driver is standard procedure in Mexico, unless there is clear evidence the the person killed was at fault, like running in front of the on coming race car. There have been cases where a race driver has run into spectators and killed someone and the team gets them out of the country ASAP. This has happened several times over the years. I remember at one Baja 500 race one of the Balwin boys ran into a crowd and daddy Jim had him flown out in their helo.

rts551 - 6-5-2016 at 09:45 AM

The corner where the accident happened is a nasty one. You are coming off of pavement wanting to accelerate into the wash. Its off-camber and slippery. Site of numerous accidents over the years. In this case it appears the driver just missed the turn and then tried to accelerate his way out of it as he slid down the bank.

SFandH - 6-5-2016 at 09:51 AM

OK, I guess there were two unrelated incidents that the lousy automatic translation of the newspaper article led me to incorrectly think were related.

rts551 - 6-5-2016 at 10:14 AM

Do not know what you read but this video will give you an excellent perspective of what happened. First trucks through negotiate the curve properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbCpAZ8uBs

David K - 6-5-2016 at 10:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
BULL....


Yes sir. Pure Bull. Deaths in Chicago have no relevance to racing in Baja. In fact, deaths in Chicago have no relevance to Baja what so ever.

Unless we can convince David to start taking his vacations in Illinois.


Selective reading?
1) Mt.Goat666 connected Baja racing to body counts.
2) I responded to what is an actual published body count and made the argument that doing anything in Baja is still safer than daily life in a U.S. city (like Chicago).

SFandH - 6-5-2016 at 10:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Do not know what you read but this video will give you an excellent perspective of what happened. First trucks through negotiate the curve properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbCpAZ8uBs


Thanks.

Ateo - 6-5-2016 at 10:28 AM

And this link shows the true horror of the aftermath for every person involved:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ujDSrHD0pA0

SFandH - 6-5-2016 at 10:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
The corner where the accident happened is a nasty one. You are coming off of pavement wanting to accelerate into the wash. Its off-camber and slippery. Site of numerous accidents over the years.


And yet they still route the race through there.

Hmm.................Somebody is not thinking. Criminal negligence.

Ateo - 6-5-2016 at 10:55 AM

And here's Penhall (45X) crashing after battling Colton. Kendall gets out of the chopper and takes over the bike.

https://youtu.be/jlo-Ef2Kdt0

chuckie - 6-5-2016 at 10:56 AM

DK? STFU.....STILL BULL

durrelllrobert - 6-5-2016 at 11:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
The Municipality, SCORE, the racers, the spectators, the parents????

Everybody has a part

Most "accidents" are the result of a chain of failures




In this phot from Elvigia you can clearly see that there was a rope barrier put up by ? and the people that werestruck were on the wrong side of it. However, like ElChappo told the judge at his first trial " It's not my fault that I shot that guy. he shouldn't have been where he could get shot."

Ateo - 6-5-2016 at 11:26 AM

Bob. That's police tape. They put it up after the accident. Maybe delete your post as to not spread more misinformation.

[Edited on 6-5-2016 by Ateo]

chuckie - 6-5-2016 at 11:27 AM

Well, that's good logic...

chuckie - 6-5-2016 at 12:41 PM

Has anyone seen a statement from SCORE as yet? They were going to have one today....

Editorial

bajaguy - 6-5-2016 at 05:00 PM

From El Viga

http://www.elvigia.net/general/2016/6/5/bajas-bajas-238520.h...

fandango - 6-5-2016 at 06:06 PM

This was posted today from score:


In the interest of maximum clarity, here is the complete and exact official statement regarding the fatalities from race organizing outfit SCORE International:



“The closing time on the race course was delayed by one hour, 10 minutes as SCORE and local officials worked on the aftermath of an accident early during the start of the cars, trucks and UTVs involving a race truck within a half mile of the start. Racer Todd Pedersen, Orem, Utah, while negotiating a turn entering the Ensenada wash and attempting to avoid some fans, eventually hit three spectators. An eight-year old boy was fatally injured in the accident, according to police on the scene. He was transported to an Ensenada hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

The boy’s mother was hospitalized and is reported in stable condition at a hospital in Ensenada with head and leg injuries. The identities of the two victims were not released.

In the first racer fatality, Pro Moto Unlimited rider Travis Livingston, 34, of Palmdale, Calif., crashed at race mile 288.9. When SCORE medical personnel arrived, while attempting to stabilize him, Livingston went into cardiac arrest and could not be revived.

In the second racer fatality, Sportsman Moto rider Noah Evermann, 34, of Alaska, was found dead near his motorcycle at race mile 180.9 by another race team.

No further information was released regarding all three accidents as all three are still being investigated by Ensenada Municipal Police.”


Added 2nd paragraph on edit.

[Edited on 6-6-2016 by fandango]

mtgoat666 - 6-5-2016 at 06:47 PM

Score's statement did not even express condolences or an ounce of compassion. Just cold hard facts.
That says a lot about score.


Quote: Originally posted by fandango  
This was posted today from score:


In the interest of maximum clarity, here is the complete and exact official statement regarding the fatalities from race organizing outfit SCORE International:



“The closing time on the race course was delayed by one hour, 10 minutes as SCORE and local officials worked on the aftermath of an accident early during the start of the cars, trucks and UTVs involving a race truck within a half mile of the start. Racer Todd Pedersen, Orem, Utah, while negotiating a turn entering the Ensenada wash and attempting to avoid some fans, eventually hit three spectators. An eight-year old boy was fatally injured in the accident, according to police on the scene. He was transported to an Ensenada hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

The boy’s mother was hospitalized and is reported in stable condition at a hospital in Ensenada with head and leg injuries. The identities of the two victims were not released.

