BajaNomad - Photobucket issues

and even easier using the windows paint resize option on my pc windows 10

You are ruining the quality of your photos just to post them here.

You can just type img=800x when linking a photo from a hosted site to fit here.

Some ppl also post pics on several different sites. You don't want to post lower quality photos on other sites or have to upload multiple times.

[Edited on 8-19-2018 by JZ]

Skipjack Joe - 8-19-2018 at 11:39 AM

and even easier using the windows paint resize option on my pc windows 10

typing img=800x also degrades the image. Any resizing degrades an image and needs to be resharpened after the resize to regain some of it's original quality. For nomads it's best to either show a linked image that has been modified for web viewership or it should be resized to <= 800 pixels and resharpened prior to uploading to nomads, otherwise nomads will degrade it during the reduction process.

But my question was with regarding to Photobucket and not nomads. I don't know why you turned it in that direction David.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

[Edited on 8-19-2018 by Skipjack Joe]

Skipjack Joe - 8-19-2018 at 01:18 PM

Never mind David, I figured it out I think. Thanks anyway.

JZ - 8-19-2018 at 02:39 PM

Are you seriously going to challenge me on this? You can't even get Photobucket to work, lol.

What he is doing is changing the properties of the image file itself. Permanently. So if he wants to use it for any other purpose the quality is lost. That's why you host somewhere instead of uploading directly. This was the point of the comment you quoted.

What I typed just changes how it gets displayed on this site. No changes to the file. And no "resharping" required, whatever that means.

[Edited on 8-19-2018 by JZ]

Skipjack Joe - 8-19-2018 at 05:04 PM

Oh, I can make photobucket "work", whatever that means. I abandoned photobucket years ago due to it's limitations. I was hoping to download my originals without searching for them in my storage. Sorry that ruffled your feathers.

I would suggest that all the original raw files be backed up on personal storage devices rather than rely solely on any internet servers.

What I typed just changes how it gets displayed on this site. No changes to the file. And no "resharping" required, whatever that means.

It seems that you're not very open for learning but I will try anyway. Don't take this as a "challenge" or we don't get anywhere.

typing img=800x does not change your image on your server as you state. But it compresses and resizes that image by HTML on the server being displayed, Nomads. So the presented image is of a lower quality than what you had on your server. The image was changed during the posting process. You may as well upload your image to nomads because it's doing the same thing.

With regards to web presentation:

Virtually every modern day camera, including cell phones, generate images that are far too large to be displayed in their raw form (my D810 - 36MP, my iPhone 8 - 12MP). Reducing an image, or increasing it for that matter, degenerates the image. Any processing of an image should include sharpening. And sharpening should be done as a last step after the final image size has been achieved for the site being viewed. This is true for both printing and web presentation. If you sharpen and then resize it you have destroyed your work.

This is discussed in many videos on utube. If you're really into quality work you want to do 2 pass sharpening. You can do this manually via photoshop or an app that sits on top of photoshop. I like to use Tony Kuyper's web sharpening tool, which used to be free but is now packaged with a host of other functionality. Here is a good explanation of web sharpening basics and also how to get the finest results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffzSzLTl-h0

One last thing. The original file should never be sharpened. A copy of the original file should be sharpened. One copy for each size. That's because sharpening itself degrades an images by modifying the pixels along the edges of shapes and once they're modified they can't be recovered.

Hope this helps.

BajaNomad - 8-19-2018 at 05:07 PM

fwiw... I still plan to migrate platforms at some point. The trickiest part of the "change" will be attached images from the current database to be connected with the right posts they were originally posted with/to/etc.

I will, of course, work to make it happen... but that will likely be the trickiest part overall.... at least from the current vantage point, looking ahead.

fyi

JZ - 8-19-2018 at 06:10 PM

I would suggest that all the original raw files be backed up on personal storage devices rather than rely solely on any internet servers.

