BajaNomad - Amlo takes over, what changes are in store for baja?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexico-apos-leader-sells-off-0048...

Wouldn't that be nice....either get the proper entry visa or stay home. With clearly posted signage to that effect on the approach roadways, walkways, trolleys and at every taxi stand.....and the consequeneces of not following the law of the land.
If someone can put up signs "NO GUNS IN MEXICO", they can surely put up signs "NO VISA, NO ENTRY"
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Oh swell, another goodie two shoes proposing Mexico becoming more like the United Disgrace of America. You zealots should be sentenced to reading De Toqueville for a weekend.

Following the laws of the country you want to live in, or visit to, as a foreign national, is now some goodie two shoed zealot?

You idiots should be sentenced to reading the Mexican laws concerning immigration/tourism while on the bus north under orders to get out.

Paco Facullo - 12-2-2018 at 02:55 PM

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Following the laws of the country you want to live in, or visit to, as a foreign national, is now some goodie two shoed zealot?

You idiots should be sentenced to reading the Mexican laws concerning immigration/tourism while on the bus north under orders to get out.
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A lot of folks around here long for the good O'l day's when Baja was just like the wild wild West. It's now loosing the charms that made people fall head over heels in LOVE with Baja .
So understandable....

JoeJustJoe - 12-2-2018 at 03:17 PM

Perhaps, politicians around the world should take part in a traditional cleansing, to help rid themselves and their countries of corruption like AMLO.

I expect great things from the left leaning AMLO, but he is going to need time to turn things around.
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Herbs, incense, a wooden staff — Mexico's indigenous cultures take the inaugural stage to purify the new president

Newly inaugurated Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador received a traditional cleansing during an indigenous ceremony Saturday in Mexico City’s central plaza, or zocalo.

At one point, Lopez Obrador, who was sworn into office Saturday for a six-year term, dropped to his knees in a cloud of incense as indigenous healers performed a rite of purification, brushing him with bunches of herbs.

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-amlo-indigenous-20181202...

DaliDali - 12-2-2018 at 03:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo

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A lot of folks around here long for the good O'l day's when Baja was just like the wild wild West. It's now loosing the charms that made people fall head over heels in LOVE with Baja .
So understandable....

True dat...…...especially the fishing
Now I have to WORK to get bit.

As with most things.....growth brings restrictions on who, when and where.

Wiki says:.....
According to the 2010 National Census, there are 961,121 immigrants registered with the government as living in Mexico, the majority of whom are US citizens.[1] This is almost double the 492,617 foreign-born residents counted in the 2000 Census.

Unofficial estimates make the call of around 4 million immigrants residing in Mexico.

BajaBlanca - 12-2-2018 at 05:28 PM

Boy! They are jumping in and getting down to business fast!

Cancamo - 12-2-2018 at 06:49 PM

Selling the presidential aircraft, staying in his private residence and opening Los Pinos, (the presidential Palace in Chapultepec Park), to the public as a museum, making it mandatory that all government officials use public means of travel and other measures of leading by example were all included in his speech yesterday. A breath of fresh air and a good start.
Think Potus would even consider this his first day in office?

shari - 12-2-2018 at 07:03 PM

I really enjoyed watching his inauguration with the indigenous cleansing and support and loved his speech. He arrived in his personal Volkswagen I think it was...not a big limo.

He mentioned that he was going to hook up the whole country to internet via the power lines so there would be internet on all the highways for better safety and internet would be free for schools, public areas etc. A President for the people...what a concept eh.

Oh and gas prices were down today at the gas station too...wooo hooo. Here we are filling up jerry jugs for a really neat cruising couple...a helicopter medic and his emergency room medic wife. YOu should see their medicine kit!

willardguy - 12-2-2018 at 07:11 PM

talking to locals about what they expect from Amlo....most reply "who"? :lol:

hope this guy is the real deal.....or at least headed in that direction!

lewmt - 12-3-2018 at 07:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Cancamo

and other measures of leading by example

What a novel idea. If only some leaders in the US would try this. Both parties.

