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Mex 5, again Trip Report Added

rhintransit - 10-6-2016 at 08:58 AM

Trying to decide how to get back to Loreto. Driving Subaru AWD but no particular off road skills and no tire changing experience. Am okay with two hours of slow dirt road if car and I can make it. Enough traffic if there's a problem? Anyone done this route in recent days to offer opinion? Ten years of driving Mex 1, so newbie only to this route

Also, suggestions as to where to stay to break up the trip? San Felipe? Have never been...hotel suggestions? Gonzaga bay? Need reservations there, if so, best contact number?

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David K - 10-6-2016 at 09:05 AM

Piece of cake, 23 unpaved, but graded highway, construction crews, lots of commercial traffic now to cut 2 hours or more of their drive from Mexicali to La Paz. Just go slow, tires best is lowered by 1/3, not mandatory.

Any Baja traveler should have quality tires, a good electric air pump (deflating for dirt roads or crossing deep sand is just too common in Baja to not practice this), tire hole plug kit... fix on the spot most punctures and refill with your pump. If sand driving, lower by 1/2 or more if needed... don't let tires spin!


ncampion - 10-6-2016 at 12:49 PM

The Subaru will be just fine. As David said, have good quality tires and take it easy, no need to air down. Where to stay is a little bit of an issue. If you're trying to make it a two day trip, San Felipe to Loreto is a long day especially now that the sun sets earlier. Someone needs to build a good overnight motel near the 5 - 1 intersection, that would be a money maker. We have made it from San Juan Capistrano to GN via 5 but it's a long day.

rhintransit - 10-6-2016 at 01:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ncampion  
The Subaru will be just fine. As David said, have good quality tires and take it easy, no need to air down. Where to stay is a little bit of an issue. If you're trying to make it a two day trip, San Felipe to Loreto is a long day especially now that the sun sets earlier. Someone needs to build a good overnight motel near the 5 - 1 intersection, that would be a money maker. We have made it from San Juan Capistrano to GN via 5 but it's a long day.


Willing, and expecting two nights on the road. San Felipe or Gonzaga are the only choices, right?

Bob and Susan - 10-6-2016 at 01:25 PM

last month I had some guests go that way that live in Mexicali...

13 hours...Mexicali to mulege...Toyota suv...big tires

vehicle looked pretty beat up from the gravel and dust

they said it was slow but took that road back too

you'll make it...just keep pesos in you purse : )


David K - 10-6-2016 at 02:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rhintransit  
Quote: Originally posted by ncampion  
The Subaru will be just fine. As David said, have good quality tires and take it easy, no need to air down. Where to stay is a little bit of an issue. If you're trying to make it a two day trip, San Felipe to Loreto is a long day especially now that the sun sets earlier. Someone needs to build a good overnight motel near the 5 - 1 intersection, that would be a money maker. We have made it from San Juan Capistrano to GN via 5 but it's a long day.


Willing, and expecting two nights on the road. San Felipe or Gonzaga are the only choices, right?


L.A. Bay is 40 paved miles off the main road and so beautiful you might kick yourself for not seeing it sooner. Many motels and camping cabins there.

San Felipe is 2.5 hours from the border, lots of motels. Gonzaga is 2 more hours south, one pricey motel at Alfonsina's, and sportsman cabins at El Sacrificio.

L.A. Bay is 105 more miles and 3-4 hours beyond.

rts551 - 10-6-2016 at 02:39 PM

you will be fine. nothing on this road requiring you lower your air pressure and take it easy so you will not get any rock punctures.


Common sense prevails.

ncampion - 10-6-2016 at 05:24 PM

Gonzaga would be a good stop point but Alfonsina's is the only game in town and if they're full you're outta luck unless you can camp. I've never had good luck getting a hold of them to make reservations and I've heard of people having reservations and not having a room when they get there.

fish101 - 10-6-2016 at 06:21 PM

When I came down the last week of September with my motorhome, I stayed overnight in San Felipe and it was an easy drive the next day from there to Guerro Negro for an over nighter there, also.. Stop to say "HELLO" to Coco at Coco's Corner as it is a good stopping point for a little break after the first 11 miles of dirt road..You will be fine driving that way for the first time...


mtgoat666 - 10-6-2016 at 06:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Piece of cake, 23 unpaved, but graded highway, construction crews, lots of commercial traffic now to cut 2 hours or more of their drive from Mexicali to La Paz. Just go slow, tires best is lowered by 1/3, not mandatory.

