Campo Rene questions

Quote: Originally posted by Mulege Canuck

Last year I was there in February. They were renting the palapas then. There are 3 nice spots there for camping. As you said, they are booked for long term use. I know one of the couples that stays there for a couple of months. Very nice people from northern B.C. They always have a fun happy hour, you should drop by. Their dog is huge but very friendly, he will grow on you😎

Quote: Originally posted by clubfred

Quote: Originally posted by Mulege Canuck   Last year I was there in February. They were renting the palapas then. There are 3 nice spots there for camping. As you said, they are booked for long term use. I know one of the couples that stays there for a couple of months. Very nice people from northern B.C. They always have a fun happy hour, you should drop by. Their dog is huge but very friendly, he will grow on you😎 Thanks, Mulege Canuck. I guess we'll plan to be off the waterfront again, sigh. Good to hear the palapa is still available--now I just need a contact email. BTW, I LOVE dogs. I do not like owners who let their dogs run wild in a wildlife refuge and do not clean up after them. The birds in that estuary are supposed to be protected, no one should let their dog run and chase them. No one should let their dog run wild in any wildlife refuge.

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

It’s Mexico, land of leash free dogs. Those leash free gringo dogs are incompetent predators. The coyotes are numerous at campo Rene, they can actually catch the birds. Don’t worry about those city slicker gringo dogs, they can only catch fleas. Coyotes will catch the gringo dogs before the gringo dogs catch a bird.

Quote: Originally posted by clubfred

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   It’s Mexico, land of leash free dogs. Those leash free gringo dogs are incompetent predators. The coyotes are numerous at campo Rene, they can actually catch the birds. Don’t worry about those city slicker gringo dogs, they can only catch fleas. Coyotes will catch the gringo dogs before the gringo dogs catch a bird. I'm not new to Mexico and leash-free dogs but why is it okay to go into someone else's country and do things you wouldn't do in your own country? In Canada, if there's an area where wildlife is protected, we're supposed to respect that, including not letting our dogs harass the wildlife. If I respect the wildlife in my home country, I'm not going to travel to another country and disrespect their wildlife, just like I wouldn't toss trash out the car window just because it's not "my" land.

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

The great thing about rural open space is that dogs get to run around and chase things! Don’t worry, the dogs eventually tire themselves or realize the futility of chasing birds, and The birds got wings, they can fly to the next beach if rover is bothering them.

Okay, let me try to make this very clear one last time. First I love dogs. I've owned many dogs. I worked as a veterinary assistant for five years. I've volunteered with vets at home, in Baja, and other places around the world. I have been a volunteer with the SPCA since 2013. I love when dogs get to run off leash--in places where it's good for them to do so. And I am okay with dogs being off leash in general if they are well trained and their owners clean up after them.

I am not okay with dogs being off leash and harassing wildlife, especially in environmentally sensitive/protected areas. Estero Coyote is not simply a "rural open space". The entire estuary is part of the Vizcaino Biosphere, and a Unesco World Site--one of only 40 in all of Mexico. Many migratory birds use the estuary, some are endangered. It's a critical site for wild birds.

https://en.unesco.org/biosphere/lac/vizcaino




If you do even a small amount of research, you'll see that dogs don't need to catch or kill birds to harm them. Chasing is extremely stressful for many wild birds, especially migratory birds, not to mention endangered birds. There's growing evidence that even dogs on leashes can be harmful to bird populations.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dog-walking-irks-birds/#

Many national parks in the US and Canada do not allow dogs off leash at all. If I were to let my dog run free in Joshua Tree National Park, for example, (another environmentally sensitive area), my dog and I would be kicked out of the park, at the very least. There are sound, scientific and biological reasons these rules are in place. Just because there aren't park rangers in Estero Coyote, doesn't mean it should be a free for all. Just because it's someone else's country, doesn't mean tourists can or should do whatever they want.

