Mexico Re-open?

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by pascuale   By the look of things it seems that the outbreak has been fairly well controlled... Let's continue this conversation in three weeks.

Quote: Originally posted by pascuale

When do you you think the country will re-open to travel again? Any thoughts? So far our flights to SJDC were cancelled in June. Hopefully things get better and borders will open for travel by the end of July.

Time Will Tell

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed

BUT, knowing how efficient nature is, I sense the beginning of herd immunity in some regions.

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM

As noted, the infection rate will lag the reopened activities by weeks and the spread of infection resulting from tourist activities (depending on behavior) will be distributed in varying degrees to wherever they live or travel. Things could go either way. This will be a good time to wait and observe. Let others sample the swamp for 'gators. [Edited on 4-19-2020 by MrBillM]

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Masks don't do anything but make you feel like you are a cowboy

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   The only data we have is that COVID-19 is a mild flu like virus The great thing about USA and Mexico is that both countries allow you to be wrong. Good thing mommy and daddy gave you money, because you are too dumb to make your own. Go lick a door knob an the covid-19 ward, and show us how the disease is so mild. Hope you’re right!

You make this false accusation often, for years now, I don't respond to your idiocy usually because it takes too much of time to dismantle your false world view, but since you lie and insult me and my family, I will explain something to you, to try to get it through your thick skull, since you promote false narratives here, constantly, maybe one day you will learn, but I doubt it, you will continue to repeat false narratives and insult people because that's your modus operandi.

I come from a family that was poor, at times we were very poor, but we would look in the cupboards and find something to eat. I learned how to cook for very little money and even did long term experiments to cook for myself for less than $3 a day. But maybe we weren't poor, I'll never know. Today I can cook for 10-20 people for under $20. I made pizzas at church today in Baja.

Both my parents worked to support us and invited many other poor people to live with us as well, including foster kids, my grandparents and aunts and uncles. There were 20 people living in the house. 100 kids would visit because we lived next the high school. After sports meets competitors were invited to come over and we found a way to feed them. I played four sports and so did my sisters. I shared my bedroom with three people. My mother went back to school after having 6 kids, became a doctor and went to work with a practice supporting 16 other doctors. My mom, imagine that she completed her doctorate with 4 kids in diapers, plus 5 more troubled kids with their own issues living with us and she worked her whole life?

My father told us he would never give us money or leave us money when he died. No Surprise when he died he didn't leave us any money! It went to charity. We have always needed to work and find a way to finance our lives , he would try to help, but we couldn't rely on him. My father believed that, perceived propensity to receive gifts inversely affects desire to work and save money.

I began to work and earn money when I was 5 years, I worked in a church nursery for kids and and did that all the way through high school in addition to many other simultaneous jobs, bussing tables, teaching sailing etc. When I went to college I bragged I worked to save the money, and my parents asked me not say anything because it was considered illegal to force kids to work in some societies.

My father believed that people's expectations to receive gifted money reduced their desire to work and save money and caused more harm than good. So gifting money or leaving trust to kids doesn't help them, I agree, it hurts them, though some need a leg up, and people should contribute at least 10% of their earnings to community support to support the destitute. He promised us when he died he would donate any remaining savings to the community, churches etc. And he did, we had a great memorial at the church. Many people, more than 100 who had been destitute at times that he gave a leg up to by offering work and mentored, who later succeeded on becoming independent, came to speak, some were lawyers and doctors. They aren't going to give me any money either. My mother and father were very successful, but they didn't gift money to their children. I am happy and feel lucky that they didn't gift me money and ruin my desire to work. I have a best friend who inherited a lot of money and he isn't very happy he never worked so he is not actualized and fulfilled.

My father always had a list of chores and anyone who wanted to work can earn some extra money. He said anyone who finds themselves in a position when they don't have enough money to live, is guilty of poor planning and lack of initiative.

When I went to college, I had my money saved, so did my all my brothers and sisters. I continued to work in college. I budgeted each quarter and never was short of money to eat, pay rent, pay for gas of pay tuition. I had an entertainment budget for movies, books, and hobbies.

