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Canada O Canada

TMW - 8-31-2018 at 11:10 AM

In today's paper under the Heloise column a lady said her daughter flew into Canada with her company group for business and upon arriving her daughter was informed that she could not enter the country for 10 years following a DWI. She was put on a plane home.

Could this be true. What other traffic offenses would be passed on to the passport people, speeding tickets, car wrecks, parking tickets. Will Mexico be next to enforce such rules.

SFandH - 8-31-2018 at 11:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Could this be true. What other traffic offenses would be passed on to the passport people, speeding tickets, car wrecks, parking tickets. Will Mexico be next to enforce such rules.

Oh man, ALL the databases are being combined and the info will be available to all authorities, everywhere. Data storage capacity, processing power, artificial intelligence software to perform the data sorting task, and the bandwidth to deliver the data are all there now. Very Orwellian. Privacy is gone.

DaliDali - 8-31-2018 at 11:37 AM

I have the Canadian satellite provider Shaw, here where I live full time in Baja.

There is a whole series devoted to "Border Wars" and it's all about the Canadian border immigration system at the border.

Filmed like a "reality" show where it's live and on film, the interactions between CA custom agents and the border crossers.

Those CA border agents are very relentless in the stopping of potential smugglers and people who are attempting to pull a fast one with no visa to do so legally.
As it should be. Sovereign is sovereign after all.

The excuses some people use is hilarious!!

AKgringo - 8-31-2018 at 12:01 PM

Even misdemeanor DWI arrests are treated as a felony in Canada, and I don't know what other offenses are considered that way. You are deemed 'inadmissible' for five years after the offense and any sentence (including probation) that was ordered.

After the five years, you may apply for a certificate of 'rehabilitation', which will take time and money well before you get to the border. After ten years with no other offenses, you may be deemed rehabilitated and allowed to enter the country. I depends on the border agent!

They have the option of granting a one time waiver (for a fee) of the statute for some one who shows up unaware of their inadmissibility, but again, it depends on the agent and probably what else they see in the background check.

If a person who has been denied entry, or has been granted the waiver shows up at any other entry point before getting the 'rehabilitation certificate', they can be arrested on the spot!

Paco Facullo - 8-31-2018 at 12:15 PM

Welcome to the dystopian future we all knew was coming...

It's here now...

mtgoat666 - 8-31-2018 at 02:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

In today's paper under the Heloise column a lady said her daughter flew into Canada with her company group for business and upon arriving her daughter was informed that she could not enter the country for 10 years following a DWI. She was put on a plane home.

Could this be true. What other traffic offenses would be passed on to the passport people, speeding tickets, car wrecks, parking tickets. Will Mexico be next to enforce such rules.

Yes, canada will not let in people with felonies and violent misdemeanors. Dui is a bad crime, dont blame canada for such a policy. Good reminder to all you nomads: dont drink and drive.

Fyi, usa also refuses entry to a long list of criminal convictions.

A reminder to all: dont be criminal!

P.s. you seem to equate dui with parking tickets. In my book dui is about same as attempted murder.

[Edited on 8-31-2018 by mtgoat666]

John Harper - 8-31-2018 at 02:31 PM

Time to update her resume, she's not going to be at that company much longer.

John

chippy - 8-31-2018 at 03:36 PM

Hey murica has been doing the same thing to Canadians for a long time. I have friends that have to fly over murica for things as lame as minor pot arrests.

Alm - 9-1-2018 at 12:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Could this be true. What other traffic offenses would be passed on to the passport people, speeding tickets, car wrecks, parking tickets.

Yes, it's true. Every country has different laws, people are not always aware. Those other traffic offenses are not on the list.

That show - Border Security - is a real thing, quite interesting to watch. They stopped making it few years ago, still very relevant today. DUI is one of the most common issues. Another one is the misinterpreted rule of "legal medicinal marijuana" - legal to use, illegal to take across the border, even with prescriptions. Trying to conceal in candies and cookies usually makes it worse.

US CBP may also deny entry to people with recent offenses that are considered felonies in the US code. Databases are shared, doesn't matter if you arrive by air or by land, or entering the US from Canada or Mexico. Regardless of criminal offenses, US have been keeping tabs on movements of their nationals much better than Canada, and were pressuring Canada for years to do the same. Since the last agreement you can't leave the US to CAN or CAN to US without the govt of your country of origin knowing about it.

[Edited on 9-1-2018 by Alm]

motoged - 9-1-2018 at 12:37 PM

That TV Border Security program also surfaces a surprising number of US citizens who don't know what the legalities are re: bringing firearms and ammunition into Canada....

That and PD Live are lessons in what to do and not do ...and understanding tactics used. :light:

DaliDali - 9-1-2018 at 01:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

That TV Border Security program also surfaces a surprising number of US citizens who don't know what the legalities are re: bringing firearms and ammunition into Canada....

