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Campo Rene questions
Last time I posted a question about Campo Rene, it started a keruffle. Hope to avoid that this time!
So, Hubs and I are heading back down to Estero Coyote in late January,early February. We'll be towing a small travel trailer and bringing our small
tin boat. We have a couple of friends who will be coming with us this time who may or may not bring their travel trailer. If they don't, they're
hoping to rent the nice palapa that was built a few years back. Does anyone know if it's still available to rent? Does anyone have contact info for
Campo Rene? The page on their website shows an error message.
Also, any recent news about Campo Rene would be much appreciated! The last time we were there (2017), we were a little sad to find that all the
waterfront spots had been rented long term by large motorhomes. (I know, I know, great for the owners of CR, but we can still be a tiny bit sad for
ourselves, lol). Much sadder, was that we watched said motorhomers let their dog run free--chitting in the mangroves, chasing the protected birds.
Happy news is that fishing was FANTASTIC and we saw trillions of baby fish in the estuary--very cool! A big, and welcome, improvement.
Any recent trip reports would be awesome! Thanks!
~ Kristene
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Mulege Canuck
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Last year I was there in February. They were renting the palapas then. There are 3 nice spots there for camping. As you said, they are booked for
long term use. I know one of the couples that stays there for a couple of months. Very nice people from northern B.C. They always have a fun happy
hour, you should drop by. Their dog is huge but very friendly, he will grow on you😎
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Quote: Originally posted by Mulege Canuck  | | Last year I was there in February. They were renting the palapas then. There are 3 nice spots there for camping. As you said, they are booked for
long term use. I know one of the couples that stays there for a couple of months. Very nice people from northern B.C. They always have a fun happy
hour, you should drop by. Their dog is huge but very friendly, he will grow on you😎 |
Thanks, Mulege Canuck. I guess we'll plan to be off the waterfront again, sigh. Good to hear the palapa is still available--now I just need a contact
email.
BTW, I LOVE dogs. I do not like owners who let their dogs run wild in a wildlife refuge and do not clean up after them. The birds in that
estuary are supposed to be protected, no one should let their dog run and chase them. No one should let their dog run wild in any wildlife refuge.
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| Quote: Originally posted by clubfred | | Quote: Originally posted by Mulege Canuck | | Last year I was there in February. They were renting the palapas then. There are 3 nice spots there for camping. As you said, they are booked for
long term use. I know one of the couples that stays there for a couple of months. Very nice people from northern B.C. They always have a fun happy
hour, you should drop by. Their dog is huge but very friendly, he will grow on you😎 |
Thanks, Mulege Canuck. I guess we'll plan to be off the waterfront again, sigh. Good to hear the palapa is still available--now I just need a contact
email.
BTW, I LOVE dogs. I do not like owners who let their dogs run wild in a wildlife refuge and do not clean up after them. The birds in that
estuary are supposed to be protected, no one should let their dog run and chase them. No one should let their dog run wild in any wildlife refuge.
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It’s Mexico, land of leash free dogs. Those leash free gringo dogs are incompetent predators. The coyotes are numerous at campo Rene, they can
actually catch the birds. Don’t worry about those city slicker gringo dogs, they can only catch fleas. Coyotes will catch the gringo dogs before
the gringo dogs catch a bird.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Mulege Canuck
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Well said goat.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | It’s Mexico, land of leash free dogs. Those leash free gringo dogs are incompetent predators. The coyotes are numerous at campo Rene, they can
actually catch the birds. Don’t worry about those city slicker gringo dogs, they can only catch fleas. Coyotes will catch the gringo dogs before
the gringo dogs catch a bird. |
I'm not new to Mexico and leash-free dogs but why is it okay to go into someone else's country and do things you wouldn't do in your own country? In
Canada, if there's an area where wildlife is protected, we're supposed to respect that, including not letting our dogs harass the wildlife. If I
respect the wildlife in my home country, I'm not going to travel to another country and disrespect their wildlife, just like I wouldn't toss trash out
the car window just because it's not "my" land.
ETA: My parents taught me that you should be on your best behaviour when you're a guest in someone else's home. I apply that to countries, as well. I
know not everyone subscribes to this philosophy but I do and will continue to do so. It's a privilege for me to be a guest in Mexico, that's how I see
it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by clubfred | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | It’s Mexico, land of leash free dogs. Those leash free gringo dogs are incompetent predators. The coyotes are numerous at campo Rene, they can
actually catch the birds. Don’t worry about those city slicker gringo dogs, they can only catch fleas. Coyotes will catch the gringo dogs before
the gringo dogs catch a bird. |
I'm not new to Mexico and leash-free dogs but why is it okay to go into someone else's country and do things you wouldn't do in your own country? In
Canada, if there's an area where wildlife is protected, we're supposed to respect that, including not letting our dogs harass the wildlife. If I
respect the wildlife in my home country, I'm not going to travel to another country and disrespect their wildlife, just like I wouldn't toss trash out
the car window just because it's not "my" land.
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The great thing about rural open space is that dogs get to run around and chase things! Don’t worry, the dogs eventually tire themselves or realize
the futility of chasing birds, and The birds got wings, they can fly to the next beach if rover is bothering them
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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"The great thing about rural open space is that dogs get to run around and chase things! Don’t worry, the dogs eventually tire themselves or realize
the futility of chasing birds, and The birds got wings, they can fly to the next beach if rover is bothering them."