To this day, I am not poor and not rich, but I budget and have money saved and invested, sometimes I take time off to enjoy my time in Baja, sometimes I work remotely in Baja as a consultant. I rebuild old cars, motorcycles and quads for fun. I built my house in Baja. I don't buy new cars, I just rebuilt my motors myself. When I went to buy the parts in Baja, the store had the original receipts in parts boxes they from the previous inflationary days. The parts had receipts for millions of pesos inside. I paid a few thousand pesos for all the parts. Haha

To keep busy during the quarantine I assigned myself a project. I found an old quad under a tree destroyed by rats and animals, I rebuilt it for less than 2000mn or about $75-80. My buddies and I are hand building a race car from all found parts. We are almost done and we will race Dos Mares and if we don't crash we will sell the car and then do it again.

I never received a trust from my parents nor financial gifts nor even Christmas or birthday gifts unless they are handmade because we don't believe in buying gifts and doing so is against my family values. I don't gift money to people either, but I do offer work for those who want to earn some money.

Goat, you lie all the time apparently because you are ignorant, and not particularly curious enough to consider your world view is based on false narratives that you are too lazy to validate. Goat you insulted the values and reputation of me and my deceased Father, and you insult people here with your lazy, ignorant commentary.

No response required, use your time to do some of the hard work to become a better person.





















[Edited on 4-21-2020 by gnukid]

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

No spike of illness in Japan https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/20/national/corona...

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

US Decreasing number of infections https://healthweather.us/

Skipperjackerflapper, my ol' nemesis,

Simple summary, Pandemic was predicted, never happened, and today, April 20th 2020 we are over the hump of potential for Pandemic in this case, isolation and quarantine are not justified, nor were they ever, according to all data, either in the past or present.

I clearly stated "make up your own mind" "Recall, every day is different, we learn more every day, some of these articles are weeks old so their conclusions are based on data that has changed." Meaning, the articles show a timeline, an evolution of available data and thought from pandemic to mild flu-like virus with little risk or impact, less than common cold and common flu.

But, now, I am according to SJ I responsible for reversing sourced past articles, because he can't wrap his head around critical thinking to interpret each sourced article across the COVID-19 landscape, a timeline, note changes from the article's authors perspective on the date written to today's date? Even though the Neo liberal acceptable justification for all poor decisions is, "we don't know" so you need to isolate and alter your life long behavior, i.e. Fauci, SkipJack, et al.

SJ insinuates it's my job to compare and contrast Flu A, B, 8 Corona viruses, 2 strains of Covid-19, and put a red bow on it for him, because Skipjack can't fathom a Flu landscape, especially without morbid sensational exaggerations, because today, Flu vs COVID-19, looked individually or together, no pandemic any where in the world. In hindsight, today, COVID-19 has had less impact than the common flu?

I clearly state to you the point is make up your mind, there is an evolution of data and conclusion across a timeline, it was confusing and complex, now less so, we are not where we were, a year ago, 6 months, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, and demographics are different, countries health systems vary, etc.

The more that the populations are infected, meaning the higher percentage of people infected, more than 50% infected today according to some recent studies, the more herd immunity, and less potential for future increased number of infections and less risk of impact.

Review data, refer to sources, make an analysis and make your point? Do not project your convoluted backwards the present is not the past concepts on me, I KNOW October 15th is a long time ago in the world of pathogens and demographics, that is the point.

Gnukid 36 points, 33 sources, critical analysis on point, thesis justified by data, polite engagement, 3 rebuttals.
Goat 0 points, no sources, 1 insult and hyperbole, no sources, no references
Skipjack 0 point, 1 source, failed to acknowledge the low number of deaths versus infections in Japan, COVID-19 is in the family of flu-like viruses, and that no increases comparing and contrasting common Flu A, B to COVID-19, nor in overall flu like infections and deaths has been observed globally or regionally in hindsight.






[Edited on 4-21-2020 by gnukid]

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

Got it hand it to you Gnukid. You really know how to mislead people This article: Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   No spike of illness in Japan https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/20/national/corona... is titled "Japan was expecting a coronavirus explosion. Where is it?". It was published March 18. A month later we get this from the BBC: "Coronavirus: Japan doctors warn of health system 'break down' as cases surge" April 18 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52336388 Why did you quote outdated information and not from the day before yesterday? Next - You provide a link to the decreasing number of infections in the US. Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   US Decreasing number of infections https://healthweather.us/ This article has nothing to do with coronavirus infections. It plots seasonal flu infections. ----------------- These are the only two links I looked up in a mass of links you provided. Both were provided to support a narrative that they don't support at all. Why do you do this sort of thing?

