BajaNomad - Starting to plan out a camping trip in early May; Where to go?

You know JZ, if it is okay for you it is okay for everyone. Why do you feel entitled to go where you want while others stay put to prevent disease spread? I would love nothing more than to enjoy the solitude nature has to offer at this moment in time. But, IMHO, it would be selfish and irresponsible. The point of all of this is to stay home to prevent disease spread. So, as they, Stay the Flock Home.

Yea JZ bend your knee to the government that will tell you how to think and act for your own good. Because you know that the people who make up rules, like, you can only go out if you cram yourself in an enclosed environment with others (and wear a mask to shield you against harm) aka 'the store'.

Think folks; if you need 6ft from others to protect you, then you need 144 sq. ft. (6ft from all sides of you = 12 x 12) and then take the square footage of the space the stuff the store stocks away from the total square footage leaving what is the square footage of actual open space and divide that by 144 square feet...it doesn't actually leave space on all sides of each individual that we are told to maintain in the average store.

I spoke to a manager of Walmart this morning about this and he never mentioned the space stock takes up when he told me the amount of people they can allow in their store at any time based on the 'total square footage of the store footprint'.

Now lets talk about how many people can fit on BLM land or other venues where people would wish to go outdoors...Like the ocean for me. For some of us visiting Walmart is just not how we practice FREEDOM.

DouglasP - 4-16-2020 at 08:42 AM

Logic has no place in this.........

motoged - 4-16-2020 at 11:25 AM

Decisions decisions.....who ya gonna call ?

While others plan your next travel plan with detailed gps info, dog parks, and big truck recommendations ..... it's kinda like you want folks to:

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Lee - 4-16-2020 at 12:03 PM

Nothing personal, I respect your beliefs even though I think they're kooky.

Don't believe a word you've written. I know where you got that misinformation.

It appears you believe in the government and stuff printed in the media and reported on tv.

I think it's hooey. People in Michigan are rebelling and demonstrating and they're armed? 7 states don't have lockdown.

This might be a good time to visit a gun shop and stock up? Still have some old .9mm Hydra-Shok's that can get the job done.

Cuidado.

bajabuddha - 4-16-2020 at 03:46 PM

New word for Jizzy and his ilk:

Freedumb.

JZ - 4-16-2020 at 06:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Marc

Utah. By May the police state restrictions will hopefully be lifted. Around Escalante there is plenty of BLM land with free camping.

Agreed.

Not a Trump fan. But one good thing he could do under his control is open up the National Park System by May 1st. Putting in whatever necessary precautions, e.g. having visitor centers remained closed, etc.

[Edited on 4-17-2020 by JZ]

pacificobob - 4-16-2020 at 07:26 PM

Well said bajamama. The social distancing rebels are cut from the same cloth as climate change deniers.

mtgoat666 - 4-16-2020 at 07:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Well said bajamama. The social distancing rebels are cut from the same cloth as climate change deniers.

Of course, it would help population control if some of the social distancing deniers were to die from lack of social distancing,... and improvement of the human gene pool would be one benefit!

mtgoat666 - 4-17-2020 at 04:57 AM

the anti-stay-at-home rebels:

John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 05:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Not a Trump fan. But one good thing he could do under his control is open up the National Park System by May 1st. Putting in whatever necessary precautions, e.g. having visitor centers remained closed, etc.

Open the trailheads too! I got a reservation for a backpacking trip into the Golden Trout Wilderness at the end of June. The goldies are waiting for me.

John

John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 05:46 AM

the anti-stay-at-home rebels:

A picture really is worth a thousand words. What a scary bunch.

John

mtgoat666 - 4-17-2020 at 06:37 AM

the anti-stay-at-home rebels:

A picture really is worth a thousand words. What a scary bunch.

John

And what lunacy prompts people carry assault rifles to a protest march in the city? WTF?

And here are more protesters:

[Edited on 4-17-2020 by mtgoat666]

pacificobob - 4-17-2020 at 07:03 AM

the anti-stay-at-home rebels:

A picture really is worth a thousand words. What a scary bunch.