You should do both - cloud and physical. If you aren't using a cloud backup as well, that's just crazy dumb. Google Photos is the best by far. AI image / facial recognition is crazy good. Image sharing is awesome.

typing img=800x does not change your image on your server as you state. But it compresses and resizes that image by HTML on the server being displayed, Nomads. So the presented image is of a lower quality than what you had on your server. The image was changed during the posting process. You may as well upload your image to nomads because it's doing the same thing.

I never said it "changed the original on the server," you just made that up. I have worked in networking for 20 years as an engineer, product manager, and marketing. Do you want to challenge me on that as well?

The point is, upload the orginal. If you need to reduce the pixel count for sites like BN's you do it with img=800x. Not by resizing the original for god's sake. If you don't get that point you need to take yourself out of this conversation right now.

This is discussed in many videos on utube. If you're really into quality work you want to do 2 pass sharpening. You can do this manually via photoshop or an app that sits on top of photoshop. I like to use Tony Kuyper's web sharpening tool, which used to be free but is now packaged with a host of other functionality. Here is a good explanation of web sharpening basics and also how to get the finest results.

If you are using Photoshop to edit photos (stop saying "sharpening," that's retarded), you don't know much about photo editing. Photoshop does things in vectors and is best for graphics work and very advanced image manipulation. LightRoom is the premier app for the type of photo editing we are talking about here. That's another big miss on your part.

One last thing. The original file should never be sharpened. A copy of the original file should be sharpened. One copy for each size. That's because sharpening itself degrades an images by modifying the pixels along the edges of shapes and once they're modified they can't be recovered.

Lightroom doesn't modify the original like Photoshop does. It's non-destructive and you don't need to make a copy of the original. It saves instructions for how the file is to be adjusted when it is exported. Again, if you aren't using Lightroom you are using the wrong app.

Hope this helps.

You couldn't figure out how to make Photobucket work. Why you were using it to backup files is baffling.

Then you got in the middle of a side discussion and tried to call someone out, but made a terrible blunder.

And now you typed a novel trying to recover, making up stuff that wasn't even asserted and trying to impress with your knowledge, which has now been exposed.

Keep going if you want more of it.

SFandH - 8-19-2018 at 06:17 PM

A Guide to Image Sharpening:

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/image-sharpening...

Skipjack Joe - 8-19-2018 at 06:49 PM

Now you're starting to get on my nerves mister. You are rude and you continuously misquote me.

The point is, upload the orginal. If you need to reduce the pixel count for sites like BN's you do it with img=800x. Not by resizing the original for god's sake. If you don't get that point you need to take yourself out of this conversation right now.

I REPEAT FOR THE 3RD TIME!!!!!

Nobody has ever stated that img=800px reduces the image on your server!!!!! Can't you get that through your thick head?

img=800px is reducing the image that is posted from your server to the host server. You are not displaying your original file. How much simpler can this be explained to you?

Oh really.

Can you read the top menu from this image?

What does it say?

Can you spell that out?

Did you even bother to watch the video I posted about resizing and sharpening for the web.

Screen Shot 2018-08-19 at 6.37.38 PM.jpg - 193kB

Screen Shot 2018-08-19 at 6.37.38 PM.jpg - 193kB

Skipjack Joe - 8-19-2018 at 06:55 PM

Mister JZ.

Can you please read this screenshot and tell me what's going on.

DO YOU SEE THE WORD SHARPEN ANYWHERE!!!

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Screen Shot 2018-08-19 at 6.33.52 PM.jpg - 181kB

BajaMama - 8-20-2018 at 05:38 AM

every pic I post comes from my PC, just curios why peeps need a hosting company

Please share how you do that - I don't want to use photo bucket; admittedly I am too lazy-it is too much trouble just to post a pic.

David K - 8-20-2018 at 07:02 AM

I don't think there is anything easier than Postimage, that does the job of sizing the image to fit Internet forums... and it is free:
https://postimages.org/
Just click the first drop-down menu and select 800x600 and then select the photo in "Choose image"
You get a list of links for where you want your photo to go.
The third from the bottom is called Hotlinks for forums. Click the button on the right of that link and it is saved to your mouse to paste here:

A verticle and horizontal photo from last week.