Anyone engaging in the discussion, presumably of efficacy of successful health policy versus failed is shameful!

We should lynch anyone who questions the radical ideas of isolation as health policy!

Discourse to encourage reopening business and end isolation, since it is not supported by any data, is partisan!

We need to isolate though no data supports that the theory that delay of contact is a successful health policy to combat virus. Even though, humans engage viruses daily and this is the healthy human state. A healthy person will encounter the COVID19 virus at some point, even though its not airborne according to WHO, unless they isolate in a glass bubble, and they will develop antibodies and recover, their antibodies and mRNA will support herd immunity, Although, isolation, "flatten the curve" memes, delay are not a beneficial strategy. Isolation and resulting abandonment is the "policy" of Fauci, because "we just don't know”?

Even if we do know, the human condition requires we have social contact, work, engage each other biologically, to succeed on earth in a homeostasis with plants and animals, we should isolate, since we just don’t know!






[Edited on 4-21-2020 by gnukid]

Interesting that the same people in the USA promote the death of 40k a year of highly stressed, isolated and abandoned geriatrics, who coincidentally had presence of flu associated virus, OVER and above the disappearance of nearly 1 million children, the feminicide of untold women, far more death from preventable health issues generally caused by processed foods, and low quality diet.

Suspiciously, these self promoting, octogenarians, also decry carbon dioxide as the source of all life on earth, and would sever the symbiotic relationship of plants, flowers, animals and humans by limiting access to life giving CO2 though arbitrary fines and taxes, presumably in order to kill plants in order to make themselves appear more important?

The pseudo virtue signaling illerati, people like Goat and Skipjack, here among us, pose as good guys, while fail to step up to the plate to do actual good in the face of evil, when it comes down to it, worse, the psuedo do-gooders align strategies in hiding with evil doers, to provide cover and support.

So, there is not good and evil, there are four types of people, bad guys in public, bad guys in hiding, pseudo good guys who in effect support bad guys, and actual good guys.

Which one are you? Are you macho bad, timid bad, fake good, or real good. When will you stand up for truly good ethics, morals, logic and use critical thinking to dismantle logical fallacy to support tyrannical polices that cause far more harm than good, for control, power, and financial gain on the backs of others.

Showdown at sunset on Main Street. Be there!

These photos are of our roof in Baja. This represents silent, calm respectful, joyous action to do good and not spew idiocy, nor harm others. We generate more power than we can use, grid tied, meaning we contribute to the community, and are no burden to society while freely running AC, lights, fans, hot water, ice machines, gardens, electric cars ad inifitum.

I'm calling out the harmful hypocrisy of Nomad pseudo virtue signalers who cause far more harm than good, and perhaps are the most dangerous enemy to our communities.

What are you doing to help? Seriously? Crickets...






[Edited on 4-21-2020 by gnukid]

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Must be tough to endure so much anger . I will now enjoy some avocado toast, try not to let it upset you. [Edited on 4-20-2020 by pacificobob]

