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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 03:38 AM
Mexico Re-open?


By the look of things it seems that the outbreak has been fairly well controlled in in most areas in comparison to up North. Its incredible reading how some towns like Los Barriles are handling things .

When do you you think the country will re-open to travel again? Any thoughts? So far our flights to SJDC were cancelled in June. Hopefully things get better and borders will open for travel by the end of July.
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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 06:39 AM


I have doubts that Mexico will be very open for travel/visitors until a vaccine is available.
All are at risk until a vaccine is available, and I would not expect to see a vaccine until end of 2020 at the earliest...




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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 07:06 AM


Not controlled:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/578-new-covid-1...
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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 09:13 AM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by pascuale  
By the look of things it seems that the outbreak has been fairly well controlled...
:O

Let's continue this conversation in three weeks. ;)


Correct. My neighbors and friends here feel that the next month will be way worse. What worries me about the precautions, or lack of such by a culture that fails to know why seatbelts sould be used in automobiles.
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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 09:16 AM


Today:

7497 Covid-19 cases in Mex.

650 dead.



One month ago they had 118 cases.

Zero deaths.



Something tells me testing ain't happening.


Let's let this play out a tad more until re-opening. We seem to have a very short attention span. Keep humans on lock down for few more weeks and see where the scientific numbers lead us.

I do think we should reopen beaches to walk on. Anyone close to others should get a ticket.

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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 09:22 AM


Cases seem to go up about 10% every day..............in most industrialized nations.
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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 09:41 AM


expect the earliest relaxation about 80 days after the first 100 cases.
BCS had the first 100 a few days ago.
That is relaxation - not opening.
Locals and police have been quite aggressive with anyone not obeying the stay at home order.
Single track or remote beaches?
Good luck!
Mexican authorities love to confiscate vehicles.




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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 09:46 AM


this will give you an idea of first 100 plus 80 days development https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-confirmed-cases-sin...



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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 09:47 AM


Quote: Originally posted by pascuale  


When do you you think the country will re-open to travel again? Any thoughts? So far our flights to SJDC were cancelled in June. Hopefully things get better and borders will open for travel by the end of July.


Here is an update from MX newspaper on SJD airport (not SJDC).

https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/cierran-la-terminal-2-de-aeropuer...

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https://airportcod.es/
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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 09:47 AM
Time Will Tell


As noted, the infection rate will lag the reopened activities by weeks and the spread of infection resulting from tourist activities (depending on behavior) will be distributed in varying degrees to wherever they live or travel.

Things could go either way. This will be a good time to wait and observe. Let others sample the swamp for 'gators.

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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 10:24 AM


Anecdote; from 10,000 ft
Been reading about random testing for antibodies.
Trend shows more antibody presence than estimated from models.
Tells me the asymptomatic aspect of Covid is still an unknown.
BUT, knowing how efficient nature is, I sense the beginning of herd immunity in some regions.




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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 10:34 AM


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BUT, knowing how efficient nature is, I sense the beginning of herd immunity in some regions.


......... or culling, such as #floridamarooons




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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 11:12 AM


Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
As noted, the infection rate will lag the reopened activities by weeks and the spread of infection resulting from tourist activities (depending on behavior) will be distributed in varying degrees to wherever they live or travel.

Things could go either way. This will be a good time to wait and observe. Let others sample the swamp for 'gators.

[Edited on 4-19-2020 by MrBillM]


Always love your smart analysis.

Let’s meet up for an LA Times paper and coffee some day.
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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 11:42 AM


It's important rely on simulations and models promoting fear mongering and disregard on the ground evidence.
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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 07:48 PM


People can increase their ability to fight a virus through exposure to others who recuperated, a recent study of Covid-19 antibodies in a disunited population at Stanford showed more than 50% infection and recovery rate in populations tested, with mild or no symptoms in practically all people who tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies. Based on that study and the timeline, in consideration of typical flu seasons, we are likely past the %50 infected population rate in BCS, with increased ability to fight the virus, while on the ground evidence shows very few or none with complications, those who dies had pre-existing cofactors for premorbidity health conditions, it's unclear whether their deaths were as a result of complications from COVID19 or coincidental.

The only data we have is that COVID-19 is a mild flu like virus, China studies have similar outcomes in hindsight, no pandemic and very little risk to populations.


