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Rosarito holdup?

woody with a view - 7-5-2017 at 10:44 AM

Heard third hand that a hotel full of guests were ransacked room by room by guys with automatic weapons over the weekend. Kids seperated from their families for an hour. Apparently, the cops were nice enough to show up after the guys left.

Anyone able to confirm this?

chuckie - 7-5-2017 at 01:05 PM

Even if true, no one will comment...Its the Property value thing..;)

chippy - 7-5-2017 at 01:11 PM

Wait! If true there will be the Chicago/LA comparisons.:biggrin:

JoeJustJoe - 7-5-2017 at 01:32 PM

That's what's wrong with third hand reports, and why they are not allowed in the courtroom, and are considered hearsay in the court of law, because rarely are third hand reports accurate.

So the bad guys ransacked the rooms and held the hotel patron families hostage over an hour! What were they waiting for Christmas?

It's true that not all negative news stories in Mexico make the US media outlets unless it's a pretty big story, a hotel robbery and hostage taken will probably make the local Mexican newspapers, and addition there are local blogs, and social media news sites in Mexico, and Rosarito, that would also cover such news worthy stories.

From by brief looking at sites like Rosarito en la Noticia, on Facebook, and other local newspaper local sites, I don't see such reports. Maybe, it's too early for the news to come out, or somebody is pulling someone's leg with such a sensationalized alleged third hand report.

Chicago, had over 100 people shot over this last 4th of July weekend!

Notice, that rarely if ever, do people try to use a news story like that to discourage tourism to Chicago, yet we see it all the time with Mexico, and Mexico bashing.

woody with a view - 7-5-2017 at 01:50 PM

Second hand guy told me they threatened management with burning the place down. First hand guy had a bad experience. Who knows, maybe it was an illusion?

JoeJustJoe - 7-5-2017 at 01:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Second hand guy told me they threatened management with burning the place down. First hand guy had a bad experience. Who knows, maybe it was an illusion?


Well at least give us the name of the hotel, and perhaps someone could call them to verify such a report, otherwise it's irresponsible to go around repeating wild rumors without even basic facts like the name of the hotel.

Regarding Chuckie, someone needs to soap his mouth.

woody with a view - 7-5-2017 at 01:57 PM

Thats why i asked if anyone could confirm it before smearing a hotel, third hand info being what it is and all.

DENNIS - 7-5-2017 at 02:01 PM


Why would it come as a surprise to anyone when snakes in a snake-pit act like....uhhh....snakes.

DENNIS - 7-5-2017 at 02:03 PM



maybe something on here:

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/

sancho - 7-5-2017 at 02:28 PM

On a similiar tack, although it didn't show here, to my reading, it was off of fb Rosarito, maybe 4 weeks back, a couple was
held up at gunpoint after leaving that Rene Casino, apparently
followed home, report was uniformed badged Police looking
robbers, yes indeed, unverified third hand, but no reason to
doubt the post

JoeJustJoe - 7-5-2017 at 02:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  


maybe something on here:

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/



Nope not there, and I also checked the following links, and the usual group sites suspects on Facebook that cover Baja and the news, and I looked on a few Spanish Baja Facebook news sites, and nobody has this story that Woody talks about that may have happened according to his 3rd hand report.

Not here, not anywhere: ( some of these news sites are based in Tijuana, but they still cover Rosarito, and most of these sites don't pull punches and do report the news)

http://zetatijuana.com/

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/inicio.htm

http://www.afntijuana.info/

http://www.frontera.info/

http://www.rosaritotowncrier.com/

Of course one is always free to scare themselves, and think of the worse of Mexico, although there are no verify first hand accounts ever happening.

Lee - 7-5-2017 at 09:29 PM

Hey David welcome back. Maybe you can report on this robbery? Fake news? Or, boys being boys?

Either way, property values in BCS are safe tonight. Whew!

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-6-2017 at 04:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Hey David welcome back. Maybe you can report on this robbery? Fake news? Or, boys being boys?

Either way, property values in BCS are safe tonight. Whew!


Hi Lee, It looks like fake news. I can't find anything!

JoeJustJoe - 7-6-2017 at 11:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
JJJ NO ONE believes ANYTHING you say...NO ONE.....