John

Yes, 1000 very scary words. How did American culture evolve into this?

John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 07:46 AM

And what lunacy prompts people carry assault rifles to a protest march in the city? WTF?

And the stupid SOB on the left has a loaded magazine in his rifle. What kind of nut is that?

John

Paco Facullo - 4-17-2020 at 08:20 AM

"And the stupid SOB on the left has a loaded magazine in his rifle. What kind of nut is that?"

I'd guess a VARY well protected SOB,,,,,,

DouglasP - 4-17-2020 at 09:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Well said bajamama. The social distancing rebels are cut from the same cloth as climate change deniers.

Of course, it would help population control if some of the social distancing deniers were to die from lack of social distancing,... and improvement of the human gene pool would be one benefit!

And right on cue the Goat parrots his new talking points from head quarters......you go Goat, you go. :rolleyes:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/politics/what-matters-april-1...

Headline of the "article".

"The social-distancing deniers have arrived"

LancairDriver - 4-17-2020 at 11:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

the anti-stay-at-home rebels:

A picture really is worth a thousand words. What a scary bunch.

John

Yes, 1000 very scary words. How did American culture evolve into this?

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David K - 4-17-2020 at 11:53 AM

:light:

The true evil in our government. How about her ripping up the state of the union address. This is what happens when children run things...

LancairDriver - 4-17-2020 at 11:53 AM

And what lunacy prompts people carry assault rifles to a protest march in the city? WTF?

And the stupid SOB on the left has a loaded magazine in his rifle. What kind of nut is that?
John

A seriously unhinged nutcase. However it is not possible to tell the if magazine is loaded but anyone confronted by this nut would assume it is and act accordingly.

motoged - 4-17-2020 at 12:40 PM

The true evil in our government. How about her ripping up the state of the union address. This is what happens when children run things...

David,
Seeing that recognize true evil, have a firm grip on social politics, have a huge (the hugest ever, better than super-huge) populist following, and are one of the most mature folks in your commie state, I think it would be most appropriate for you to put on your red hat and run for state senator or some such really (biggest most hugest) political position.

I think you have the education, experience and social graces that would put any Democratic homo commie to shame.

Step up to the plate, David, and save your god-forgotten country. :light:

mtgoat666 - 4-17-2020 at 12:44 PM

The true evil in our government. How about her ripping up the state of the union address. This is what happens when children run things...

yes, when an evil child is prez and running (sic) things, ripping up his grade school screed is appropriate! :lol:

John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 02:21 PM

A seriously unhinged nutcase. However it is not possible to tell the if magazine is loaded but anyone confronted by this nut would assume it is and act accordingly.

You can actually see the brass cases in the magazine, the compressed mag spring, and the magazine follower. It's a transparent magazine. Take a closer look. I can count at least 8 rounds, and it's a double stack mag, so there's more than that in there.

John

[Edited on 4-17-2020 by John Harper]

John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 02:33 PM

How about her ripping up the state of the union address.

It was probably scrawled in crayon, and not worthy of posting on her refrigerator.

Her 4 year old granddaughter probably has a better vocabulary.

John

[Edited on 4-17-2020 by John Harper]

DouglasP - 4-17-2020 at 02:42 PM

Man, look at these unhinged protesters in Idaho!

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John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 02:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP

Man, look at these unhinged protesters in Idaho!

Yes, and it looks like everyone protesting is following professional medical advice about the need for "social distancing" and practicing it as well.

Unhinged? Or willfully ignorant? Any super spreaders among them?

John

[Edited on 4-17-2020 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 4-17-2020 at 03:00 PM

live free or die
live free and die

which is it?

DouglasP - 4-17-2020 at 03:03 PM

Everyone is going to get this. EVERYONE. The weak or susceptible will get really sick. Some will die. Rinse, repeat.

Wringing your hands or parroting whichever confirmation bias source du jour and screaming about how person X isn’t doing enough isn’t going to change the flocking REALITY that C19 is here, it’s here to stay, and it’s going to have a recurring body count with every wave of infection until herd immunity renders it rare or an effective vaccine renders it impotent.