Any Baja traveler should have quality tires, a good electric air pump (deflating for dirt roads or crossing deep sand is just too common in Baja to not practice this), tire hole plug kit... fix on the spot most punctures and refill with your pump. If sand driving, lower by 1/2 or more if needed... don't let tires spin!



DK, most Baja travelers are staying on pavement, doing little or no significant driving on unpaved roads. They don't need air pumps and patch kits. A spare is enough.
Also, you give bad advise to say people should travel on under inflated passenger tires like on stock Subaru. That's just asking for a pinch flat.
I drive regular P metric AT tires on a 4Runner and very rarely lower air pressure, the vast majority of unpaved roads are fine in tires at normal pressure, in fact 99.9% of the unpaved roads in Baja don't even require engaging 4wd.
I suppose if you run rock hard D or E tires you should deflate your tires, as those tires are like concrete and have no dampening effect, just transmit every bump to your kidneys.

dtbushpilot - 10-6-2016 at 06:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Piece of cake, 23 unpaved, but graded highway, construction crews, lots of commercial traffic now to cut 2 hours or more of their drive from Mexicali to La Paz. Just go slow, tires best is lowered by 1/3, not mandatory.

Any Baja traveler should have quality tires, a good electric air pump (deflating for dirt roads or crossing deep sand is just too common in Baja to not practice this), tire hole plug kit... fix on the spot most punctures and refill with your pump. If sand driving, lower by 1/2 or more if needed... don't let tires spin!



DK, most Baja travelers are staying on pavement, doing little or no significant driving on unpaved roads. They don't need air pumps and patch kits. A spare is enough.
Also, you give bad advise to say people should travel on under inflated passenger tires like on stock Subaru. That's just asking for a pinch flat.
I drive regular P metric AT tires on a 4Runner and very rarely lower air pressure, the vast majority of unpaved roads are fine in tires at normal pressure, in fact 99.9% of the unpaved roads in Baja don't even require engaging 4wd.
I suppose if you run rock hard D or E tires you should deflate your tires, as those tires are like concrete and have no dampening effect, just transmit every bump to your kidneys.


It's not every day....not even once a month but every now and then I agree with the goat.....don't worry, the sun will shine tomorrow....

Unless you are in soft sand, as in on the beach you shouldn't air down. Your chances of puncturing a sidewall goes up dramatically on underinflated tires. Your tread is reinforced and if in good condition and properly inflated will handle whatever the dreaded 23 miles can dish out.

Just drive down the road, that's all there is to it. If it is too rough slow down a bit, if you are bored speed up a bit, if you see a big sharp rock sticking up try to miss it. That's really all there is to it.....really....

David K - 10-6-2016 at 07:31 PM

Facts:
I use cheaper than most, P metric tires, not E rated truck tires. BFG Rugged Trail TAs (what came with new Tacoma Off Road TRDs) are P metric radial tires. I have run Pep Boys Dakota ATs and Hankook Dynapro ATM tires since.

When I ran at street pressure on these tires, I frequently got sharp rock punctures in Baja. Once I deflated on graded roads, only 1/3 or from 35psi to 25 psi, I have almost eliminated sharp rocks cuts. 25 psi is not under inflated for dirt roads. In fact, most hard core off roaders run much less, just ask 4x4abc or others. In sand, then I drop to 1/2 or 18-20 psi. Always refill to street pressure for paved roads.