So you Chuckie, speak for everybody on "Baja Nomad?"

I don't think so Chuckie, and besides my credibility is not at issue here. The credibility of a 3rd party, and those that forward such outlandish rumors are at issue.

So far there is no corroborating evidence of a Rosarito hotel robbery, or hostage taking by a gang of bad boy Mexicans, who even decided to rob each hotel guess at that hotel that took an whole hour, while the Rosarito finest was out to lunch, and only showed up when the bad guys were long gone.

Oh wait, there are those on this forum that believe there is a news cover-up of most bad news coming out of Mexico or Baja, and it's probable that this large scale hotel robbery did take place, but that we will never know because of Mexico media cover-ups.

If anybody has actually took the time to read the local news outlets in Baja, would know that would be a ludicrous belief, and a big story like this alleged hotel robbery that included all the hotel patrons would not be missed.

How do you think the "Borderland beat" gets all their news?




JoeJustJoe - 7-6-2017 at 02:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Hey David welcome back. Maybe you can report on this robbery? Fake news? Or, boys being boys?

Either way, property values in BCS are safe tonight. Whew!


Hi Lee, It looks like fake news. I can't find anything!


It looks like David, agrees with me. No news story here, only a wild rumor about a Rosarito holdup.

chuckie - 7-6-2017 at 03:46 PM

I suppose that could have been at Sharis...Met Malcolm for lunch...Don't intend to change much, Jihad, doing well as is...

bledito - 7-6-2017 at 04:06 PM

maybe they didn't want to pay the hotel bill so they sent in security to collect.

Stop it!

Howard - 7-6-2017 at 04:08 PM

Some of you are very sad and unhappy people. Just reading your filth, you do not need a Dr. to understand that hate you spew.
Not that it will do any good, but please keep you homophobic and unkind words to yourself as reading your filth does not enlighten my day.

Be happy, why would you want to be anything else?

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-6-2017 at 04:40 PM

I'm very happy Howard. Whatcha talking about.!

JoeJustJoe - 7-6-2017 at 04:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bledito  
maybe they didn't want to pay the hotel bill so they sent in security to collect.


You see some of these very negative type stories on travel boards. It's like some of these people were slighted in some way by a city, hotel, or person, and now they have an agenda against the place with an ax to grind.

Believe me I know the feeling, as I have a few people obsessed with me.

I still read the travel boards especially to a new city, and especially if I want to pick a nice hotel, but I will ignore the very good and very bad reviews, and instead look for an overall pattern of good or negative reviews.

Paco Facullo - 7-6-2017 at 04:50 PM

Dang , I for one , want to party with Chuckie

chuckie - 7-6-2017 at 04:54 PM

OK Dude!

bajabuddha - 7-6-2017 at 05:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
Dang , I for one , want to party with Chuckie


... Hope y'er stamina us up to par... :tumble:

sancho - 7-7-2017 at 10:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Howard  

Be happy, why would you want to be anything else?







OP Woody, I don't get what all the rancor is about, something
you heard, you just passed along, if all posts were thoroughly
vetted, as some have suggested, there would not be much here.
Not that these stimulating
exchanges are nothing short of enlightening, but did you
keep the lid for this thing?

JoeJustJoe - 7-7-2017 at 11:57 AM

To answer your question Sancho, first of all most of the rancor on this thread has nothing to do with this alleged incident.

I disagree with you that there is no reason to doubt the OP's rumored post.

The alleged incident is so far out there in left field, especially since there is no history in Mexico about a gang of thugs, robbing hotels, including knocking on doors, and robbing all the guests over at least a one hour period without a heavy police response.

Then you have the fact there is not one shred of corroborating evidence, like a TV news report, or local newspaper report. We don't even have the name of the hotel where this alleged incident supposedly happened. It also appears this whole rumored incident came from a 3rd party source.

Yeah yeah, we hear the US media, misses these news stories all the time. However, the fact is...... the local Mexican media, does not miss these kind of big news stories. It would have made the local TV news.

And you Sancho, says, "but no reason to doubt the post." Well, one day you Sancho, could win lotto, but I have to tell you the odds are not in your favor. The same with this alleged 3rd party incident of a mass robbery. The odds of it happening are very long.