I'm not the fun police. If someone wants to let their dog run free, great! Find a place where that's okay to do, not inside a protected biological reserve, train your dog not to chase wildlife, and PLEASE clean up after your dog.

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone

Let dogs chase a ball or a stick. Allowing your dog to harass birds in their habitat - nesting, foraging, migration rest stop - is ignorant. The campo is a public place - not rural open space - and dogs should be under control of their owners. The estuary is ecologically sensitive. Gonna drive on the beach and run over turtle nests too? Dump your RV sewage in the estuary?

Did hell freeze over, or has the Devil Goat just been schooled on being good to the environment?

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Considering how many little bags of dog crap I pick up on my morning walks around my neighborhood, I doubt most dog owners even care about anyone but themselves. We even have dog waste stations (that I pay for!), but I guess that's not enough to convince dog owners to be good neighbors. Sad. John [Edited on 9-16-2019 by John Harper]

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Did hell freeze over, or has the Devil Goat just been schooled on being good to the environment?

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper   Considering how many little bags of dog crap I pick up on my morning walks around my neighborhood, I doubt most dog owners even care about anyone but themselves. We even have dog waste stations (that I pay for!), but I guess that's not enough to convince dog owners to be good neighbors. Sad. John On one point I will agree: it is ludicrous for dog owners to pick up poop w/ plastic bag, then walk a block with that poop-filled bag and litter that same bag. I see poop-filled bags littered all over the neighborhood. WTF is up with that?

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

He's trolling them. I got a little chuckle out of them getting worked up about it.

Yeah, that's hilarious isn't it? There's nothing I enjoy more, as a woman who's spent her life constantly being dismissed and ridiculed by men, than to have a man use a subject I care about for social sport. So funny. I can't stop laughing. Lol.

[Edited on 9-17-2019 by clubfred]

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

I know, they go to the trouble of carrying the little bags, picking up warm steamy stools, bagging that crap, and then not completing the mission. They'll never make it in the SEAL teams. We even have doggy trash cans for poop on every frickin block! I even picked up a bag full of cat litter the other morning, WTF???? John[Edited on 9-17-2019 by John Harper]

It's most frustrating for responsible pet owners--and we seem to be the minority. I make sure to get written references from places where I stay with my cats so that I can show people when I try to book accommodation

Well...I was trying to keep from chiming in as the topic was about Campo Rene...but when it turned completely into a discussion of pet excrement I just can't resist any longer; my apologies to the poster.

I live in an area surrounded by state park trails in San Diego. There are an array of signs of 'don'ts' including the obligatory 'pick up after your dog' and 'report those who are not at this number ...'

When walking my dog in these areas I will comply and pick up after her if she deposits on a trail. But my dog is more inclined to walk a couple of yards off the trail and do what she does.

It is then that I do not bother to pick up a natural waste that within a matter of hours will loose sixty percent of its mass and within a day or two in the heat of the east county be ninety percent gone.

I find it illogical for me to pick the off-trail waste up and put it in a small plastic bag, and then carry it to a provided plastic-bag-lined trash can and deposit it there. Where it will be hauled to a local dump within the same mountain area and buried as many plastic bags of a natural substance bound in a large plastic bag within the earth to spend years in a decay process where all of that matter is released eventually to pollute the land en masse and possibly any water table nearby (and a river bed runs through this east county range).

I see far more coyote scat and wild cat scat (as well as drink containers and small trash left behind by hikers) than domestic animal waste ON the trails. I also see a lot of small bags of waste ON the trails where hikers don't want to carry their dog's remnants up and down the mountain. How long will it take for that bag to decay compared to the actual mess on the trail. I would rather someone carry that mess away on the sole of their expensive hiking shoes

Quote: Originally posted by clubfred

Yeah, that's hilarious isn't it? There's nothing I enjoy more, as a woman who's spent her life constantly being dismissed and ridiculed by men, than to have a man use a subject I care about for social sport. So funny. I can't stop laughing. Lol. [Edited on 9-17-2019 by clubfred]

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Let's play the victim card. How was anyone suppose to know your gender? No women I know get dismissed by men.