He has the potential to be a unique leader if he's allowed to follow through....sometimes the forces unseen undermine good leadership - I hope not

Bubba - 12-3-2018 at 08:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Cancamo

Selling the presidential aircraft, staying in his private residence and opening Los Pinos, (the presidential Palace in Chapultepec Park), to the public as a museum, making it mandatory that all government officials use public means of travel and other measures of leading by example were all included in his speech yesterday. A breath of fresh air and a good start.
Think Potus would even consider this his first day in office?

shari - 12-3-2018 at 08:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

talking to locals about what they expect from Amlo....most reply "who"? :lol:

hope this guy is the real deal.....or at least headed in that direction!

IN our village hope springs eternal and everyone is talking about our new and welcomed President...huge topic of conversation...not to mention the hilarious memes on facebook about life before AMLO and after.

weebray - 12-3-2018 at 10:11 AM

Wouldn't that be nice....either get the proper entry visa or stay home. With clearly posted signage to that effect on the approach roadways, walkways, trolleys and at every taxi stand.....and the consequeneces of not following the law of the land.
If someone can put up signs "NO GUNS IN MEXICO", they can surely put up signs "NO VISA, NO ENTRY"
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Oh swell, another goodie two shoes proposing Mexico becoming more like the United Disgrace of America. You zealots should be sentenced to reading De Toqueville for a weekend.

I could attack you personally or inquire where you were taught to spel - but your vacuous rejoinder only reenforces my point. No one (criminals excluded) has ever been sent back to the border on a bus. Why? Because Mexico has something the US does not, flexibility. Except in the severest of crimes, or if you publicly embarass an official, THINGS can be worked out.

JoeJustJoe - 12-3-2018 at 10:49 AM

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I could attack you personally or inquire where you were taught to spel - but your vacuous rejoinder only reenforces my point. No one (criminals excluded) has ever been sent back to the border on a bus. Why? Because Mexico has something the US does not, flexibility. Except in the severest of crimes, or if you publicly embarass an official, THINGS can be worked out.

Don't brother trying to explain flexibility to the rigid one. He will just cite the rules like a hall monitor even if he knows most people don't always follow the rules, especially if they don't consider the rules fair. ( tell him Trump, breaks the rules and he remains silent)

I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.

willardguy - 12-3-2018 at 11:04 AM

hot diggity joes pleased with us! :coolup:

Bubba - 12-3-2018 at 11:13 AM

I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.

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And why wouldn't we?

Armed with Aboriginal Ablutions

MrBillM - 12-3-2018 at 11:17 AM

" ......... Newly inaugurated Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador received a traditional cleansing during an indigenous ceremony Saturday in Mexico City’s central plaza, or zocalo .........."

Were these the same as (or similar to) the blessings which fortified the Indios when the Spaniards arrived ?

[Edited on 12-3-2018 by MrBillM]

JoeJustJoe - 12-3-2018 at 11:22 AM

I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.

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And why wouldn't we?

Because in some circles AMLO, is considered a radical leftist socialist!

And seeing that a lot of you here, are ultra conservatives, GOP members, tea-party members, and Trumpsters.

You would think many of you would be opposed and even insulted over AMLO sitting in office.

Maybe, there is hope for you Bubba.

BTW, I don't consider AMLO a radical leftist socialist, but I do consider him a pragmatic left leaning Mexican liberal, kinda like a Gov Jerry Brown, or a Bernie Sanders, if he was elected President of the USA.

DaliDali - 12-3-2018 at 11:58 AM

Wouldn't that be nice....either get the proper entry visa or stay home. With clearly posted signage to that effect on the approach roadways, walkways, trolleys and at every taxi stand.....and the consequeneces of not following the law of the land.
If someone can put up signs "NO GUNS IN MEXICO", they can surely put up signs "NO VISA, NO ENTRY"
[/rquote]

Oh swell, another goodie two shoes proposing Mexico becoming more like the United Disgrace of America. You zealots should be sentenced to reading De Toqueville for a weekend.