Let dogs chase a ball or a stick. Allowing your dog to harass birds in their habitat - nesting, foraging, migration rest stop - is ignorant. The campo
is a public place - not rural open space - and dogs should be under control of their owners. The estuary is ecologically sensitive. Gonna drive on
the beach and run over turtle nests too? Dump your RV sewage in the estuary?
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clubfred
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | The great thing about rural open space is that dogs get to run around and chase things! Don’t worry, the dogs eventually tire themselves or realize
the futility of chasing birds, and The birds got wings, they can fly to the next beach if rover is bothering them. |
Okay, let me try to make this very clear one last time. First I love dogs. I've owned many dogs. I worked as a veterinary assistant for five years.
I've volunteered with vets at home, in Baja, and other places around the world. I have been a volunteer with the SPCA since 2013. I love when dogs get
to run off leash--in places where it's good for them to do so. And I am okay with dogs being off leash in general if they are well trained and their
owners clean up after them.
I am not okay with dogs being off leash and harassing wildlife, especially in environmentally sensitive/protected areas. Estero Coyote is not simply a
"rural open space". The entire estuary is part of the Vizcaino Biosphere, and a Unesco World Site--one of only 40 in all of Mexico. Many migratory
birds use the estuary, some are endangered. It's a critical site for wild birds.
https://en.unesco.org/biosphere/lac/vizcaino
If you do even a small amount of research, you'll see that dogs don't need to catch or kill birds to harm them. Chasing is extremely stressful for
many wild birds, especially migratory birds, not to mention endangered birds. There's growing evidence that even dogs on leashes can be harmful to
bird populations.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dog-walking-irks-birds/#
Many national parks in the US and Canada do not allow dogs off leash at all. If I were to let my dog run free in Joshua Tree National Park, for
example, (another environmentally sensitive area), my dog and I would be kicked out of the park, at the very least. There are sound, scientific and
biological reasons these rules are in place. Just because there aren't park rangers in Estero Coyote, doesn't mean it should be a free for all. Just
because it's someone else's country, doesn't mean tourists can or should do whatever they want.
I'm not the fun police. If someone wants to let their dog run free, great! Find a place where that's okay to do, not inside a protected biological
reserve, train your dog not to chase wildlife, and PLEASE clean up after your dog.
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clubfred
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| Quote: Originally posted by wilderone | | Let dogs chase a ball or a stick. Allowing your dog to harass birds in their habitat - nesting, foraging, migration rest stop - is ignorant. The campo
is a public place - not rural open space - and dogs should be under control of their owners. The estuary is ecologically sensitive. Gonna drive on
the beach and run over turtle nests too? Dump your RV sewage in the estuary? |
Thank you! Exactly.
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Well I have a dog in this fight, a 90 pounder that loves to run and swim. I agree with clubfred, and to the best of my ability, I will keep my girl
from being a problem to people or critters!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Did hell freeze over, or has the Devil Goat just been schooled on being good to the environment?
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Nope, Hell didn't freeze over. That's just Goat being Goat. Hopefully others are more aware of their pets now though. Campo Rene is a wonderful place
with lots of areas for dogs and people to run.
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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Considering how many little bags of dog crap I pick up on my morning walks around my neighborhood, I doubt most dog owners even care about anyone but
themselves.
We even have dog waste stations (that I pay for!), but I guess that's not enough to convince dog owners to be good neighbors. Sad.
John
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Thanks for chiming in, everyone! And hats off to the pet owners who make an effort to respect their neighbours and the environment!
I've been visiting Estero Coyote since 1999. It's wonderful to see how much healthier the estuary is now and I hope this trend continues. Kudos to the
people of Punta Abreojos and all the scientists and conservationists who worked to protect the estuary. It's such a beautiful and unique place!
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | Considering how many little bags of dog crap I pick up on my morning walks around my neighborhood, I doubt most dog owners even care about anyone but
themselves.
We even have dog waste stations (that I pay for!), but I guess that's not enough to convince dog owners to be good neighbors. Sad.
John
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On one point I will agree: it is ludicrous for dog owners to pick up poop w/ plastic bag, then walk a block with that poop-filled bag and litter that
same bag. I see poop-filled bags littered all over the neighborhood. WTF is up with that?
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He's trolling them. I got a little chuckle out of them getting worked up about it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | Considering how many little bags of dog crap I pick up on my morning walks around my neighborhood, I doubt most dog owners even care about anyone but
themselves.
We even have dog waste stations (that I pay for!), but I guess that's not enough to convince dog owners to be good neighbors. Sad.
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On one point I will agree: it is ludicrous for dog owners to pick up poop w/ plastic bag, then walk a block with that poop-filled bag and litter that
same bag. I see poop-filled bags littered all over the neighborhood. WTF is up with that?
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I know, they go to the trouble of carrying the little bags, picking up warm
steamy stools, bagging that crap, and then not completing the mission. They'll never make it in the SEAL teams. We even have doggy trash cans for
poop on every frickin block!
I even picked up a bag full of cat litter the other morning, WTF????
John
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Yeah, that's hilarious isn't it? There's nothing I enjoy more, as a woman who's spent her life constantly being dismissed and ridiculed by men, than
to have a man use a subject I care about for social sport. So funny. I can't stop laughing. Lol. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | I know, they go to the trouble of carrying the little bags, picking up warm steamy stools, bagging that crap, and then not completing the mission.
They'll never make it in the SEAL teams. We even have doggy trash cans for poop on every frickin block!
I even picked up a bag full of cat litter the other morning, WTF????
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It's most frustrating for responsible pet owners--and we seem to be the minority. I make sure to get written references from places where I stay with
my cats so that I can show people when I try to book accommodation 
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