Having a tire plug kit and air pump in Baja (or anywhere) is SMART!

rhintransit - 10-6-2016 at 08:17 PM

Thanks all. I now have no concerns about taking Mex 5. However, wish I'd decided the route before buying all the stuff and packing it. Too much work to pull it all out again and secure it for the two hours of rough road. So, one more time down Hwy 1. Will do 5 next time going north.

rts551 - 10-6-2016 at 08:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rhintransit  
Thanks all. I now have no concerns about taking Mex 5. However, wish I'd decided the route before buying all the stuff and packing it. Too much work to pull it all out again and secure it for the two hours of rough road. So, one more time down Hwy 1. Will do 5 next time going north.


Too bad you have been scared off. It is not that rough. Last 2 trips down I pulled a flat bed trailer loaded with stuff without a problem. I just don't go real fast....also saves the tires from getting rock cuts.

ncampion - 10-6-2016 at 09:01 PM

Give it a try Roberta, so much less stressful than the northern part of the Mex 1 route. The dirt section is nothing.

mtgoat666 - 10-6-2016 at 09:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rhintransit  
Thanks all. I now have no concerns about taking Mex 5. However, wish I'd decided the route before buying all the stuff and packing it. Too much work to pull it all out again and secure it for the two hours of rough road. So, one more time down Hwy 1. Will do 5 next time going north.


Why would you pack a car differently for paved vs unpaved?
The un paved road is not very bad, it is frequently traveled (there is much traffic) and graded. It's just an unpaved road.

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fish101 - 10-6-2016 at 10:55 PM

If your coming from Phoenix, go to Yuma, take the 195 South to San Luis Rio Colorado , easy crossing. Get on Highway 2 for a few miles to Mexicali and get on 5 south to San Felipe. Less stress going that way and you can save approx. 200 miles. Beautiful scenery along the new highway through Gonzaga.. No need to repack, that road is not that bad.

rhintransit - 10-7-2016 at 06:54 AM

2am decision...San Felipe it is! Thanks to all. Will post a "newbie" trip report from an old Nomad when I get home.

bajaguy - 10-7-2016 at 07:07 AM

No one mentioned it yet, but watch your speed and the vados south of the San Felipe airport. They will put your Subaru airborne and you won't have to worry about repacking :bounce::biggrin::bounce:

fish101 - 10-7-2016 at 03:07 PM

When you get to Loreto, send a "smoke signal out" so we know you made it safely. I think you will enjoy the Gonzaga Highway after you leave San Felipe. Yes, bajaguy mentioned the Vados after you get past the Airport turn off and for 30 or 40 miles or so. They creep up on you, so when you see the signage warning you, SLOW DOWN.. Most of the potholes have been filled recently in that stretch of highway and I had no problem with the motorhome towing my JEEP.. Good luck.

rhintransit - 10-15-2016 at 08:18 AM



am very glad I chose the adventure of the new road. Its not faster, at least from San Diego, and at least with my driving speed, but it's a heck of a lot more scenic, less stressful, and I got to see places I'd only heard of in all my years as a Nomad.

easy drive San Diego to San Felipe. only confusing time was getting thru Mexicali to Hwy 5. I didn't research it, silly me. perhaps someone used to the route will post easy directions thru this big city. stayed at El Capitan in town, clean, basic, walk to malecon, price was 45 US but cheaper at peso rate of 780. at last an overnight city with something interesting to do for the afternoon/evening.

up early for beautiful cruise down to Gonzaga Bay. yes, every warning about the topes south of the airport all the way to Puertocitos is correct. keep the speed down so you don't go airborne. the dips look small but...

quick peek at Puertocitas, not much to recommend it but the bathroom at the Pemex was one of the cleanest I've encountered. new road begins south of there, smooth, wide, wonderful, complete with lovely vistas of the sea. many good pull outs and picnic areas. stopped briefly at Gonzaga Bay, checked out Alfonsina's (it was full or we would have stayed there. in my correspondence with them they recommended at least a three week lead for reservations) the rooms are basic, expensive but the location is superb and the convenience of only one night on the road would have been worth it to me. plus the great location!