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

People can increase their ability to fight a virus through exposure to others who recuperated, a recent study of Covid-19 antibodies in a disunited population at Stanford showed more than 50% infection and recovery rate in populations tested, with mild or no symptoms in practically all people who tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies. Based on that study and the timeline, in consideration of typical flu seasons, we are likely past the %50 infected population rate in BCS, with increased ability to fight the virus, while on the ground evidence shows very few or none with complications, those who dies had pre-existing cofactors for premorbidity health conditions, it's unclear whether their deaths were as a result of complications from COVID19 or coincidental. The only data we have is that COVID-19 is a mild flu like virus, China studies have similar outcomes in hindsight, no pandemic and very little risk to populations. But, Goat and his Fauci type cohorts would prefer to hype the unknown, based on models since "we just don't know" we need to alter our way of life, isolate, while even those requirements are not supported by any data, and isolation puts far more people at risk of mental and physical health and death. Who studies show COVID-19 is not airborne, masks don't do anything but make you feel like you are a cowboy, they actually increase health problems for those who are compromised, by reducing ability to expel bacterias, and breathe, and for those who are healthy engaging the virus gradually is needed to building anti bodies. Isolation is a theory! Isolation can delay, "to flatten the curve", it sounds like Weight Watcher's theory? Delay the inevitable, is not a health plan, delay while isolating and abandoning seniors and cutting off access to food, jobs, community, and social contact has caused more deaths and provides no benefit to individuals nor communities to build healthy immunity. Fauci, has made serious errors, by promoting isolation, shutting down the economy, and provided no discourse on valid approaches to build health and wellness and common sense approaches to fight viruses, such as complete diet, with 90 essential vitamins, minerals, and amino acids, exercise, going outside, breathing fresh air, taking in sunshine, and engaging in social contact. [Edited on 4-20-2020 by gnukid]

True that the pineapple wars that the USA has proliferated to invade countless islands and kill in the name of Dole to control farming of pineapples, bananas and avocados is truly an example of severe harm based on hypocritical ideologies that destroyed diversity of plant life, created a system of farming that is harmful and all for profit and control.

The pineapple wars are not unlike the COVID-19 false pandemic, a false threat is promoted, cue virtue signaling, preplanned, simulated controlled, predictions of looming crisis that doesn't actually exist. In effect creating a crisis, to manifest a reason to get wide support for radical and destructive change. In the end, harming each of us, reducing our independence, reducing our overall health, liberty for cartel control of food, medicine, and to compromise health and wellness.

Monopolisitc cartel control does not benefit communities, no data justifies, CDC, WHO, or Dole for monopolistic, harmful, control over food and health for profit and control that leaves us exposed to false crisis, and unable to support ourselves as needed.

My banana bread would be more nutritious with more diverse bananas, that have seeds and are not Dole GMO.





[Edited on 4-21-2020 by gnukid]

Abstracts of studies I shared, each include source references, while not my own, I make no claims, nor profess to be a medical professional.

Each of you are capable of calmly choosing to read or not, make up your mind, further evolve your own thesis and arrive at some point with more clarity than before, as opposed to chaotic, "we just don't know," justification for isolation and altered human behavior that goes against the values of liberty, independence, invention, rebelliousness, health, wellness and strength our Countrie(s), were founded on.

I like pizza.

[Edited on 4-20-2020 by gnukid]

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Gnukid 36 points, 33 sources, critical analysis on point, thesis justified by data, polite engagement, 3 rebuttals. Goat 0 points, no sources, 1 insult and hyperbole, no sources, no references Skipjack 0 point, 1 source, failed to acknowledge the low number of deaths versus infections in Japan, COVID-19 is in the family of flu-like viruses, and that no increases comparing and contrasting common Flu A, B to COVID-19, nor in overall flu like infections and deaths has been observed globally or regionally in hindsight.

Funny. I knew I shouldn't have stuck my nose into this. You make your points and congratulate yourself. All rolled into one. The speaker and the audience. Having read your posts here for years I can say you're one of a kind. A lot of verbiage with little to show for it.

I'm just curious. Obviously you didn't gather all these links to answer the posts here. You must've been collecting articles for weeks that supported your world view because there is lots of unrelated and dated information. And then you just threw them on the screen hoping that, what, we were going to spend time figuring out what applies to corona virus and what doesn't? What is old and what is new? But the collection is interesting in that you clearly were interested in a story to discredit the medical experts. This is a strategy you've used over and over. We're all being duped but you, through your incredible intelligence, are providing us the truth, a salvation in the midst of darkness. I've never known anyone quite like that. Thank you for your opinion on this virus but I'll stick to Dr Fauci and the like.

Quote: Originally posted by pascuale

By the look of things it seems that the outbreak has been fairly well controlled in in most areas in comparison to up North. Its incredible reading how some towns like Los Barriles are handling things . When do you you think the country will re-open to travel again?