Except in the severest of crimes, or if you publicly embarass an official, THINGS can be worked out.

Code speak for a bribe/payoff…...ok got that.

FYI.....check your spelling of EMBARRASS

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/embarras...

Bubba - 12-3-2018 at 01:32 PM

I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.

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And why wouldn't we?

You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern.

norte - 12-3-2018 at 01:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Yes, wouldn't that be great... Since the sign about guns is at the entrance to Mexico from the USA, I wonder if people will start getting the proper permits or Visas before entering from the USA.

norte - 12-3-2018 at 01:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by shari

I really enjoyed watching his inauguration with the indigenous cleansing and support and loved his speech. He arrived in his personal Volkswagen I think it was...not a big limo.

He mentioned that he was going to hook up the whole country to internet via the power lines so there would be internet on all the highways for better safety and internet would be free for schools, public areas etc. A President for the people...what a concept eh.

Oh and gas prices were down today at the gas station too...wooo hooo. Here we are filling up jerry jugs for a really neat cruising couple...a helicopter medic and his emergency room medic wife. YOu should see their medicine kit!

I wonder if he inhaled?

Paco Facullo - 12-3-2018 at 04:22 PM

If the purification ritual didn't include any Peyote or Ayahuasca then it has little chance of success.........

Or, maybe it did ? :bounce:

JoeJustJoe - 12-3-2018 at 04:25 PM

I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.

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And why wouldn't we?

You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern.

I think ultraconservatives will be happier with the previous Mexican administrations, from the ultra conservative PAN party, and even the old PRI, party, the old corrupt system.

The PAN more in line with neo-liberalism( conservatism) and trickle down theory, that doesn't work in the US, or Mexico either, but that doesn't stop people from claiming trickle down systems works.

The PAN party,and even the PRI, with Nieto, was willing to sell off Mexican assets, like parts of it's Pemex, oil to American oil companies. Carlos Slim, became rich when Mexico began privatizing its national industries.

AMLO, is unlikely going to allow any of that BS, and he is not going to use anything like the trickle down theory where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class.

DaliDali - 12-3-2018 at 05:00 PM

I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.

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And why wouldn't we?

You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern.

AMLO, is unlikely going to allow any of that BS, and he is not going to use anything like the trickle down theory where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class.

As I understand it, AMLO is going to propose reducing the now 16% VAT along all the contiguous border with the USA, to 8% and southward for 30 kilometers.

This region is the wealthiest in all of Mexico and includes that part of Baja Norte 30 km southward from the border at Tijuana and eastward, thence southward, to terminate at the region near Brownsville TX. All within a 30 km strip away from the borders.

While the rest of the entire country remains at 16%
. Where there is more poverty in the interior regions and harsh poverty in the far southern states of Oaxaca and Chapais. All areas where the majority of the migrants originate from.
Everyone who buys goods pays the 16%, including the poorest of the poor.

On it's face, it would appear AMLO is anointing the border regions with a tax break.
While the rest of the country (the poor interior and far southern states) will remain at 16%.
It will be worth watching if the Mexican Congress members from the poorer areas of Mexico will go along with the continued saddling them with 16% and cutting the wealthier northern border regions a break.

How does this square up with:

"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class"?

[Edited on 12-4-2018 by DaliDali]

willardguy - 12-3-2018 at 09:52 PM

I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.

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And why wouldn't we?

You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern.

the goal is to empty those deep mexican border pockets back into the mexican economy rather than the U.S. economy.....simple?

DaliDali - 12-4-2018 at 07:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.

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And why wouldn't we?

You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern.

the goal is to empty those deep mexican border pockets back into the mexican economy rather than the U.S. economy.....simple?

While the empty Mexican pockets in the rest of the country still have to pony up 16%. That "rest of the country" who are among the poorest.