That and PD Live are lessons in what to do and not do ...and understanding tactics used. :light:

A while back, I asked the CA immigration directly, about a pass through Canada, on to Alaska, bucket list adventure trip, that would include backcountry forays.

I had asked about bringing in a rifle for personal protection in Alaska.

I don't recall their exact response......but it was 99% NO and 1% maybe.

[Edited on 9-1-2018 by DaliDali]

AKgringo - 9-1-2018 at 01:23 PM

I have traveled through Canada twice with firearms, and there is no problem with standard rifles and shotguns, but any handguns or sawed off rifles and shotguns are illegal! Even semi-auto carbines such as my Ruger mini-14 and an SKS were allowed!

At the inspection station, I handed them a list of the make, caliber and serial number and paid a small import fee, which I understand is per visit, not per firearm.

TMW - 9-1-2018 at 01:48 PM

Is the DWI/DUI ruling that Canada uses from a US court verdict or from the DMV. When you get a DUI in the US there is a court ruling which is normally handled by a lawyer and a DMV ruling which may or may not be handled by a lawyer, but they are separate.

tobianogreg - 9-1-2018 at 02:24 PM

Canucks can’t even admit to past pot use entering the US, even tho it’s legal in WA state and about to be legalized in CA.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pot-border-banned-waiver-1....

mtgoat666 - 9-1-2018 at 03:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Is the DWI/DUI ruling that Canada uses from a US court verdict or from the DMV. When you get a DUI in the US there is a court ruling which is normally handled by a lawyer and a DMV ruling which may or may not be handled by a lawyer, but they are separate.

You wouldn’t have these questions if you had not been too cheap to take an Uber!
Now you know that Uber is cheaper than dealing with a DUI :lol:

DaliDali - 9-1-2018 at 03:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

I have traveled through Canada twice with firearms, and there is no problem with standard rifles and shotguns, but any handguns or sawed off rifles and shotguns are illegal! Even semi-auto carbines such as my Ruger mini-14 and an SKS were allowed!

At the inspection station, I handed them a list of the make, caliber and serial number and paid a small import fee, which I understand is per visit, not per firearm.

Good deal and thank you for clearing this up.
It was quite a while back that I asked them about it and it may have been a "firearm" Q, rather than a rifle.

JoeJustJoe - 9-1-2018 at 03:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

You sound very very worried, when did you get your DUI?

I must admit, Canada, is very anal when it comes to DUI's from Americans.

This is a country that is about a month away from making recreational marijuana legal in about a month, and has me following a lot of Canadian stocks, that have been flying high the last couple of days.

I don't know for sure, but I think Canada gets the arrest records, from the same place US Customs, does, and that would be a federal data base, and therefore, they could go back more than 10 years.

Canadians don't care if it's a felony or minor misdemeanor, DUI, you received many years back, they want to keep you out, and it's causing lots of American families problems about these unknown DUI's of family members.

The good news is that if you come clean, and admit you have a DUI, before traveling to Canada, you could fill out a " Temporary Resident Permit (TRP), or a more permanent solution, a criminal rehabilitation application, where you ask them to forgive your DUI, provided something like five years has passed, and you have kept off the sauce, or have not been caught again.

Anyway, that's what I last heard a few years ago, maybe it changed since then.

John Harper - 9-1-2018 at 07:21 PM

At least the Canadians don't steal your children, incarcerate them, and turn them into orphans and wards of the government. Only in America.

John

[Edited on 9-2-2018 by John Harper]

windgrrl - 9-1-2018 at 08:17 PM

Actually, we did. We took kids from their families, isolated them residential schools and ruined their futures.

Alm - 9-2-2018 at 12:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by tobianogreg

Canucks can’t even admit to past pot use entering the US, even tho it’s legal in WA state and about to be legalized in CA.

You are not allowed to take pot across the border regardless of your citizenship. US CBP applies same laws to both "canucks" and "muricans". Try and bring marijuana from Canada to the US, declare it at the border and see what happens.

It's not a good idea to voluntarily admit the past use, either, - unless you had past marijuana arrests, in which case you have no choice but to say Yes, if they ask. Possession of marijuana is a federal offense in the US. Some states may legalize it, but the border is governed by federal laws.

If you don't believe, there is an easy way to check: while waiting in the border line to enter the US, have a quick smoke, make sure there is a smell in your car, and then tell CBP that you are a pot user, but it's "legal in WA and about to be legalized in CA".

[Edited on 9-2-2018 by Alm]

D.U.I.

J.P. - 9-2-2018 at 10:09 AM

The Broker kept trying to send me to Canada when I had my 18 wheel truck. Canada found a D. W. I. on my record. and Basically said they would look the other way if I would send them 200dls. that didn't interest me because I was looking for a excuse not to go. Then they found out my truck was too long for the highways and wouldn't let it in ohhhhhh happy day. :lol:

AKgringo - 9-2-2018 at 11:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by J.P.