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   Gnukid 36 points, 33 sources, critical analysis on point, thesis justified by data, polite engagement, 3 rebuttals. Goat 0 points, no sources, 1 insult and hyperbole, no sources, no references Skipjack 0 point, 1 source, failed to acknowledge the low number of deaths versus infections in Japan, COVID-19 is in the family of flu-like viruses, and that no increases comparing and contrasting common Flu A, B to COVID-19, nor in overall flu like infections and deaths has been observed globally or regionally in hindsight. Funny. I knew I shouldn't have stuck my nose into this. You make your points and congratulate yourself. All rolled into one. The speaker and the audience. Having read your posts here for years I can say you're one of a kind. A lot of verbiage with little to show for it. I'm just curious. Obviously you didn't gather all these links to answer the posts here. You must've been collecting articles for weeks that supported your world view because there is lots of unrelated and dated information. And then you just threw them on the screen hoping that, what, we were going to spend time figuring out what applies to corona virus and what doesn't? What is old and what is new? But the collection is interesting in that you clearly were interested in a story to discredit the medical experts. This is a strategy you've used over and over. We're all being duped but you, through your incredible intelligence, are providing us the truth, a salvation in the midst of darkness. I've never known anyone quite like that. Thank you for your opinion on this virus but I'll stick to Dr Fauci and the like.

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

So, give it a shot, anyone, Bueller, what up muh virus.

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   So, give it a shot, anyone, Bueller, what up muh virus. Have you ever wondered why no one invites you to parties? Verbosity, pomposity, and boorishness are not endearing qualities. "If you can't define your position, explain, and defend it in a few sentences at a c-cktail party, you've already lost the argument." - Dr. Arthur Laffer That was sage advice given out by Dr. Arthur Laffer at the beginning of all his courses when he was professor at USC business school in the early 80's. I studied two semesters under him, and received an "A" in both courses. Good luck finding someone to debate you, you're gonna need it. John [Edited on 4-21-2020 by John Harper]

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Anyone have analysis to support or deny Pandemic?

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   Anyone have analysis to support or deny Pandemic? 42,000 US dead in the last two months. Draw your own conclusions. John

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   Anyone have analysis to support or deny Pandemic? 42,000 US dead in the last two months. Draw your own conclusions. John

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

36,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Tragic, and often preventable. 42,000 deaths in two months means 250,000 deaths annualized. Also tragic. Yet more reasonably preventable. John

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

Sorry John... it's 72,000 deaths related to Alcohol.

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

As of this morning, there are 799,619 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the USA. There are 42,906 deaths. This is a mortality rate of 5.4%, or nearly 4000% of the mortality rate for seasonal flu. Granted, the mortality rate will lower once we actually have wide-spread infection testing and antibody testing, but whatever the infection rate, the death toll from covid-19 will exceed that of the seasonal flu in it's worst year. Now the right winged idiots are getting ready to open up some states and we will see a surge of infection and death rates in those states in about two weeks. Sad we have such dismal leadership in the USA that is more focused on shifting blame than solving the problem. But I suppose you have to thin the stupid out of the gene pool, and here we are. [Edited on 4-21-2020 by BajaMama]

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   Sorry John... it's 72,000 deaths related to Alcohol. Okay, 72,000 annually versus 250,000. Still a factor of nearly 4. At least the virus is attenuated by our social distancing and hygenic procedures. Just because I have not had losses in my life due to alcohol does not mean I have no experience with life's tragedies. Suicide of a close friend and another friend's wife brutally murdered. Are you trying to arrange a pity party? No RSVP from me. Life is not always rainbows and unicorns. We all have our crosses to bear. You of all people should know that. John

Coronavirus: San Clemente Fills Skate Park with 37 Tons of Sand to Block Skaters



MX clearly does not know how to handle crisis. Nobody does. Government least of all. San Clemente among the most ignorant government, next to LA and San Diego.

Surfing is a crime? Skateboarding is a crime? Too much government, not enough responsibility for citizens to share.

I heard Santa Cruz opened it's beaches last week, distancing is enforced by police, among others, encouraging people to stay apart, no citations, etc. Wow. What an enlightened approach.

Seeing a lot of panic and fear including posts screaming fear and anxiety. One size fits all for this crowd. Make sure your mask fits properly while driving your car.