This virus has shown, to me at least, that it is being as contained as well as marginally practicable through the decimation of our economy. Which begs the question of how loosely can we permit commerce and social interaction without SIGNIFICANTLY risking driving the infection rate above manageable levels for acute/palliative care?

Obviously that threshold is different for every state, county, city, town, neighborhood, street and household, which, to me, brings us back to the concept of individual liberty and assumption of risk.

Do YOU want to risk exposure? Or, have you contracted and defeated an infection? Isn’t it incumbent upon us to be self-reliant and self-aware of the risk we take to ourselves when we dare venture outside our front door?

Those who wish to quarantine, by all means, do so. Those whose likelihood of surviving an infection would be well advised to take every precaution possible, including having their affairs in order in the event the inevitable happens.

The rest of us should not be restricted in reasserting our rights of free association.

If draconian measures once again seem necessary, address them then. Prolonging the exsanguination of every able-bodies citizen is an unacceptable affront to the liberties guaranteed us by the toilet paper Washington DC has been wiping its pampered posterior on for far too long.

DouglasP - 4-17-2020 at 03:05 PM

I'm gonna go shoot some ground squirrels, AKA whistle pig!

John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 03:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP

I'm gonna go shoot some ground squirrels, AKA whistle pig!

Good hunting!

John

LancairDriver - 4-17-2020 at 03:22 PM

A seriously unhinged nutcase. However it is not possible to tell the if magazine is loaded but anyone confronted by this nut would assume it is and act accordingly.

My bad. Your right. I blew up the image and it is clear it is loaded. That nutcase just doesn’t get that he is just putting a big target on himself.

John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 03:36 PM

My bad. Your right. I blew up the image and it is clear it is loaded. That nutcase just doesn’t get that he is just putting a big target on himself.

These are the kooks that give responsible gun owners (like me) a bad name.

John

paranewbi - 4-17-2020 at 04:18 PM

Just got back from Yuma where it was worth the 3 hour drive there and 3 back to stand in freedom and get off a few rounds at an outdoor range.
Took note of the increased traffic on the I-8 and the number of RV's out in the dunes with toys zipping around. On the way back the freeway was even busier and tons of RV's and tow-ables headed east.
Weather was beautiful, gas was $1.98 a gallon, and my wife out shot me.
Seems like a lot of people out and around in Yuma and increasing numbers of folks headed east from San Diego to get some of that good ol' freedom.
Didn't see one Covid body layin' around.

Back to "Where to camp"

AKgringo - 4-17-2020 at 06:59 PM

JZ, have you ever spent any time in gold country? It is not exactly the wide open spaces that we all love in Baja, but there are a lot of accessible back roads in Nevada county, and a few off road trails.

Beside riding you and your boys could try a little placer gold mining, or rock hounding in some of the old hydraulic mining sites.

You could camp on my property if this sounds like something that would be fun. In addition to the 90 acres that my family has, we have a private road that is about the only access to a tract of BLM land.

JZ - 4-17-2020 at 07:01 PM

I haven't. Can you drop me a GPS location and/or link to read up?

John Harper - 4-17-2020 at 07:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

You could camp on my property if this sounds like something that would be fun. In addition to the 90 acres that my family has, we have a private road that is about the only access to a tract of BLM land.

If there's any trout streams nearby, I'm in!!!! Have all the gear I need. And, I'm definitely not a cheap bastard. I'll take care of you, and more.

I'll even bring some guns so JZ can try out a few, kids and wife too!

John

[Edited on 4-18-2020 by John Harper]

AKgringo - 4-17-2020 at 07:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

I haven't. Can you drop me a GPS location and/or link to read up?

I hope this works for a starting point;
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.19918,-120.91684,2004m/data=...

My property would be pretty much in the center of the area (if this works)

AKgringo - 4-17-2020 at 07:25 PM

There are bluegill in the pond, but the streams on my property are seasonal, so no trout. I am up on a ridge, and the rivers on both sides of me are still choked with gravel from the hydraulic mining days. Very poor habitat for any fish.