The Broker kept trying to send me to Canada when I had my 18 wheel truck. Canada found a D. W. I. on my record. and Basically said they would look the other way if I would send them 200dls. that didn't interest me because I was looking for a excuse not to go. Then they found out my truck was too long for the highways and wouldn't let it in ohhhhhh happy day. :lol:

I have driven the roads between AK and WA eight times, and look forward to my next trip in a month or so....if they let me in this time.

John Harper - 9-2-2018 at 01:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by windgrrl

Actually, we did. We took kids from their families, isolated them residential schools and ruined their futures.

Yes, of course. The Native American schools. Another of both our countries finest hours.

John

chuckie - 9-3-2018 at 01:50 PM

OR enhanced their futures,as the case may be, eh?

motoged - 9-3-2018 at 02:43 PM

And how would that be, Chuckie?

How many indigenous folks do you know....and what would they say about the effects of such racist assimilation policies?

chuckie - 9-3-2018 at 03:04 PM

Wel',Edo, only a fool , like you would make a definitive statement that they have ALL been ruined....HAVE you evaluated all of them? Any of them? Or this just more f your holier than thou clap trap?...EH?

bajagrouper - 9-3-2018 at 03:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

At Cancun on the mainland many reports of Canadians and Americans not being allowed to enter Mexico and being sent home immediately for crimes up to 10 years old ....Seems Mexico is now linked to the Interpol Data Base........

motoged - 9-3-2018 at 03:15 PM

Chuckie,
I thought you were smarter than that... :rolleyes:

chuckie - 9-3-2018 at 03:38 PM

I don't have to be smarter than (What?) just smarter than you,and that's not tough...

motoged - 9-3-2018 at 03:47 PM

Your compassion and sensitivity, as usual, makes you stand out in a crowd... :lol:

chuckie - 9-3-2018 at 03:51 PM

As does your inability to separate fact from opinion (YOURS)

motoged - 9-3-2018 at 06:01 PM

uuhhhh, what facts am I missing ?

daveB - 9-3-2018 at 08:46 PM

Canadian rules at the border line basically emulate the American rules. Americans who admit to smoking weed are not harassed as long as they left their supply at home, although Canadians, if asked about its use, and answer affirmative, are suddenly subjected to lifetime ban to enter that country. I'm not sure how many have been asked, but we've heard from some in the news reports.
The border shows on Shaw are not always Canadian content, there are also American border problems filmed as well as Australian. I perceive them as done live, at actual border locations. It looks real because it is, at times faces are blurred on innocents. Passports became a popular item once the US required them, this at a time when most European countries had open border policies. The big difference for Americans traveling to Canada is the ban on hand guns. This ban exists for Canadian resident within Canada as well, and goes back many, many decades. One can circumvent this by joining a gun club, but that only allows you to take it to and then straight home, from the club; or else be a member of a police force, or other such body, and all are registered.

Injured Injuns ?

MrBillM - 9-3-2018 at 09:06 PM

The BEST thing that ever happened to this continent's aborigines was being discovered by the Europeans.

It was the beginning of centuries of progress.

Resulting in heap big (casino) Wampum.

motoged - 9-3-2018 at 10:06 PM

Mr Bile,
You and Chuckie should get a room and get your digs in....as white male privilege gasps its last few breaths...

DaliDali - 9-4-2018 at 04:46 AM

The takeaway must be , cross the border, any border for that matter, according to the legal requirements of the country being entered.

Yes it is that easy.

chuckie - 9-4-2018 at 04:55 AM

Yes,It is.....Good post

KNOW Before you GO ........................

MrBillM - 9-4-2018 at 08:43 AM

And don't whine NO MO !

With all of the information available, ignorance is (truly) no excuse.

As to that "White Privilege" nonsense which one invariably hears from the whiners ....................... fortunately, the environment which built a great society (thanks to European discovery) will still be doing well when I've had MY last gasp.

Alm - 9-4-2018 at 10:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper

Good to know.

Though, this is different from sharing databases on much bigger scale btw Canada and the US, including not only all minor criminal offenses but pretty much any criminal records that either country might have or "had" in the past on you. 11 year old offense will still be there unless you've applied to expunge the record. A lawyer once told me that even after deleting the actual record, there still remains a record that there "was" a record, without any details. This all gives border agents more discretionary power.

Your movements across the Can/Us border are thoroughly tracked, US knows when their nationals leave and return, and so does Canada. When US national leaves by air - no matter where - the airlines send to CBP his name, date etc with the list of passengers called "passenger manifest". The sign of times, an inevitable thing.