I drove around BCS last Friday, early, I saw people sitting outside talking stores open, people at work, farmers, ranchers, no masks, during the drive, except people with masks inside their cars? Police nd government types, etc. Then, in the middle of nowhere, I mean really remote, I happened upon a blockade, before 8am, there were sure they weren't going to let me pass, because I was a foreigner, no mater that I was older had lived in the area longer, own property, etc. am 100% integrated, they literally had a card with color gradients, pass do not pass, for light skin people, and they said even I passed they would come after me and they were angry, there were more women than men. I knew I wasn't going to pass, so I stayed calm and broke it down with them, they were basing knowingly unlawfully blocking me for racist discriminatory reasons, (Como El Gringo Loco Fauci). I noted that I would not go against them, but they should be aware, anyone can make an argument they blocked food and medicine from passing based on racist discrimination and in doing so they could each be held financially and criminally liable with penalties, if someone else, an extended family member senior or chid for example, who did not receive medicine or food died regardless of whether they had even attempted to pass, that they had broken the Ley organica de estates unidos de Mexico de liberated and that denunciation are already on the desk of the procurador being decided that those that blocked others from freedom to work, get food or medicine would be help liable. That not only was this whole cabal bad, and clearly few are sick, very few died, we have no data to show a relationship or cause of from COVID-19, and that now, our community paid a high cost for a fraud, and the second double whammy is coming financial responsibilities for municipalities and individual for acting unlawfully to restrict constitutional protected liberty from the tip of Mexico to USA, to Canada to Alaska, now we will have a second wave of financial costs due to the unraveling of the fraudulent promoted pandemic that had no data or justification, nor lawful decry to support its existence.

I got a call later, from extended families, (everyone is related but not friends, haha ohhh nooo) the ladies and their husbands at the blockade fought all day over their blockade, and the money lost and the chance of more money lost, and no food and medicine related shortages, all because people are making a fake argument because they are too lazy to work, but want to be paid, and they tore it down abandoned the blockade and said now I can pass, and they tore down other T intersection blockades and now everyone is blaming the other person for the blockades because they are afraid of the denucias coming, but they receded to deeper positions into pueblos and the mountain dirt roads, where there is no cell and they put dirt and rocks in the road.

Yesterday, more locals passed through the whole region, they said no blockade and mom and pop stores are opening, hardware and feed shops, but there remains an undercurrent of people mad about opening the blockades, but it seems they just don't want to work, but they want to continue to be paid, (like Delgado politicians), since many cases require to continue paying workers who don't work.

Yesterday I went to Chedraui, and every day they want to spray me with a bunch or different disinfectants and everyday I say oh I am allergic and I can't trust you so I am going to spray you instead because I trust my self and I am using name brand disinfectant but yours are in unmarked spray bottles, and they kind look me and agree and let me pass without spraying me with the poisons, I also explained that every single person who enters now has a case against the store and them as individuals for poisoning them.

Today I went to chedruai, and as I walk up to enter, they closed the door and only open enough to allow one at a time to enter and there were multiple people there with a megaphone and cameras, and security, saying it is now obligatory to be sprayed and wear gloves and a mask. But I just walked up said no thank you, I am allergic, and entered again. Now I am going to enter again and see what happens when I refuse the poison and a used mask and used gloves from a box?

I'll see if I can get a science talk going out front to break down the thought process versus blindly obeying some tyrannical illogical decree meme theme.






[Edited on 4-21-2020 by gnukid]