In the first racer fatality, Pro Moto Unlimited rider Travis Livingston, 34, of Palmdale, Calif., crashed at race mile 288.9. When SCORE medical personnel arrived, while attempting to stabilize him, Livingston went into cardiac arrest and could not be revived.

In the second racer fatality, Sportsman Moto rider Noah Evermann, 34, of Alaska, was found dead near his motorcycle at race mile 180.9 by another race team.

No further information was released regarding all three accidents as all three are still being investigated by Ensenada Municipal Police.”


Added 2nd paragraph on edit.

[Edited on 6-6-2016 by fandango]

Noah Evermann video

AKgringo - 6-5-2016 at 07:12 PM

I did not know Noah, but I found this film that he posted;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVl_5UMm8k

For what it is worth, that is what the conditions are like up here right now. I can't even imagine pushing through the dessert in 100+ temperatures!

More on Noah, he was a military dog handler and served in Iraq; https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&...





[Edited on 6-6-2016 by AKgringo]

Sweetwater - 6-6-2016 at 08:36 AM

http://www.sltrib.com/news/3971513-155/vivint-ceo-pederson-i...

Pedersen released a statement addressing the crash that reads: "I'm devastated by the tragic accident that happened this weekend. My heart goes out to the family at this time."

Two other racers died in unrelated incidents during the weekend's events.

The Utah-based Vivint Inc., which Pedersen founded in 1999 under the name APX Alarm, primarily sells home security systems.

Now this:

PROVO — The CEO of Utah County-based home security company Vivint was back in the United States Monday following a weekend crash during a race in Mexico that resulted in the death of an 8-year-old boy.

Juan Manuel Yepiz, spokesman for the State Attorney's office in Ensenada, Baja, said Todd Pedersen was released from custody Sunday after reportedly being detained by authorities following the crash. A spokeswoman for Vivint confirmed Monday that Pedersen was back in the United States.

On Saturday, Pedersen was driving an off-road truck in the 48th annual SCORE Baja 500 near Ensenada. About a half-mile from the start, his vehicle failed to negotiate a sharp turn. Videos posted on YouTube from spectators show the truck sliding down a steep embankment and into a ravine where spectators were watching the race.

According to a statement released Sunday from race officials, "Racer Todd Pedersen, Orem, Utah, while negotiating a turn entering the Ensenada wash and attempting to avoid some fans, eventually hit three spectators."

Three people, including an 8-year-old boy, were injured. The boy was transported to an Ensenada hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The boy's mother was hospitalized with head and leg injuries but was reported in stable condition Sunday, race officials said. Information on the third victim was not immediately available.

The race course was lined with spectators. On social media, many people reacted to the crash by citing a lack of crowd control, noting that others have crashed in years past on the same curve that Pedersen slid off and that it was not an area where spectators should have been standing.

Race officials declined Sunday to say whether the crowd was inside or outside the designated spectator area, but Ensenada Municipal Police were still investigating the incident Sunday.

Yepiz said Monday that the incident would likely be classified as a bad accident and not an intentional criminal act, but that it was still an "open process" and that authorities in Mexico would continue to investigate whether negligence was involved.

He said the investigation could also be resolved if Pedersen reaches a monetary settlement with those involved in the crash. If the families decline the settlement, the investigation would continue, Yepiz said.

Pedersen released a brief statement Sunday regarding the accident.

"I'm devastated by the tragic accident that happened this weekend. My heart goes out to the family at this time," he said.

[Edited on 6-6-2016 by Sweetwater]

Ateo - 6-6-2016 at 05:32 PM

After watching that video maybe 20 times I still can't understand what that driver was doing. It's not like he came around that corner going 70mph. That's one of the most famous turns in the race. I can close my eyes and see it right now.

What happened? Why?

Condolences to all involved and to the 1000's of lives that were intertwined with the deceased.

I hope they find solace.


SFandH - 6-6-2016 at 05:40 PM

Watch this video. Right at the beginning it shows him going off the road. It's like he didn't see the turn. He drove straight through it. Maybe he was going too fast and was standing on the brakes. Tough to tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoxYhnawmhE


Barry A. - 6-6-2016 at 05:48 PM

My Son and Son-in-law were very close by (100 yards?), tho they did not actually see the accident. Their understanding is that the driver went way left to avoid some pedestrians before dropping off on to the dirt ramp into the river bottom. He was not going very fast, but still dropped his left wheel off the edge of the dirt ramp and that pulled him left and off the ramp and down into the swampy river bottom. He gunned it for a second as that is what they do to get thru difficult places/situations, probably not really seeing the people in his path.

That is the educated speculation that was going around just after with the crowd. This particular spot has had many race-accidents in the past, and is somewhat tricky.

bajaguy - 6-6-2016 at 05:49 PM

Reminds me of the car during one of the races that went up on the sidewalk and hit spectators one or two years ago

SFandH - 6-6-2016 at 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
This particular spot has had many race-accidents in the past, and is somewhat tricky.


I wonder if they will keep up with the insanity of routing the race through a well known accident prone place in an urban, populated area. It really is stupid. I can't think of any other way of saying it.



[Edited on 6-7-2016 by SFandH]

Barry A. - 6-6-2016 at 08:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
This particular spot has had many race-accidents in the past, and is somewhat tricky.


I wonder if they will keep up with the insanity of routing the race through a well known accident prone place in an urban, populated area. It really is stupid. I can't think of any other way of saying it.



[Edited on 6-7-2016 by SFandH]


I think it is one of the few places where they can route the race from the streets of Ensenada into the river bed, but not sure on that.

StuckSucks - 6-7-2016 at 12:05 PM

Go-Fund Me for Xander Hendricks (8 year old who was killed)