Part of the other rancor about starting wild rumored threads, is that collectively these type of thread starters hurt Mexico tourism. Now Woody hints of now posting the hotel's name was because he didn't want to smear a hotel, until he gets confirmation. But for others who always want to belief the worse about Mexico, Woody, already did damage, they actually believe this 3rd hand account, or think it's very plausible.

The good news is that Mexico had a record year of foreign tourists in the millions, and next year will probably be another record year.


Quote: Originally posted by sancho  
On a similiar tack, although it didn't show here, to my reading, it was off of fb Rosarito, maybe 4 weeks back, a couple was
held up at gunpoint after leaving that Rene Casino, apparently
followed home, report was uniformed badged Police looking
robbers, yes indeed, unverified third hand, but no reason to
doubt the post
Quote: Originally posted by sancho  


OP Woody, I don't get what all the rancor is about, something
you heard, you just passed along, if all posts were thoroughly
vetted, as some have suggested, there would not be much here.
Not that these stimulating
exchanges are nothing short of enlightening, but did you
keep the lid for this thing?






[Edited on 7-7-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

Alm - 7-7-2017 at 01:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sancho  
something
you heard, you just passed along, if all posts were thoroughly
vetted, as some have suggested, there would not be much here.

... and what would remain, would be meaningful :). It surprises me when people choose rumors over facts.

Could be an exaggerated isolated incident in one hotel room. Could be a targeted hit of one room - or of the entire hotel in course of a turf war. Could be nothing at all.

woody with a view - 7-7-2017 at 03:05 PM

Guys, it was a simple question. Maybe we should all chip in and hire an independant investigator? Nobody said they were afraid on Baja or that tourism was down because of one supposed incident. Just a simple question to the (mostly) simple folk.

If that is wrong maybe this place has run its course? #Sad! :P

chuckie - 7-7-2017 at 03:24 PM

Could be, lots of subjects that are taboo now...If you stick "to where are the cheapest tacos, and how is hiway 5" you are ok...Don't dare bring up possible detrimental to tourism or property value subjects..I though your question was well put..How ya gonna find out if ya don't ask...

willardguy - 7-7-2017 at 03:46 PM

im waiting for a map of rosarito! :P

chuckie - 7-7-2017 at 03:48 PM

And of course, tire tracks getting there....

woody with a view - 7-7-2017 at 04:26 PM

with turn by turn GPS co-ords....

chuckie - 7-7-2017 at 04:39 PM

No No...No GPS..mile markers, GPS is too hard to use..

woody with a view - 7-7-2017 at 04:50 PM

:light:

Savvy?

JoeJustJoe - 7-7-2017 at 05:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Guys, it was a simple question. Maybe we should all chip in and hire an independant investigator? Nobody said they were afraid on Baja or that tourism was down because of one supposed incident. Just a simple question to the (mostly) simple folk.

If that is wrong maybe this place has run its course? #Sad! :P


Woody, it was not just a simple question, it was an indictment against Mexico and the Mexican people. The lack of respect and sarcasm comes out loud of clear, especially towards the Rosarito police.

I know some of the Rosarito police have failed a confidence test, that includes a background check, and lie detector test. But C'mom I would think the Rosarito police would come out in force over a hotel robbery that included taking families hostage including kids and robbing them too.

BTW if the US cops were given "confidence tests" in the US, I'm sure a good percentage would fail too. Rosarito police should get strong police unions, to protect the street cops like in the US, this way they could do their job with impunity like the US cops.


Woody's posts that started this thread, note the negativity and sarcasm. It's more than just a simple question about a robbery.
_____________

Woody wrote: Heard third hand that a hotel full of guests were ransacked room by room by guys with automatic weapons over the weekend. Kids seperated from their families for an hour. Apparently, the cops were nice enough to show up after the guys left.

Anyone able to confirm this?


[Edited on 7-8-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

chuckie - 7-7-2017 at 05:05 PM

AND their speciality???? BOLOGNA....

woody with a view - 7-7-2017 at 06:57 PM

Joe, it was just a question. Sorry, I just figgered someone here would know if it actually happened. I could have deleted original post but since you quoted me that won't work.

lencho - 7-7-2017 at 07:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
...taking families hostage including kids and robbing them too.