But, Goat and his Fauci type cohorts would prefer to hype the unknown, based on models since "we just don't know" we need to alter our way of life, isolate, while even those requirements are not supported by any data, and isolation puts far more people at risk of mental and physical health and death.

Who studies show COVID-19 is not airborne, masks don't do anything but make you feel like you are a cowboy, they actually increase health problems for those who are compromised, by reducing ability to expel bacterias, and breathe, and for those who are healthy engaging the virus gradually is needed to building anti bodies.

Isolation is a theory! Isolation can delay, "to flatten the curve", it sounds like Weight Watcher's theory? Delay the inevitable, is not a health plan, delay while isolating and abandoning seniors and cutting off access to food, jobs, community, and social contact has caused more deaths and provides no benefit to individuals nor communities to build healthy immunity.

Fauci, has made serious errors, by promoting isolation, shutting down the economy, and provided no discourse on valid approaches to build health and wellness and common sense approaches to fight viruses, such as complete diet, with 90 essential vitamins, minerals, and amino acids, exercise, going outside, breathing fresh air, taking in sunshine, and engaging in social contact.




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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 08:25 PM


Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Masks don't do anything but make you feel like you are a cowboy


Actually, it made me want to rob the local bank, or the noon stage, or even the 3:15 to Yuma.

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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 08:57 PM


Do your own research, Goat, don't be a lazy internet pontificator who repeats unsupported memes. We don't have the time to hold your hand 24/7 BUT, oh yeah, since you won't research, anything, and just spout sensational fear mongering, I did it for you.

COVID-19 is a mild virus that most people have already had, Fauci and Gates promoted a pandemic and caused far more harm, and death through isolation, unsupported by valid data as justifiable health policy. People who fail to use data, people like GOAT, to guide decision making should absolutely not be making recommendations for health policy and are extremely dangerous to society.

Recall, every day is different, we learn more every day, some of these articles are weeks old so their conclusions are based on data that has changed. Read the articles and consider the timeline evolution, from modeled and predicted Pandemic that never materialized, to data supporting a case for a mild flu. In any case no data supports isolation, nor altering human behavior.
Disabling a single, apparently noncritical protein in cells may foil replication of the viruses that cause half of all common colds, polio and other diseases, according to researchers at Stanford and UCSF.
http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2019/09/in-human-cells...

First ever, Stanford, COVID-19 antibody study suggests, virus is prevalent in test population, is of little risk, benign, mild.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/17/coronavirus-2-5-to-4-...

CDC reviewing stunning test data that shows virus is mild.
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/trending/coronavirus-cdc-reviewi...

Vitamin D and Immunity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs

Curious about vaccine related adverse events? Use the CDC Wonder tool to find numbers of adverse reports for each vaccine type. https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

For example, in the recent period, patients reported 92.967 adverse affects from the INFLUENZA VIRUS VACCINE, TRIVALENT (INJECTED) (FLU3(SEASONAL)) common flu vaccine. In total patients reported 164,487 cases of adverse affects from all influenza vaccine types. There are at least 13 different influenza vaccine types. The data is for the period in USA CDC reporting only.

CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel instructions regarding limitations, states on pg 36-37, "This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens", meaning, generates false positives for COVID-19.
https://www.attogene.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/CDC-RT-P...

COVID-19 tests detected to be infected with Corona Virus. "This shouldn't significantly affect the UK's testing efforts, Government sources told the paper."
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/coronavirus-testing-kit...

Open Letter from Professor Sucharit Bhakdi to German Chancellor Dr. Angela Merkel, noting that countermeasures to COVID19 are not justified, and that regions, such as Italy, vary dramatically in their populations and their ability to manage health care, so using anecdotal data from Italy to justify drastic countermeasures elsewhere is unjustified. How, is a distinction to be made between genuine corona-related deaths and accidental virus presence at the time of death?
https://swprs.org/open-letter-from-professor-sucharit-bhakdi...

The COVID-19 virus has caused ten times fewer infections globally than the common flu causes annually in the US alone. The COVID-19 virus has caused three times fewer deaths globally than the common flu causes annually in the US alone.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu...

No airborne transmission for COVID-19 according to the latest science from WHO.
https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-t...