[Edited on 9-4-2018 by Alm]

JoeJustJoe - 9-4-2018 at 12:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper

Whoever is reporting Canadians and Americans, not being allowed to enter Mexico, for crimes up to 10 years old, are probably dangerous criminals, because what they are saying is very misleading. ( nothing against Bajagrouper, it's the ones who are making these misleading reports)

I would say compared to Canada's and the USA's dated and extreme custom border polices, Mexico has the most reasonable border crossing polices.

What the Mexico embassy reports on their entry requirements is that they may refuse entry to an applicant subject to a criminal process or has been convicted of a serious crime, and they list examples of some of the serious crimes, like murder, terrorism, exploitation of minors, kidnapping, and many more serious crime examples, but nothing like a simple DUI, as in Canada, or like in the US, where you could face a lifetime ban for admitting you once smoke marijuana, which is totality ridiculous, especially with the changing marijuana laws in all three countries.

DaliDali - 9-4-2018 at 01:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper

I would say compared to Canada's and the USA's dated and extreme custom border polices, Mexico has the most reasonable border crossing polices.

It is not unreasonable for a sovereign country, to ask that any crosser follow the established regulations for entry.

Because Mexico often does not enforce this regulation, does not negate the need to obtain that permission, prior to entry.

JoeJustJoe - 9-4-2018 at 02:20 PM

DaliDali, do you ever stand up to unfairness, or do you always go along with the status quo, no matter how unfair, outdated or ridiculous a law, rule, or policy is?

Your President, who you seem to love so much, is currently trying to change NAFTA to more favorable terms for the US, and if not, just dump it and ruin the economies of all three countries.

So why can't the rest of us, complain against such outdated and asinine laws that are still on the books in Canada and the US in regards to border crossings?

In Canada, they want to block US citizens who in the past were convicted of a misdemeanor DUI, which doesn't have a time frame, so they could actually keep you out of Canada, if you show up at the border, and they find out you have a DUI conviction as an young adult, 10 years, 20, years, and maybe even 40 years ago!

Not to be outdone by sheer stupidity, are the jack booted thugs, better known as US Custom officers, who sometimes ask Canadians, do you smoke marijuana, or have you ever smoked marijuana?

If the answer, if yes, the jack booted thugs in the US want to bar you for life from crossing into the US, even in US states where Marijuana is legal like Washington, and in Canada where recreational marijuana, will be totality legal in a few days.

This is because the US Attorney General, Jeff Session, who is so out of touch, is still pushing the Federal law, that makes marijuana illegal and he still wants to crack down. ( thank God, to a US Senator, who complained to Trump, and made Sessions, back down a little bit)

The current Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, has admitted to smoking marijuana in the past, when he becomes a private citizen, under US law, he could be barred from entering the US!

I think while the US and Canada, are in negotiations over NAFTA, they should also update their border crossing laws to at least be as fair as Mexico's laws.

bajaguy - 9-4-2018 at 02:45 PM

"................The current Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, has admitted to smoking marijuana in the past, when he becomes a private citizen, under US law, he could be barred from entering the US!........."

GREAT IDEA!!!!

DaliDali - 9-4-2018 at 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

DaliDali, do you ever stand up to unfairness, or do you always go along with the status quo, no matter how unfair, outdated or ridiculous a law, rule, or policy is?

Mexico's laws.

Mexico is fair...requires a passport and a form of visa to enter.
Canada is fair....requires a passport and a form of visa to enter
USA is fair.....requires a passport and a form of visa to enter.
Visa waiver countries want a passport.

A "form" of visa can be anything from a stamp on the passport dictating the time of stay, to a full on Consulate approved visa.

All three have long established regulations for means of entry into their countries......often modified to be more strict or more lax, as the times dictate.

Not outdated whatsoever to ask border crossers to obtain the proper documents to pass on freely.
'Mexico can take away freedom of movement and the loss of assets for disregarding their immigration regulations.

As can Canada and the USA.

[Edited on 9-4-2018 by DaliDali]

motoged - 9-4-2018 at 03:12 PM

Some of you guys are nuts....

chuckie - 9-4-2018 at 03:20 PM

AND what about poutains? Talk about over priced!

bajaguy - 9-4-2018 at 04:13 PM

Don't forget Timmy's.......

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

AND what about poutains? Talk about over priced!

mtgoat666 - 9-4-2018 at 04:39 PM

Back in the good old days the highlights of trips to BC canada were kokanee beer, hard ciders and sausage rolls. Could live for weeks on that diet.

JoeJustJoe - 9-4-2018 at 05:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali

All three have long established regulations for means of entry into their countries......often modified to be more strict or more lax, as the times dictate.

Not outdated whatsoever to ask border crossers to obtain the proper documents to pass on freely.
'Mexico can take away freedom of movement and the loss of assets for disregarding their immigration regulations.

As can Canada and the USA.

Look at how DaliDali, skips over the old archaic ridiculous drug polices the US has at the US/Canadian border, and not to mention the subject of this thread, crossing into Canada with a DUI.