Sounds like a dreaded giveaway to deep pockets, while the rest of the country won't even see one of those now infamous "crumbs"
The poor family in the interior of Sonora pays 16% for that sack of beans, corn tortillas and some cooking oil, while the "deep pockets" along the border get a break at 8%

A 30 km slice of territory along the border gets a shot in the arm, the rest of the entire country gets nada.

And now, Ensenada cried so much at being 100 km from the border, and outside the 30 km for the rest of the deep pockets, the locals can now stay in Ensendada and shop to their hearts content. Yet Ensenada's cries were not about staying there for shopping, it was to lure the tourists to come and buy trinkets and tequila for 8% VAT.

Maybe San Felipe can start crying next and get in on the windfall. Or Puerto Penasco and San Carlos on the mainland side, Los Cabos on the tip......why stop there?.....Mazatlán, Ixtapa, Acapulco. All big tourist destinations.
Hey....if Ensenada can cut a deal with AMLO for 8%, why not the bigger tourist destinations?

One windfall might be thousands fewer cars clogging the border lanes daily, for those "deep pockets" to go to the Las Americas outlet mall and Westfield Plaza mall in Bonita.

Bubba - 12-4-2018 at 08:48 AM

The Mexicans I know are very optimistic and excited to see new blood in office who wants to change things up. [/rquote]

The same way people that voted for President Trump felt when Obammy finally left. Everyone was sick and tired of the corrupt, career politicians hanging out in the swamp.

JoeJustJoe - 12-4-2018 at 09:09 AM

Quit crying DaliDali, although it's nice to see someone from the extreme right attacking AMLO.......I was starting to think the Trump fans around here just didn't understand AMLO political orientation which is leftist, but nothing wrong with that.

I predict the next President of the United States, is going to be more in line with AMLO, than a moderate liberal like a Clinton and Pelosi ticket. Perhaps, a Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, ticket could win.

In many ways AMLO, is a populist like a Hugo Chavez, and even a Donald Trump, although Trump, is the "deceiver" and cares nothing about the middle class and poor.

Not even McDonald's, brings out a new product, nationwide, before testing it in test markets.

If you DaliDali, bothered to read the Value-Added tax plan that moves it from 16% to 8% along the border, it's because he wants a economic resurgence in the region. Along with the tax breaks, will be a higher minimum wage.

AMLO, believes this will lesson the amount of undocumented Mexican workers, from crossing into the USA, and it will keep the local Mexican shoppers, on the Mexican side going over to the US and buying goods.

Cutting taxes, sound like Reagan or Trump plan, and I'm not sure I like it, but I'll willing to see AMLO roll the dice. You have a problem with tax cuts DaliDali?

What the multinationals don't like is AMLO, talks about raising wages, and unions. So expect him to get attacked in business news in the USA. If wages get too high in Mexico, expect the deep pockets in the corporate world to take ALMO out, and really trash him.

DaliDali - 12-4-2018 at 10:45 AM

Quit crying DaliDali, although it's nice to see someone from the extreme right attacking AMLO.......I was starting to think the Trump fans around here just didn't understand AMLO political orientation which is leftist, but nothing wrong with that.

I predict the next President of the United States, is going to be more in line with AMLO, than a moderate liberal like a Clinton and Pelosi ticket. Perhaps, a Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, ticket could win.

In many ways AMLO, is a populist like a Hugo Chavez, and even a Donald Trump, although Trump, is the "deceiver" and cares nothing about the middle class and poor.

Not even McDonald's, brings out a new product, nationwide, before testing it in test markets.

If you DaliDali, bothered to read the Value-Added tax plan that moves it from 16% to 8% along the border, it's because he wants a economic resurgence in the region. Along with the tax breaks, will be a higher minimum wage.

AMLO, believes this will lesson the amount of undocumented Mexican workers, from crossing into the USA, and it will keep the local Mexican shoppers, on the Mexican side going over to the US and buying goods.