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

I drove around BCS last Friday, early, I saw people sitting outside talking stores open, people at work, farmers, ranchers, no masks, during the drive, except people with masks inside their cars? Police nd government types, etc. Then in the middle of nowhere, I mean really remote, I happened upon a blockade, before 8am, there were sure they weren't going to let me pass, because I was a foreigner, no mater that I was older had lived in the area longer, own property, etc. am 100% integrated, they literally had a card with color gradients, pass do not pass, for light skin people, and they said even I passed they would come after me and they were angry, there were more women than men. I knew I wasn't going to pass, so I stayed calm and broke it down with them they were basing knowingly unlawfully blocking me for racist discriminatory reasons. I noted that I would not go against them , bu they should be aware, anyone can make an argument they blocked food and medicine from passing and in doing so they could each be held financially and criminally liable with penalties, that they had broken the Ley organica de estates unidos de Mexico and that denunciation are already on the desk of the procurator being decided that those that blocked others from freedom to work, get food or medicine would be help liable. That not only was this whole cabal bad, and clearly few are sick, very few died, we have no data to show a relationship or cause of from COVID-19 and that now, our community paid a high costs for a fraud, and the second double whammy is coming financial responsibilities for municipalities in individual for acting unlawfully to restrict constitutional protected liberty from the tip of Mexico to USA, to Canada to Alaska, now we will a second wave of financial costs due to the unraveling of the fraudulent promoted pandemic that had no data or justification to support its existence. I got a call later, the ladies and their husbands at the blockade fought all day over their blockade and they tore it down abandoned it, and at other T intersection, but they receded to deeper into pueblos and the mountain dirt roads, where there is no cell and they put dirt and rocks in the road. Yesterday, more locals passed through the whole region they said no blockade and mom and pop stores are opening but there remains an undercurrent of people mad about opening the blockades but it seems they just don't want to work but they want to continue to be paid, since many cases require to continue paying workers who don't work. Yesterday I went to Chedraui, and every day they want to spray me with a bunch or different disinfectants and everyday I say oh I can't trust you so I am going to spray you instead because Itrust my self and I am using name brand disinfectant but yours are in unmarked spray bottles, and they kind look me and agree and let me pass without spraying me with the poisons, I also explained that every single person who enters now has a case against the store and the individuals for poisoning them. Today I went to chedruai, and as I walk up to enter, they close the door and only enough to allow one at a time to enter and there multiple people there with a megaphone and cameras, saying it is obligatory to be sprayed ad were gloves and a mask. But I just walked up said no thank you and entered again. Now I am going to enter again and see what happens when I refuse the poison and a used mask and used gloves from a box? I'll see if I can science talk going to break down the thought process versus blindly obeying some tyrannical illogical decree. [Edited on 4-21-2020 by gnukid] [Edited on 4-21-2020 by gnukid]

why dont you make your point by licking the door knobs? show everyone it is safe. please post videos of your door knob licking

i feel sorry for the locals having to endure your lectures and preaching of nonsense you read on the fringes of the internet

Quote: Originally posted by chippy

Gnu do you truley believe that all those deaths in Europe,New York and now CDMX and TJ are fake or somehow normal? If yes you are one ffed up individual. Your gringo physco behavier should be taken north (better mental hospitals). You are bad for gringos like me who live here full time. Please stop posting your bs. Its boring.

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

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Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

Well John the 'models' show we won't get much past 60,000 of your point. Not 250,000 fake news.

Quote: Originally posted by Alm

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   ... Boring indeed. 9,500 coronavirus confirmed deaths in NYC, plus 4500 suspected deaths. This is in 3 months only. 4800 death of flu in the same NYC in entire year 2018.

Gnu - anymore pictures of the...............pizza? Asking for a friend.

Goat you mad bro? Everyone here is more healthy and appears younger. We grow our own food, we eat well, fresh foods, locally sourced, every day is better and better, with clarity there is NO pandemic, we are not young, but we are happy and we share our tranquil, joy, peace and love for community with everyone. Peace to you! Be blessed and enjoy this beautiful day and evening.





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Everyone here is more healthy and appears younger.l

You crack me up!

Can't. Stop. Eating. Washing. Car. Again.



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Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   Well John the 'models' show we won't get much past 60,000 of your point. Not 250,000 fake news. That's speculation, we're only two months into this, with no prior experience. Alcohol related deaths have been tracked for years. 250,00 is not fake news, it's just a simple extrapolation of existing data over the last two months. A complete (and successful) ban on alcohol would radically alter your DD numbers as well. Social isolation is a similar tactic geared toward lowering CV deaths and not overwhelming our healthcare services. Local DD penalties, local alcohol bans, and social isolation orders are examples of "police powers" that are in the Constitution. Closing the beaches is sadly, Constitutional. I don't like it either, but I respect our Constitution. Bring a case to the Supreme Court if you can. Okay, let's divide 72,000 by 6 (12,000) and compare that to the two months of coronavirus deaths (42,000). Two months versus two months. Fair enough? 42,000 versus 12,000. Again, almost a factor of 4. It took far less drunk driving deaths to drastically increase DD penalties and bring about the creation of MADD. I remember when drunk driving was pretty much seen as not that big of a deal, don't you? Cops used to even drive people home that they found drunk driving, depending on who you were. My dad had a rich rancher friend who frequently got driven home by the sheriff's department. That's still probably true to some extent even today, but we all know a DD charge is serious, more serious than in the past. As it should be. John [Edited on 4-22-2020 by John Harper]