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

How long will it take for that bag to decay compared to the actual mess on the trail. I would rather someone carry that mess away on the sole of their expensive hiking shoes

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

Well...I was trying to keep from chiming in as the topic was about Campo Rene...but when it turned completely into a discussion of pet excrement I just can't resist any longer; my apologies to the poster. I live in an area surrounded by state park trails in San Diego. There are an array of signs of 'don'ts' including the obligatory 'pick up after your dog' and 'report those who are not at this number ...' When walking my dog in these areas I will comply and pick up after her if she deposits on a trail. But my dog is more inclined to walk a couple of yards off the trail and do what she does. It is then that I do not bother to pick up a natural waste that within a matter of hours will loose sixty percent of its mass and within a day or two in the heat of the east county be ninety percent gone. I find it illogical for me to pick the off-trail waste up and put it in a small plastic bag, and then carry it to a provided plastic-bag-lined trash can and deposit it there. Where it will be hauled to a local dump within the same mountain area and buried as many plastic bags of a natural substance bound in a large plastic bag within the earth to spend years in a decay process where all of that matter is released eventually to pollute the land en masse and possibly any water table nearby (and a river bed runs through this east county range). I see far more coyote scat and wild cat scat (as well as drink containers and small trash left behind by hikers) than domestic animal waste ON the trails. I also see a lot of small bags of waste ON the trails where hikers don't want to carry their dog's remnants up and down the mountain. How long will it take for that bag to decay compared to the actual mess on the trail. I would rather someone carry that mess away on the sole of their expensive hiking shoes

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Well, I hope you're not planning to summit Mt. Whitney in the future, because you now need a wag bag to carry your own crap out! Luckily, I'm not into summits, just backcountry flyfishing. But, I agree with you on off trail pooping, where the hell do the bears do it, anyway? As a backpacker, I do bring out (or burn) my TP, but dig a cat hole for my poop. If a dog craps out in the wilderness, so be it, we all do. Please pick up any litter you find off trail, be good by doing good! I pick up all the trash I come across on my neighborhood walks, as well as lots of those little poopy bags. People thank me all the time for what I do. Too bad they don't join me. John

Quote: Originally posted by clubfred

Quote: Originally posted by JZ   He's trolling them. I got a little chuckle out of them getting worked up about it. Yeah, that's hilarious isn't it? There's nothing I enjoy more, as a woman who's spent her life constantly being dismissed and ridiculed by men, than to have a man use a subject I care about for social sport. So funny. I can't stop laughing. Lol. [Edited on 9-17-2019 by clubfred]

Quote: Originally posted by clubfred

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper   I know, they go to the trouble of carrying the little bags, picking up warm steamy stools, bagging that crap, and then not completing the mission. They'll never make it in the SEAL teams. We even have doggy trash cans for poop on every frickin block! I even picked up a bag full of cat litter the other morning, WTF???? John[Edited on 9-17-2019 by John Harper] It's most frustrating for responsible pet owners--and we seem to be the minority. I make sure to get written references from places where I stay with my cats so that I can show people when I try to book accommodation

Ordinary average guy!

We pick up the dog doo, and hope that it's hard!

(apologies to Joe Walsh)

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Glad to see the forum can still stay on topic. Some things never change. Yes, the palapa is for rent, there is only one spot currently taken. Keep your eye on Lorena...no consensus on where she is headed.

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot

What I find particularly amusing is that the OP expressed a desire to keep the topic on point and not have it run off the rails like his/her last post apparently did and then proceeded to drag it into the gutter her/himself.....fascinating....Thank you for bringing the post back to the topic at hand Ralf.... [Edited on 9-18-2019 by dtbushpilot]