Cutting taxes, sound like Reagan or Trump plan, and I'm not sure I like it, but I'll willing to see AMLO roll the dice. You have a problem with tax cuts DaliDali?

What the multinationals don't like is AMLO, talks about raising wages, and unions. So expect him to get attacked in business news in the USA. If wages get too high in Mexico, expect the deep pockets in the corporate world to take ALMO out, and really trash him.

Nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

And yes I like low taxation....as does most anyone else.
You on the other hand, are all in on higher tax rates to help out the poor. But then give AMLO a full green light to lower the taxation on the wealthier parts of the country, and leave the poor to deal with 16%.

To lessen (not lesson) the migration of undocumented workers is a con job.....the primary undocumented work force is NOT from the 30 km strip along the border.
It is from the interior of Mexico and having a few pesos higher in wages, along with the 16% in VAT will not keep them from going north to the land of the golden chalice.

I don't know what the proposed minimum pay raise is going to end up at....but with a 8% decrease in the VAT, it might come very close to what will be proposed.

A good portion of the GDP (25-30%) is underground and those "underground" entrepreneurs would not get a pay raise, yet still be burdened with 16% on everything they purchase.

The 30 km strip along the border does not need "resurgence", as the northern border states are the wealthiest in the entire country due to their proximity with the USA and the cross border trade.

Just odd that AMLO wants to cut the VAT for wealthier portions of Mexico, and let the poorer parts fester with the heavy haul of 16%.
It would seem that is should be the opposite.....yeah?
Keep the 16% VAT in those border regions, to partially or wholly fund the lowering of the VAT for the poor in the non border regions.

Stand by Joe, it won't be long before the Govenors and legislatures of non border regions will be screaming "what about us" Ensenada screamed....and got in on the hot 8% VAT deal.....not for "resurgence", but so the tourists can enjoy 8% VAT on the trinkets and tequila.

But hey.........I hope it all works out for everyone, especially the poorer regions of MX

Terry28 - 12-4-2018 at 11:11 AM

" Same as it ever was"...…..

JoeJustJoe - 12-4-2018 at 02:08 PM

DaliDali wrote: " The poor family in the interior of Sonora pays 16% for that sack of beans, corn tortillas and some cooking oil, while the "deep pockets" along the border get a break at 8%"
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There you go again DaliDali, with your negative stereotypes, of Mexicans.

How would you like it if Mexicans, defined you as a french fry eating American, since fast food joints serve up hamburgers, and fries being the staple food?

At least include lard, and the old ways some cook beans. BTW foods costs are fairly low in Mexico.

The 16% tax sounds high, and is high, but if you think about it, it's kinda like the flat tax, many ultraconservatives would like to have, and if we did, the tax would move to something like 16% or even higher, to something like 22%.

Mexico, has one of the lowest tax rates in the world, and does a poor job of collecting those taxes, and so the VAT helps to ensure Mexico does collect some taxes.

BTW I'm against any kind of flat tax, or high VAT, because it hurts the poor because they have to use a larger percentage of their income on taxable things than rich people do.

But I'm willing to give AMLO a chance, and I realize he can't do it all at once.

[Edited on 12-4-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

DaliDali - 12-4-2018 at 03:02 PM

DaliDali wrote: " The poor family in the interior of Sonora pays 16% for that sack of beans, corn tortillas and some cooking oil, while the "deep pockets" along the border get a break at 8%"
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There you go again DaliDali, with your negative stereotypes, of Mexicans.

[Edited on 12-4-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

Those facts are tough Joe...

With the poverty rate in Mexico hovering around 45%...that quoted statement is spot on....and it REMAINS the poor in Mexico will STILL get hammered with 16% and the wealthier northern states catch a break at 8%

Leave it to you to spin it all as a negative stereotype.

If Mexicans were called brown skinned people, YOU would scream bigot and racist.....pffff.