about 15 kms south, the 'bad section' started. actually I kept waiting for the "bad" section to begin, and at Hwy 1 decided, what bad section?
graded rock road that almost any passenger car with decent clearance could handle. I can't speak to trailers or RVs, not having driven them, but I think I'd avoid this route for them. watch for sharp rocks and take it easy in the harder sections. we kept the speed down, stopped at Coco's corner for a visit and still made it to Hwy 1 in 1 1/2 hrs. lots of construction, some areas not clearly marked as to which way to go, but figure-out-able. no washboard until a bit on the last long section just before Hwy 1 which parallels the roadbed they are working on.

back on Hwy 1, we found ourself kinda resentful of the few cars and trucks we saw there. in the entire Baja section, from Mexicali to Loreto, we passed less than five vehicles.

since it was too early to stop in Guerro Negro, we headed on thinking maybe San Ignacio but decided to check out Hotel Kadekaman in Vizcaino. great find...clean, well run, nicely decorated, pride of ownership obvious. rates 680-880 p, we chose the larger room, numbers 16, 17, 18, 19. large patios and pleasant outdoor spaces for relaxing. restaurant right next door.

so...pros...beautiful, stress free drive with little traffic (but enough I think if one had a problem). a chance to see a less traveled...for most of us...section of BC. cons...not particularly time saving, at least from San Diego, but from AZ and points east, yes. the limited opportunities for overnight stops is the main reason for this, with daylight hours dwindling hours on road will be more limited

okay, trying for photos. if they load, note Subaru...dust only, no rocks, no damage, piece of cake





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Udo - 10-15-2016 at 08:34 AM

Thanks for the honest and timely report, RH.

Some people on the fence will now more than likely take the road.

David K - 10-15-2016 at 09:40 AM

Good to see you through...

Nice that you took the time to drive off the highway to look at Puertecitos (was the Pemex open for business?) and Alfonsina's.

The pavement ends 20 kms. (12.5 miles) from the Alfonsina's driveway/ Pemex station/ Rancho Grande store.

Nice to visit with Coco too!

Going through Mexicali (from the downtown/ west border crossing) is best described as "take the street with the train tracks in the center" and there are big signs at almost every intersection pointing the way to San Felipe and other destinations.

The nice part of the overall choice between Hwy. 1 & 5 is the number of cities and farm towns and local traffic one must drive through and the curvey mountain roads and grades avoided on the 5.

Thanks for the wrap up report!

rhintransit - 10-15-2016 at 09:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Good to see you through...

Nice that you took the time to drive off the highway to look at Puertecitos (was the Pemex open for business?) and Alfonsina's.

The pavement ends 20 kms. (12.5 miles) from the Alfonsina's driveway/ Pemex station/ Rancho Grande store.

Nice to visit with Coco too!

Going through Mexicali (from the downtown/ west border crossing) is best described as "take the street with the train tracks in the center" and there are big signs at almost every intersection pointing the way to San Felipe and other destinations.

The nice part of the overall choice between Hwy. 1 & 5 is the number of cities and farm towns and local traffic one must drive through and the curvey mountain roads and grades avoided on the 5.

Thanks for the wrap up report!


Pemex in Puertocitas was open when we went through, am told not always the case, so fill up in San Felipe.

Mexicali is bigger than one might think. we took 'the first right' as recommended by a friend. wrong first right I guess, ended up in a very seedy section of town but backtracked to main road. it's a long long way thru town and out to Hwy 5 yes, signs along the main drag, not always marked correctly as to which of the four lanes you should be in. to Hwy 5 is, eventually, a slight right angle off the main boulevard, watch that you don't miss it.

David K - 10-15-2016 at 10:06 AM

Yes, you got it!
But now, you are a veteran so next time you know not to turn right!
It used to be 5 miles of city (to the Hwy. 2/San Luis, R.C.) split.. but Mexicali has grown so much, there are a couple more miles of city, passing the Costco, etc. However, it is all 4 lanes, with bridges over intersections, etc.

Next time, cross at Tecate, very little city traffic, and take the 2-D... A few miles before Mexicali, take the San Felipe short cut (toll road) and avoid all of the Mexicali "city". It will take longer, and the highway down the mountain is not as relaxing as I-8 is, but it avoids Mexicali and gives you a new view of a part of Baja that you may not have seen yet.