DaliDali, offers no practical advice to Americans or Canadians wanting to cross into each others borders, even if they had a past with either alcohol( DUI) or marijuana use.

My advice to Canadians crossing over to the US with an old or current background of marijuana use, is watch what you say, because if you admit to marijuana use, or you are caught lying, you'll face a lifetime ban from the USA.

Maybe the best option, is just refuse to answer their questions of marijuana use. You will be sent back to Canada, but other than that, there will be no repercussions, and you can always try to cross again, and maybe get a US custom agent, who isn't wearing jack boots, and won't be asking you stupid questions about marijuana use.
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NEWS Home » Marijuana News Canadians Who Smoke Weed Could Be Banned From Entering US

Federal prohibition in the United States is just that: federal. So why is it that Canadians who smoke weed could be banned from entering US?

Despite marijuana’s surge in popularity, there are still serious consequences to getting high. Today, Canadians who smoke weed could be banned from entering US. If a border patrol agent asks you if you smoke weed, they can bar you from entering the country.

Once You’re Banned, You’re Banned Forever
This isn’t a temporary ban, either.

Once a Canadian is denied entrance to the U.S. it goes on their permanent record. As Len Saunders, an American lawyer focused on this issue, explained at the Senate Hearing Committee, “They’re basically turned around, told to go back to Canada, and told they are inadmissible for life. This is a lifetime ban.”

https://hightimes.com/news/canadians-smoke-weed-banned-enter...

DaliDali - 9-4-2018 at 06:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali

DaliDali, offers no practical advice to Americans or Canadians wanting to cross into each others borders, even if they had a past with either alcohol( DUI) or marijuana use.

Do it all the right way, as required by the country you want to enter, is about as basic advise as there is.

Fatboy - 9-11-2018 at 08:19 PM

Some interesting comments on this thread.

The original post was regarding a DUI and it is most certainly true but some of the other responses bring up a complete host of related discussions.

To MTGOAT666 your reply in one post is "Don't be a criminal" sounds reasonable on the surface but is not. Been a criminal when younger but have corrected yours ways? Well now you will be continued to be affected for years and even decades.

Or what about the one off felonies by otherwise law abiding folks, no mercy for them?

To MrBillM comes another great, but truly ignorant, response "Ignorance is (truly) no excuse". Again another reply that sounds good at first but is (truly) not.

While this is the current standard in our jurisprudence, it is being questioned more often and really needs to be changed. Some points to consider are...

First this is a very old concept and many things in the centuries since this became the standard have changed. The most important change has been the sheer numbers of laws and how complex they are.

Hence the reason for lengthy schooling for lawyers and the experience required in practicing the law in order to be an effective judge.

Even lawyers and judges will complete lengthy researches into the law on many cases and they are the experts!

Even the supreme court has ruled that that cops are allowed to be ignorant of the law under some cases.

Certain laws even allow ignorance as a excuse.

Ever share an internet password with anyone, such as allowing your wife or husband, parent or child, or any other person close to you? Many websites forbid it and if you do share it with anyone you have broken a law and can be held criminally liable for doing so.

Now, Alm said something about Recent offenses that are considered felonies might cause problems which also hints at another aspect of crossing borders and the law.

If you are charged, but not convicted with a felony, Canada will not allow you in.

Even after the case is resolved it may take many months before it is cleared up in the database if you are not guilty or the case is dismissed.

There is a US Federal Database that has a list of people that have been CHARGED with a felony. So just being charged puts up flags for a law enforcement most everywhere which can have a huge impact on your travels and not only for border crossings but for traveling within the USA.

So my advice is this for someone crossing for the first time, or the first time crossing since anything criminal has happened, try to do as much research as possible to see if it may affect your travels.

Share a Password - Go to Jail ?

MrBillM - 9-11-2018 at 09:01 PM

BullShit ? Any references ?

Be that as it may ...........................

Although it's not a place that I've ever thought to visit, Canuckia could run MY ID anytime and come up with ZIP.

Those with a criminal past (including drunken drivers) should simply accept the possibility that said past will impact their future.

"Don't do the crime and then whine".

JoeJustJoe - 9-12-2018 at 07:17 AM

Lots of half-truths in Fatboy's post.

Mr BillM, is pretty accurate when he says, "ignorance is (truly) no excuse," if you break the law.

Now if you're a rogue cop, you might get away with being ignorant of the law if you profile a dark-skin motorist(DWB) or driving while being black, and later kill him, but as far as I know that's only for rogue cops, with the Supreme Court, backing you up. ( see HEIEN v. NORTH CAROLINA)

The password sharing is another half-truth, that's is mostly fiction, and in practice, would not result in your arrest for sharing passwords.