Lee - 4-17-2020 at 09:48 PM

The true evil in our government. How about her ripping up the state of the union address. This is what happens when children run things...

Nancy definitely opened a can of whoop a$$ on him, didn't she?

Lee - 4-17-2020 at 10:11 PM

My bad. Your right. I blew up the image and it is clear it is loaded. That nutcase just doesn’t get that he is just putting a big target on himself.

These are the kooks that give responsible gun owners (like me) a bad name.

John

Sounds like you care about how a responsible gun owner should look? Why? Anti-gun will always be (most likely) anti-gun. I'm pro gun, guy with the assault weapon has a right to carry, doesn't give a F what anyone thinks.

I've enlarged the photo and don't see any rounds. Y'all hallucinating?

Personally, I wouldn't carry in a situation like that. He feels differently. Any questions? Too much time on your hands.

LancairDriver - 4-18-2020 at 12:21 AM

Quote by Lee; I've enlarged the photo and don't see any rounds. Y'all hallucinating?

Try again. Take two fingers and place them over the image of the magazine in the picture. Spread those fingers apart. Presto! Now you don’t have to hallucinate and the close up of the contents of the magazine will magically appear.
Also, most of us gun owners know we have the right to carry arms almost anywhere but few would grandstand like that.

basautter - 4-18-2020 at 04:42 AM

There is a lot of great single track and open spaces to camp around Flagstaff and between Flagstaff and Phoenix. The Wickenburg/Lake Pleasant area also has hundreds of miles of trails (A National Enduro used to be hosted there). As of today, it is all open as long as group size is less than 10.

Check out Arizona Trail Riders and Trail Riders of Southern Az for more info. The clubs are very good about sharing info and GPS tracks. Az is a great place to ride, have fun! :bounce:

[Edited on 4-18-2020 by basautter]

paranewbi - 4-18-2020 at 04:46 AM

My bad. Your right. I blew up the image and it is clear it is loaded. That nutcase just doesn’t get that he is just putting a big target on himself.

These are the kooks that give responsible gun owners (like me) a bad name.

John

We park an Aircraft Carrier of the coast of Iran to make sure the world knows we wield what it takes to get the job done.

Once in a while it takes a show of force to show others we have the will. It's not about the loaded magazine, it's about the will.

Get a clue. The tree is impressive, but don't get lost in the forest of emotion.

bajatrailrider - 4-18-2020 at 07:02 AM

:light:

mtgoat666 - 4-18-2020 at 07:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

My bad. Your right. I blew up the image and it is clear it is loaded. That nutcase just doesn’t get that he is just putting a big target on himself.

These are the kooks that give responsible gun owners (like me) a bad name.

John

It is ridiculous to protest a government public health action by threatening violence while brandishing assault rifles at protest march.
Someone tries to save your life so you stick a gun in their face?

John Harper - 4-18-2020 at 08:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Yes, I saw from satellite how damaged the riverbeds look like from space. I figured it was all the hydraulic mining. Sad that it's still devastated after more than 150 years.

John

John Harper - 4-18-2020 at 08:10 AM

Me? Anti-gun? I have a collection in the double digits with a big safe, too. Anti-gun is the last thing anyone would ever call me. I'm just against people with poor judgement brandishing weapons in public.

You must be blind not to see the rounds in the transparent magazine. I thought you were a Marine? That kind of blindness gets Marines killed, what would your DI say?

Who pee'd in your cornflakes, Lee? Anytime you want to come down and see my collection, let me know.

John

[Edited on 4-18-2020 by John Harper]

paranewbi - 4-18-2020 at 08:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

My bad. Your right. I blew up the image and it is clear it is loaded. That nutcase just doesn’t get that he is just putting a big target on himself.

These are the kooks that give responsible gun owners (like me) a bad name.

John

Save my life? I don't know of anyone's life the government has saved (ok, Trump has worked hard with getting back those who find themselves in foreign prisons).