Why did Ensenada whine to get, and did get, the AMLO administration to cut their 100 km 16% VAT to 8%?
When it was admitted for tourist reasons and not some country saving economic "resurgence"
Give tourists a break on those trinkets and tequila, but to hell with the poor dirt farmer outside Hermosillo Sonora.

Right out of the gate......it smacks of corrupt political favors doesn't it?

[Edited on 12-4-2018 by DaliDali]

Hook - 12-4-2018 at 04:07 PM

I believe the idea of reducing the VAT along the border and encouraging investment in that area is, to paraphrase him, to give poor Mexicans a reason to stop and stay and work in this zone, rather than try and cross the border illegally.

I hadnt heard that the border area is the "richest" area in Mexico. Maybe so. But it may simply be a per capita thing, because a large majority still live south of the border zone.

Here is a population density map of Mexico. They're probably trying to get some people to leave some of the vastly overcrowded cities of the south and central areas of Mexico. Infrastructure is getting impossible to keep up.

Map

JoeJustJoe - 12-4-2018 at 04:58 PM

It's a sad day when I agree with anything Hook says, but he is more accurate than you DaliDali.

Maybe, DaliDali, you are thinking of Monterey, that's considered a rich northern city in Mexico.

BTW Mexico, did reduce the rate to 11% in the Mexican border states, along with the Quintana Roo, and other areas of Mexico, a few years ago because they took it away. so it's not something new.

They did it to attract business to the areas. You know, DaliDali, like the way The USA or rather certain American cities recently gave a trillion dollar company like Amazon, all kinds of corporate welfare, and giveaways if they moved to their cities.

Lets just hope AMLO, doesn't go overboard with corporate giveaways like the US cities just did with Amazon.

mtnpop - 12-4-2018 at 05:20 PM

Side bar.... went to pay ppty taxes today, the office was closed.
Word is out that with the new admin. they will not be taking payments until January and no more discount for paying b4 Dec 31.
Still have to confirm that so have not seen it written in stone yet.

on another note, if you have a trust (fideicomiso) with Interaciones they have been sold to Banorte so that might explain why many of us have not received an infoice for 2019. This might cause a little more frustration for the new year.
All we can hope is this all gets sorted out for real.

DaliDali - 12-4-2018 at 05:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

I believe the idea of reducing the VAT along the border and encouraging investment in that area is, to paraphrase him, to give poor Mexicans a reason to stop and stay and work in this zone, rather than try and cross the border illegally.

Investment in "that area" doesn't do much for the poor family in Sonora wanting to go to the land of the Golden Chalice.

I suppose that family could pack it up and head for Tijuana or Mexicali for a chance at a job.
But then there is the infrastructure you allude to...
Both Tijuana and Mexicali have big time problems in that area.

Not sure Tijuana would be all welcoming to an influx of job seekers due to a sudden economic boom via a lower VAT..and their needs.....when Tijuana can't even provide for the needs of Central American migrants now and the mayor is clamoring for help from the Feds.
And most of those jobs are in foreign owned assembly factories...a big chunk of the profits goes whoosh....off to Japanese electronic firms and USA companies taking advantage a lower wage scale.

It may work out ok.....but the "optics" are horrible.
Giving one sector a VAT break, a sector that can more "afford" to pay a higher rate, to the detriment of the rest of the countries poor people who can least afford a 16% rate.

And double down on those optics when Ensenada, 100 km from the border, gets a break to keep the tourist trade in better shape.

I wish AMLO well in his plans.....it's just too bad the poorer people of Mexico are not a part of a lower cost of living, via a less burdensome VAT rate also.

6 of the top "wealthy" 10 states in Mexico are those that have contiguous borders with the USA.....the "north" (and east)

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-10-richest-states-in...

DaliDali - 12-4-2018 at 05:33 PM

Lets just hope AMLO, doesn't go overboard with corporate giveaways like the US cities just did with Amazon.

Would you call it "overboard" when Ensenada also gets a VAT cut to keep the trinket and tequila buying tourists happy?