There is some rumor and articles going around, mentioning "Netflix" and saying you could get arrested and convicted for sharing your "Netflix" account. However, the court case involved an ex-employee, sharing or hacking a password, of another company he used to work at for some type of personal gain, and the court ruled password sharing was a violation of the CFAA.

This ruling has nothing to do with Netflix, Facebook, or even "Baja Nomad" if you voluntarily share an account, although I guess you can be banned by these companies, if they wanted to ban you.

I also don't think people go to law school for years, just so they keep up with all the sheer number of changing laws. In law school, the students mostly study old precedents so they learn how to think as lawyers.

I do agree with Fatboy, when he disagrees with the Goat, and Mr Bill, who seem to think, you should suffer for life, if you break a law, like having a DUI on your record years ago, and now you find yourself at the Canada being denied entry.

Where is Fatboy's outrage, against DaliDali's simplistic augment, who seems to just say, follow the law, no matter how old, wrong, or stupid the law is? ( DD post offers no help, when there is actual help available, to get around these road blocks)

I don't think you should suffer from life, over an DUI, and I think, laws should be changed when they are ridiculous, like the Canadian DUI, law, or the US old marijuana Federal laws.

[Edited on 9-12-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

motoged - 9-12-2018 at 09:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Back in the good old days the highlights of trips to BC canada were kokanee beer, hard ciders and sausage rolls. Could live for weeks on that diet.

What? No mention of Nanaimo Bars?? C'mon back up again sometime....BC is a wonderful place to explore....ocean, mountains, and desert.

I went for a moto ride yesterday to a favourite place (Wallachin) just to sit in the middle of a patch of dunes....laid back in the warm sand watching the clouds do their thing....felt like I could be in Baja with the vibe.... :cool:

daveB - 9-12-2018 at 08:09 PM

Canada has no visa requirement for either the US resident and recently dropped the very short term that a visa had been needed by a Mexican at the Canadian border/entrance point. No visa is required by for the Mexican traveler to enter Canada. Mexico does not need a visa for US citizens or for Canadian citizens. The Mexican FMM is a tourist pass that requires nothing except to fill it out at the border, and there is no need to visit or contact a consulate, they are provided when getting aboard a Mexico-bound aircraft or at the border entry points. Many people do not even pay for it since it is a rarity that anyone is ever asked for it. Nothing like even that, is need at Canadian borders for the two nationalities mentioned. I don't know how American borders treat a Mexican traveler.

mtgoat666 - 9-12-2018 at 09:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by daveB

I don't know how American borders treat a Mexican traveler.

Trump admin has built concentration camps, Mexicans are thrown in detention, parents are separated from children, children locked in prison, cared for by lowest-bid govt contractors,... all in all, not a pretty picture :no:

John Harper - 9-13-2018 at 09:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by daveB

I don't know how American borders treat a Mexican traveler.

Yes, more hypocrisy from the Jesus Party.

John

SFandH - 9-14-2018 at 09:36 AM

Canadians face a lifetime US travel ban if they work in the cannabis business.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/weed-stocks-...

That's Republican rednecks for ya.

white whale - 9-14-2018 at 02:16 PM

Bit of a detour but if you can pack light and have some time the Pacific Crest Trail Starts/Ends in Manning Park BC. DIY crossing.

On the OP - if that what the rule is what can you do? I expect its hit and miss depending on the agent and what quota numbers they've had to date. Seems cruel insult for the air passengers, if the agent can pick this up from the passport number and whatever other database it links to you'd think a passenger could check in advance, am I gonna get extra screening / tossed because of this?

One thing is absolutely true , the US agents- at the US/CAN land side - can be classed universally as pricks. Strap a gun on a d bag you get a bigger D BAG. Before 9/11 you were on a even footing with them , now one keyboard click they will muck up your travel for life.
Land crossing, sucking in exhaust for 8 hours I guess they need something/one to blame. The Canuck agents are decent and professional without attitude IMHO.

It would be awesome for Trudeau to burn Orange 45 and float a Bill making Russian Collusion a barrier to entry to Canada.

[Edited on 9-14-2018 by white whale]

motoged - 9-14-2018 at 02:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by white whale

Bit of a detour but if you can pack light and have some time the Pacific Crest Trail Starts/Ends in Manning Park BC. DIY crossing.

Some of the known trails are under surveillance w/ technology....known smuggler routes....backpackers w/ pounds they say

Yes....things aren't like they used to be....the new world order, I guess....

[Edited on 9-15-2018 by motoged]

white whale - 9-14-2018 at 02:57 PM

Military intelligence can be oxymarooon sometimes. Yes, always a chance, if you hear a drone see a solar panel in a tree better turn back.

Our american friends are just as P O'd at their own LEO's.
Incredibly entertaining and easy to binge on you tube.....
the first amendment Video tapers at the inland borders and public filming of government facilities - Post Office up to Military bases.
Every security guard is packing too. Turning the table on all the video cams the gov't puts up.