My wife saves lives, her co-workers save lives, many fine people have rushed in where others run from, individuals donate blood and organs from their bodies and loved ones remains...but I don't know of any one the 'government' has saved. I don't admire government because it admires itself.

Once again Goat, who you run to in fear shows your fear is what guides you. Get off the nipple Goat.

[Edited on 4-18-2020 by paranewbi]

chuckie - 4-18-2020 at 08:51 AM

I must have missed the "Brandishing" part? Looks like a normal carry to me. What good is a gun if its not loaded?

Lee - 4-18-2020 at 09:04 AM

Who pee'd in your cornflakes, Lee? Anytime you want to come down and see my collection, let me know.

John
[Edited on 4-18-2020 by John Harper]

Wow relax John. Never said you were anti-gun. I know what you guys see in the photo. You could be right but me, personally, I'm not sure. Sure looks like a loaded mag. Maybe I need stronger glasses.

And I still come away with this. So what? No one threatening violence. Protest is passionate and these people are probably desperate and out of work. And pi$$ed off.

And their carry is legal. MI is an open carry state and these guys are legal. Bad law? Bad state? Saber rattling. That's about it. Think things are a bit weird in MI anyway.

Nazzis are the kooks, unhinged, nut jobs. How can I live in a country that allows these cretins to crawl out from the slime? These guys are the enemy. Not the gun demonstrators with bad judgment.

Kooks give responsible gun owners a bad name? Doubt it.

Re camping: N. AZ, Utah, S. Colorado, JZ. It's all good. Just don't know what's open. Heard there are road blocks getting into Durango -- if you don't live there, no go. Sad.

Armed and Dangerous

MrBillM - 4-18-2020 at 09:48 AM

Count me as one of those with a varied moderately-sized collection of handguns, rifles and shotguns and a significant supply of ammunition who is a "Pro-Gun" life-member of the NRA.

I am also someone who is continually disturbed by what I think are these counter-productive shows of armed force. Especially, by those who often dress up in SWAT gear as if they are planning to begin their assault against the government that day armed with assault rifles.

Whatever these "nutcases" rationalize in defense of their "Constitutional Rights" and the like, they are clearly making a provocative statement regarding their potential threat as a force to be reckoned with should they decide the government has over-reached.

In doing so, the ONLY thing that they are accomplishing is reinforcing a stereotype, worrying many undecideds who "might" be on their side of many Second-Amendment issues and feeding the opposition media footing to exploit.

Thuggish behavior only convinces others that you're a thug.

Paco Facullo - 4-18-2020 at 10:08 AM

True Patriots,,,,, exercising their God given American Rights !!!

LancairDriver - 4-18-2020 at 10:09 AM

I fall into the category of a collector and user with a collection of 50 long guns and handguns from a Barrett M82A1 50 cal to a .17 cal and handguns from 454 Cassell to .22 cal. with plenty of ammo to match.
I am a Strong 2nd amendment supporter and don’t visibly carry for show and unnecessarily try to intimidate the snowflakes.

Pacifico - 4-18-2020 at 11:06 AM

And here are more protesters:

[Edited on 4-17-2020 by mtgoat666]

Hmmmmm…….I'd bet good money this guy is Antifa. Scum of the earth!

Lee - 4-18-2020 at 11:29 AM

Must be perspective. When I think thugs I think cartel.

If I was going to the demo and I heard the nazziss would be there, and they might be armed? Damn tooting I'd be there armed to the teeth.

Now, my Daddy would say, Son, don't have a round in the chamber.

And, do it to them before they do it to you.

Neo-nazziss are thugs and need to be put away. Don't read anyone objecting to scum showing up with heil bullshlt. But the guns disturb you? Geeze.

God Bless America.

mtgoat666 - 4-18-2020 at 05:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo

True Patriots,,,,, exercising their God given American Rights !!!

Their god-given right to die, eh?

This covid-19 chit is real. You got to be a dumb flock to not want society to flatten the curve. You got to be a dumb flock to not be willing to experience a few months of inconvenience for the sake of public health.

Paco Facullo - 4-18-2020 at 05:55 PM