A full 100 km below the border "zone" that is supposed to keep Mexican money in Mexico?

Hook - 12-4-2018 at 09:21 PM

Lets just hope AMLO, doesn't go overboard with corporate giveaways like the US cities just did with Amazon.

Well, Dali, maybe if you think of it like Republican gerrymandering, you will understand it better.

Hook - 12-4-2018 at 09:24 PM

It's a sad day when I agree with anything Hook says, ............

Think of yourself as the blind squirrel, Joe. Congratulations!!!

DaliDali - 12-4-2018 at 09:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

Lets just hope AMLO, doesn't go overboard with corporate giveaways like the US cities just did with Amazon.

Well, Dali, maybe if you think of it like Republican gerrymandering, you will understand it better.

Ah ha......those dastardly gerrymanders...I knew it had to all be the USA Republicans fault Ensenada got a carve out for the tourists.

You are WHAT you EAT ?

MrBillM - 12-5-2018 at 01:39 PM

It IS possible that the U.S.A. is a far more superior country BECAUSE of Burgers and Fries rather than Frijoles y Tortillas ?

It makes sense, right ?

JoeJustJoe - 12-5-2018 at 02:18 PM

It IS possible that the U.S.A. is a far more superior country BECAUSE of Burgers and Fries rather than Frijoles y Tortillas ?

It makes sense, right ?

On a nutritional level, I bet most nutritionists would say beans and tortillas, are more healthier than burgers and fries.

But since the USA and Mexico, are listed one and two on the obesity index, it would be safe to assume Mexicans and Americans, eat a wide variety of bad food than just their staple foods they are known for.

Burgerers versus Beaners = ?

MrBillM - 12-5-2018 at 02:52 PM

The most prosperous and powerful country on earth versus the third-world.

As to all of those Fatsos ......................... the increase in obesity in the U.S. has coincided with the increase in the Latino population and the spread of Mexican food emporiums.

Could it BE ?

Beans and Tortillas ?

It's a theory worth investigating.

JoeJustJoe - 12-5-2018 at 03:29 PM

It IS possible that the U.S.A. is a far more superior country BECAUSE of Burgers and Fries rather than Frijoles y Tortillas ?

It makes sense, right ?

You need to get out more. a few years ago I was in Europe, and I saw mostly thin people, compared to over weight Americans, and those Europeans seemed to do a lot of walking and eat healthy fats.

Frijoles de la olla, is quite healthy, and probably has about the same amount of protein as as ground beef, it's when you fry the beans in oil or lard, they turn unhealthy like the comparison to potatoes( healthy) to fries( unhealthy)

Sometimes being a rich nation is the kiss of death, because it usually involves more fatty red meats, and an increase in heart attacks, stokes, and obesity. Sugar and processed foods are a real killer too.

You are probably better off living in poor Japanese village by the sea, where you eat mostly rice, and fish, than living in the rich US, and eating a standard American diet.

Paco Facullo - 12-5-2018 at 03:46 PM

I'd rather die Fat and happy, than a long skinny life , never having the joy's of eating a great char-broiled Rib-eye steak and a nice bottle of a Cabernet Sauvignon....

John Harper - 12-5-2018 at 04:07 PM

The most prosperous and powerful country on earth versus the third-world.

As to all of those Fatsos ......................... the increase in obesity in the U.S. has coincided with the increase in the Latino population and the spread of Mexican food emporiums.

Could it BE ?

Beans and Tortillas ?

It's a theory worth investigating.

Google "high fructose corn syrup" to add to your conspiracy theory. :cool:

John

There's a CONSPIRACY ?

MrBillM - 12-5-2018 at 04:33 PM

WOW !

I had NO idea.

That the Fatso Factor was a conspiratorial effort.

WHAT would be the desired endgame for people to organize and turn themselves into Broad-Butt Blimps ?

John Harper - 12-5-2018 at 04:51 PM