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white whale - 9-14-2018 at 03:05 PM

Seems that oxy m o r o n is a bad word. Maroon is PC I guess. weird rule.

Gscott - 9-16-2018 at 08:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

OK. I can't silently abide any more of this BS. If you care about facts watch this video. The whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGuSdXiFtLk

chuckie - 9-17-2018 at 04:29 AM

You will find that many people on this forum wouldn't know a fact if it bit them in the Cojones....

bajaric - 9-17-2018 at 12:14 PM

Canada? "Home of Molson"
A DUI keeps you out
the Islamist are welcome
SAD!

Fatboy - 9-17-2018 at 12:17 PM

To JoeJustJoe, there are no half truths to my comments on this thread. Ignorance of the law is ALLOWED if you are a LEO according to the courts.

Ignorance of the law is an outdated and almost impossible standard to uphold. In the past it worked because most laws are what would be considered 'moral' laws for the most part.

Now, with more laws on the books than can be counted, ignorance of the law can truly be a fair excuse.

And as additional proof that it is a challenge to keep track of all the laws look to Congress and the myriad of laws where IGNORANCE IS AN EXCUSE and is WRITTEN into the law.

Now to password sharing. Is it legal or not? The law dealing with it, CFAA, is vague with out a doubt but it does deal with passwords and trafficing them is most certainly a crime and does open one up for criminal prosecution.

Now it mainly deals with Federal computers but it also deals with interstate commerce which can be a catch all for many other acts.

At to the Netflix password sharing being a crime one will be punished for does seem highly unlikely. But then again going 1mph over a posted speed limit is also a law many of us break on a regular basis that we are highly unlikely to be prosecuted for.

Now to further muck up the waters further we have US V. Nosal that most people hold up as a hacking case under CFAA, which it may very will be, except for the dissenting opinion.

Nosal was decided on a 3 Judge panel appeal and the dissenting judge is the one that said it is really a password case and it leaves open the possibility to charge people with a crime for sharing passwords and the Judge's example was Facebook.

A final point is in Tennessee, whether you agree with them or not, it is illegal to share passwords. Most of the uncertainty is gone and it is clearer that password sharing for gain is illegal.

So to recap my original thought is that Ignorance of the Law is an outdated and almost impossibly high standards for many crimes, NOT ALL, and should not be a standard that is held to be true across the board.

To my outrage about laws, mainly biased and/or outdated laws, that punish people in situations that leaves them with 2 bad choices was not shown in that post but it is there and very real for me, and I have the misfortune to see it happen up close and personal.

Fatboy - 9-17-2018 at 12:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Gscott

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

OK. I can't silently abide any more of this BS. If you care about facts watch this video. The whole thing.

Are you a troll?

Surely you cannot be under the belief that because a government spokesperson says it (or in this case DOES NOT SAY IT), that it is true?

Does not history teach over and over again, that governments lie time and time again?

And our government is most certainly not innocent in it's treatment of people worldwide. From it's native population to country after country rights being trampled in the name of freedom(?), democracy (?), world peace (?), fair trade (?), or any other label the government wants to put on it.

Not to mention the abuses this country has heaped upon people outside of the Anglo-Saxon model of 'perfection'. Go back through US history and for many people the discrimination was not just people being mean to others such as how the Irish were treated from the mid-1800's and on, but were actual laws and policies of our government.

The Chinese, Mexicans, Japanese, African all had to endure unfair and biased laws and policies for many, many years.

It is one of the few times I agree with MTGOAT but his statement that you quoted was accurate and I would not be surprised (sadden and sickened most likely) that it is even worse then being reported.

Do you know how the ICE agents refer to Mexicans they have detained? As 'inventory', not people, not humans, not kids....INVENTORY .... disgusting.

And I watched the whole video and it did not refute anything that MTGOAT said, it only tried to justify or downplay the action of the agency.

JoeJustJoe - 9-17-2018 at 02:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Gscott

OK. I can't silently abide any more of this BS. If you care about facts watch this video. The whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGuSdXiFtLk

I watched that video in horror, how that Jack-booted thug, US custom agent, turned the tables on, Brooke Baldwin, of CNN, who started off good, questioning the US agent thug, why they were so cruel and inhuman to crying immigrant kids, who got separated from their parents.

The US Custom Agent, , started bringing up BS tales of four year old children trekking 1000 miles to the US/Mexican border a alone, and very young girls given abortion pills, because the parents know she will be raped!

If the thug, wants to go there, why not bring up the fact, some young immigrant children are being sexually molested while in those inhuman cages that the FEDs put the children in? I though Brooke Baldwin, was better than that, but she just came off like another uninformed American white woman.

It's also such pure BS, to just say, why don't the immigrants from central America, claiming asylum just come through the point of entry, and do it the right way, and they won't be separated from their children.