What!? They robbed the kids?! Now THAT is just plain wrong! :fire:

Lee - 7-7-2017 at 09:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Joe, it was just a question. Sorry, I just figgered someone here would know if it actually happened. I could have deleted original post but since you quoted me that won't work.


A naive question, Woody. It's difficult to believe you would have any doubt that the 3rd hand story you posted was true. Just making conversation with chuck? Always count on him to scare the women and children -- esp. when he's quoting MSN and The Daily Beast.



chuckie - 7-8-2017 at 03:53 AM

Exit right....

woody with a view - 7-8-2017 at 09:06 AM

Joe, a guy I know told me the story third hand. You defend it like it's anti-fact! I told my version with every qualifier and yet, you've managed to inject all of the verbal diahreamente that coulda, woulda, shoulda......

Looks like this thread should get locked?

chuckie - 7-8-2017 at 09:27 AM



Howard - 7-8-2017 at 09:28 AM

Woody, the thread is Ok, it's some of the people that really need help. The problem is they don't know it and they're very unhappy people.

If they can't get along on a forum that promotes good will and learning, I wonder how screwed up their lives are on everything else? Scary thought.

JoeJustJoe - 7-8-2017 at 09:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Joe, a guy I know told me the story third hand. You defend it like it's anti-fact! I told my version with every qualifier and yet, you've managed to inject all of the verbal diahreamente that coulda, woulda, shoulda......

Looks like this thread should get locked?


Sorry Woody, maybe I took the thread a little too far.

I did take a brief look at your past postings, and you're more a jokester, than a Mexico/Baja hater.

There are actual Mexico haters who are always looking for the absolutely worst about Mexico, and some of them even make up negative stories for their anti-Mexico agenda.

I will sometimes challenge such negative Mexico bashers, and I'll take a very close look at their story, and pull it apart piece by piece, until the real facts come out.

Woody, I don't think you're a Baja hater, but what you repeated from a 3rd party, certainly seems like it came from a Baja hater, and that's what I was reacting towards.

I also noticed it was a little quiet in the main area, and I wanted to give this thread a little spark, but then one of my fans followed me here with a flame thrower.

[Edited on 7-8-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

EnsenadaDr - 7-8-2017 at 11:03 AM

Can we get a direct quote and/or source please?
Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Heard third hand that a hotel full of guests were ransacked room by room by guys with automatic weapons over the weekend. Kids seperated from their families for an hour. Apparently, the cops were nice enough to show up after the guys left.

Anyone able to confirm this?


[Edited on 7-8-2017 by EnsenadaDr]

bajaguy - 7-8-2017 at 11:17 AM

Not sure you can get a direct quote or source on "third hand information", especially on this board. Take it for what it is worth to you
Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr  
Can we get a direct quote and/or source please?
Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Heard third hand that a hotel full of guests were ransacked room by room by guys with automatic weapons over the weekend. Kids seperated from their families for an hour. Apparently, the cops were nice enough to show up after the guys left.

Anyone able to confirm this?


[Edited on 7-8-2017 by EnsenadaDr]

Alm - 7-8-2017 at 11:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Howard  
The problem is they don't know it and they're very unhappy people.

If they can't get along on a forum that promotes good will and learning,

I would believe that many people here act in a good will, it's just that they don't know how. But, "learning"?... Jeez, man... wake up...

Paco Facullo - 7-8-2017 at 11:54 AM

Sometimes I really do need a third hand...........

chuckie - 7-8-2017 at 12:03 PM

Toes

JoeJustJoe - 7-8-2017 at 12:14 PM

Hi Janene, it's nice to hear from you.

Perhaps, I should have asked a succinct straight to the point question like you did, then we wouldn't have all these hurt feelings, and now trolling postings.

EnsenadaDr: wrote: can we get a direct quote and/or source please?

It's like saying, "put up or shut up," in a neutral way.

Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr  
Can we get a direct quote and/or source please?
Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Heard third hand that a hotel full of guests were ransacked room by room by guys with automatic weapons over the weekend. Kids seperated from their families for an hour. Apparently, the cops were nice enough to show up after the guys left.

Anyone able to confirm this?