[Edited on 8-20-2018 by David K]

norte - 8-20-2018 at 01:50 PM

The easiest way is to post without any resizing or hosting, like most sites do nowadays. if and when that ever happens here will be a plus.

blackwolfmt - 8-20-2018 at 03:24 PM

How can it be easier than getting the pic from my pc folder and posting it DK

blackwolfmt - 8-20-2018 at 03:48 PM

Because not everyone's pics are under 250 kbs or under 800 pixels wide. Yours is 123 kb but 980 wide, so the Nomad frame is stretched wide, but not off the screen.

DK you just dont give up, its like DK way everything else is wrong :no:

blackwolfmt - 8-20-2018 at 04:12 PM

It isn't anything to do with me, this is Doug's forum and he has asked many times that photos fit the forum. I am only one person offering ways to achieve that as you obviously either don't know how or don't care to help out Doug. That's all. So, that cartoon is you peeing on the Nomad rules, is it?

HAHA u funny ive been posting pics for almost 5 yrs nobody has ever told me I was in the wrong,, and the peeing is Barts opinion of you I guess Nothing to do with Doug and his BN site

Skipjack Joe - 8-20-2018 at 04:20 PM

Because not everyone's pics are under 250 kbs or under 800 pixels wide. Yours is 123 kb but 980 wide, so the Nomad frame is stretched wide, but not off the screen.

That's not right.

The image he uploaded is 980px wide but the one displayed is 800px wide. You can verify that by comparing it's width to your own 800px image. When you upload an image to nomads it is converted to 800px if it exceeds 800px.

If you click on the picture of the goats you will see the original 980px wide image that was uploaded in an overlay.

If you click back and forth between the 980px image and the 800px and look carefully you will see that the 800 is slightly blurrier. That's due to the resizing that took place. That's what I was referring to when I said it's best to upload an 800px or less image and not have it resized.

Doug - correct me if I'm wrong. I think all of this has been previously noted in the gallery forum.

[Edited on 8-20-2018 by Skipjack Joe]

willardguy - 8-20-2018 at 04:32 PM

HAHA u funny ive been posting pics for almost 5 yrs nobody has ever told me I was in the wrong,, and the peeing is Barts opinion of you I guess Nothing to do with Doug and his BN site

...you are wrong..........thats Calvin!

blackwolfmt - 8-20-2018 at 04:39 PM

I stand corrected,,thanks willardguy,, Sorry DK its Calvin peeing on your opinions not all but most

BajaNomad - 8-20-2018 at 04:50 PM

Because not everyone's pics are under 250 kbs or under 800 pixels wide. Yours is 123 kb but 980 wide, so the Nomad frame is stretched wide, but not off the screen.

Correct. Max image height and width are set to 1600 pixels to upload.

[Edited on 8-20-2018 by BajaNomad]

bajabuddha - 8-20-2018 at 05:00 PM

GUUD PUPPY, GUUUUUDDDD !!!!

norte - 8-20-2018 at 05:03 PM

When are you guys going to learn. David is never wrong. Truth isn't truth!

blackwolfmt - 8-20-2018 at 07:53 PM

why do you suppose DK deleted his last post where he said a bunch of blah blah then asked where the best marg in baja was :?:

SO Lame DK I suppose you do that all the time to confuse us

David K - 8-21-2018 at 08:17 AM

No, Mr. BlackWolfMt, you read it already and I often clean up a thread where my reply serves no more purpose. You guys don't like so much happy sun posts, so I removed them, that's all. Trying to get along but you guys are a tough crowd to please! :light:

blackwolfmt - 8-21-2018 at 08:43 AM

No, Mr. BlackWolfMt, you read it already and I often clean up a thread where my reply serves no more purpose. You guys don't like so much happy sun posts, so I removed them, that's all. Trying to get along but you guys are a tough crowd to please! :light:

Ok I guess that's a good excuse, So lets talk climate change :lol:

Just KIDDING Have a nice day and get rested up

David K - 8-21-2018 at 08:57 AM

Thanks, you have a nice day, too!

Skipjack Joe - 8-21-2018 at 07:47 PM