For one thing ICE, is sometimes still separating parents from children at the points of entry. Do you think immigrant is going to trust the Trump/Session administration, new inhuman immigration policy that sets up all kinds of road blocks for immigrants?

It's all game playing really on both sides. What the US Thugs( custom officials) are sometimes doing, they don't even let the immigrants close to the check point or port of entry, before turning they away before the immigrant set foot on US soil. And even if an immigrant is lucky enough to get interviewed, they are almost always denied entry, called liars, and sent back, where they can't apply for something like five years.

The best thing an immigrant could do, is come over on a Visa, and then claim asylum. I think probably the next best thing to do, is jump the fence, swim the river, or over stay the Visa, and then claim asylum. This way the have time to find an immigration lawyer to help them stay in the US. It doesn't matter, if you claim asylum at the port of entry, or at a later date while you are in the US with or without papers.

The separating of parents from the children, and then losing track of the children, is beyond the pale, and another reason why we need to abolish ICE.

mtgoat666 - 9-17-2018 at 09:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Fatboy

Quote: Originally posted by Gscott

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

OK. I can't silently abide any more of this BS. If you care about facts watch this video. The whole thing.

Gscot is what I call an oblivious bigot. He realizes that his grandpa was a bigot who treated Japanese as less than human, but Gscott is oblivious and can’t see his own bigotry. His grandkids will one day wonder why grandpa Gscott was on the bandwagon of GOPers treating Latin American and middle eastern immigrants as less than human, while simultaneously discriminating against the their own minority du jour.
In the words of the orange-haired bigot in chief, “sad!”

JoeJustJoe - 9-19-2018 at 09:44 AM

This is crazy and just shows how dated, wrongheaded, and silly US Customs, and immigration services are in the US.

Really, US Customs, want to ban Canadians, who invest in marijuana related stocks from coming into the US, because they see it as facilitating the proliferation of the marijuana industry.

I could almost see US Customs, in the past banning Canadians who worked in the marijuana industry when it was illegal, but this is going to far to ban investors too! ( some marijuana stocks are going through the roof, because Canada,is going legal with recreational marijuana on Oct 17)

I own a Canadian marijuana stock, and a couple of US marijuana stocks, what are US Customs going to do with me, a US citizen?

Of course, some might say, JoeJustJoe, take it easy, the Custom officials, aren't going to ask marijuana related questions and ask to see your investment Portfolio? I would say to them are you sure? They already admit they will ask those type of questions if they smell marijuana, and there is always racial profiling US Customs, can legally use in some cases.

Stuff like this makes me ashamed of my Country, the USA.
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Home Economy & Politics Canadian marijuana investors could face lifetime bans from entering U.S.

Canadians who invest in marijuana-related stocks, as well as those who use pot or work in the cannabis industry, could be banned from ever entering the U.S., according to a report Thursday.

While pot smokers and cannabis-industry workers have previously faced the prospect of lifetime travel bans, it may be news to investors that the risk extends to them as well.

read the rest here:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/canadian-marijuana-investo...

SFandH - 9-19-2018 at 12:24 PM

You're busted and going to secondary. I bet Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III has a list of everyone who has bought pot stocks and the border guards will know about it a second after you flash your RFID card at the reader.

Speaking of the Republican redneck from the Stars and Bars deep south, here he is:

"Good people don't smoke marijuana."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGx72wL4gx4

white whale - 9-24-2018 at 10:50 AM

Interesting but sad commentary even if sidetracked on a Baja forum.

I wonder if Bin Laden had as secondary motive to 9 11 was to try and help bankrupt the US with security measures that once in place would never be rescinded - you can never win rolling back security , it's always ...."this will make us less safe".
Reagan bankrupted the USSR with the arms and space race. And Putin is now trying to put the old country back together with some help from someone in Washington DC I think.

And you can bet 45 Orange, he is such a bootlicker, will never cut the Homeland security budget. You can count on the phrases - these are phenomenal people, the best, keeping us safe... so brave, so brave....believe me.

I thought this thread was heading into fake headline territory but it seems not. I found others too. I still think these agents - more the US ones that the marijuana story highlights - are quota jockeys. Just think about the old border agent, 4 days goes by he hasn't had a single hit of significance, fruit seizures doesn't count.
He's got to dig deeper, he wants to be recognized at the next team building event. Casual smokers without a record aren't going fall for this. So you have to trap someone that they can corroborate with the other databases they have access to. You have to be so general and generic with the questions they ask. I gotta wonder as well if the back office agents sift through news reports that have names attached and then proceed to flag the name to test the agents or outright flag the individual for a prearranged block to cross. And I guess one false statement you are screwed. Might be worthwhile to record the interaction with the agent for backup.

Have not yet crossed by land on that end but will someday.
Must be posts on what the mexican agents are like.