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As I said before, Cuomo's statement of 'if it saves one life it is worth it' can be applied to most all cases of death. Is that the standard we want to base the governments/political will upon? Tyranny can't be that easy...unless we are.

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Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   As I said before, Cuomo's statement of 'if it saves one life it is worth it' can be applied to most all cases of death. Is that the standard we want to base the governments/political will upon? Tyranny can't be that easy...unless we are. I guess the Marines and SEAL's concept of "leave no man behind" is just as silly? These guys risk their lives to retrieve dead bodies. Is that stupid as well? Isn't that concept the same as what drives the anti-abortion forces? That every unborn fetus/child is worth saving? What price do you want us to put on human lives? Does the economy become more important after an "arbitrary" loss of life? What number do you think is appropriate against what burden? John

....... and these idjits claim to be pro life.....

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Gnu - anymore pictures of the...............pizza? Asking for a friend.

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gnukid, peeps with your way of thinking are about to open several states in the USA. Many will die. Same happened with the Spanish flu. Some of us learn from history, some are blind and ignorant.

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Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama   gnukid, peeps with your way of thinking are about to open several states in the USA. Many will die. Same happened with the Spanish flu. Some of us learn from history, some are blind and ignorant. Really? 1918? Just like 1918? Do you live your life like 1918? That's the big threat? Just like 1918? It won't even be like this next year. Get a grip.

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Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama   gnukid, peeps with your way of thinking are about to open several states in the USA. Many will die. Same happened with the Spanish flu. Some of us learn from history, some are blind and ignorant. Really? 1918? Just like 1918? Do you live your life like 1918? That's the big threat? Just like 1918? It won't even be like this next year. Get a grip. Already being predicted for winter.

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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH   When cold weather sets in, people tend to congregate indoors causing airborne infectious diseases to spread. Hence the seasonal aspect of the flu viral outbreaks. I highly encourage Trump supporters attend his rallies in crowded indoor venues. [Edited on 4-22-2020 by SFandH] Just scored $135 R/T tixs from TJ to Cancun for November

met an old friend - he is looking forward to the re-open.

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A large percentage of deaths in the fall 1918 flu pandemic occurred in healthy adults in their 20s, 30, and 40s with strong immune systems. What killed them was their immune systems. They had such a strong immune response in their lungs the secretions of the immune system prevented the alveoli from absorbing oxygen and transferring it to the blood. Whole-body cyanosis set in. They essentially drowned in their own juices.

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met an old friend - he is looking forward to the re-open.

That guy in black definitely is.

China has provided a template for reopening: gradual back to work without reopening the country borders. They have unlimited control over the country policies and enforcement, no comparison to Mexico or US. I saw the video of the first train from Hongkong to Wuhan, after 2 months lockdown. All passengers are in masks. It wasn't like - Hallelujah, it's over, let's celebrate. Because it's not over, not going to be for at least several months.

It's a Brave Gnu World

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Sunset Cliffs here in San Diego was crowded for sunset and everyone's waiting for the beaches to open in a day or two. Mission trails and parks are open for walking now also. Maybe Mexico will have the benefit of observing how it goes here and if it goes well, then they will follow suit in a few weeks or so.

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The US is most certainly going to go through a very painful and slow recovery and Mexico will probably have an even harder time ever getting back to even with the price of oil so low and tourism nearly zero. But something tells me that the average American is going to complain a lot more than the average Mexican. South of the border people are much more accustomed to dealing with and adapting to a bad hand of cards and while they won't be as well off financially, I really believe that they'll be a lot happier overall in dealing with whatever lies ahead. We Americans are spoiled and are not well equipped to deal with this as our parents and grandparents were a century ago.