We're so lucky, Bill Gates pre-simulated the COVID19 plan-demic and he predicted 65 million COVID19 deaths right before the virus was seeded. What uncanny luck! And they predicted"Recent economic studies show that pandemics will be the cause of an average annual economic loss of 0.7% of global GDP—or $570 billion" He must be very lucky to be right on the money, all prepped before the virus was even here, he simulated it and predicted a pandemic that would require a vaccine that he was also funding. Brilliant, if it wasn't so sinister.
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about?fbcli...

Common Sense is a better approach to COVID-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg

More hindsight reports from Italy show that the deaths were mis-categorized by health administrators, citing cause of death as COV19 in a senior population skewing the number of deaths when actual cause of death was preexisting conditions https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-tho... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMSEHmeaNQ&fbclid=IwAR0...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/three-months-into-the-...

Exaggerated attention is placed on the covid19 virus
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/j66j-2020/03/f613d909c86535/...

The history of patented Corona virus is lengthy as various patented viruses have been resold and marketed for years https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/05/outbreak-continues-c...

Covid19 has global biological and economic implications
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdd7dtDaYmM

The percentage of people infected in Wuhan had very few deaths, actually 0.04%
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v...

No more deaths in Italy than previous years, the regions affected have poor air quality, older populations averaging 82.5 years old with existing illnesses, and a history similar patterns of illness
https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html

No spike of illness in Japan
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/20/national/corona...

No increase of illness in Switzerland
https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/punkto-intensivbetten-sind-wir-im...

Demonstrated miscategorization of illnesses as Covid19
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-tho...

UK Study shows little increase in deaths associated with Covid19
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654

French study Covid Sars II predictions of deaths overestimated
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092485792...

Covid no more dangerous than typical flu patterns though increase focus is misleading and causing fear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfb-B0BWmo

Why there is increased pressure on health professionals though no actual increases in illness or deaths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mI9trSm3PY

Corrected data shows the covid19 virus is no more dangerous than the cold or flu with a death resulting in deaths .025%-.625 of infected populations
https://www.niid.go.jp/niid/en/2019-ncov-e/9407-covid-dp-fe-...

US Decreasing number of infections
https://healthweather.us/

EU normal mortality rates or less than average this year
https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html

Wildly different reported infection rates and mortality show political motivations in reporting of Covid19
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Questioning the COVID-19 pandemic with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at Stanford University.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0

Fauci admits to gaming the number of deaths from COVID-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMSEHmeaNQ

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[*] posted on 4-19-2020 at 09:57 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  

The only data we have is that COVID-19 is a mild flu like virus


The great thing about USA and Mexico is that both countries allow you to be wrong.
Good thing mommy and daddy gave you money, because you are too dumb to make your own.
Go lick a door knob an the covid-19 ward, and show us how the disease is so mild. Hope you’re right!

You make this false accusation often, for years now, I don't respond to your idiocy usually because it takes too much of time to dismantle your false world view, but since you lie and insult me and my family, I will explain something to you, to try to get it through your thick skull, since you promote false narratives here, constantly, maybe one day you will learn, but I doubt it, you will continue to repeat false narratives and insult people because that's your modus operandi.

I come from a family that was poor, at times we were very poor, but we would look in the cupboards and find something to eat. I learned how to cook for very little money and even did long term experiments to cook for myself for less than $3 a day. But maybe we weren't poor, I'll never know. Today I can cook for 10-20 people for under $20. I made pizzas at church today in Baja.

Both my parents worked to support us and invited many other poor people to live with us as well, including foster kids, my grandparents and aunts and uncles. There were 20 people living in the house. 100 kids would visit because we lived next the high school. After sports meets competitors were invited to come over and we found a way to feed them. I played four sports and so did my sisters. I shared my bedroom with three people. My mother went back to school after having 6 kids, became a doctor and went to work with a practice supporting 16 other doctors. My mom, imagine that she completed her doctorate with 4 kids in diapers, plus 5 more troubled kids with their own issues living with us and she worked her whole life?

My father told us he would never give us money or leave us money when he died. No Surprise when he died he didn't leave us any money! It went to charity. We have always needed to work and find a way to finance our lives , he would try to help, but we couldn't rely on him. My father believed that, perceived propensity to receive gifts inversely affects desire to work and save money.

I began to work and earn money when I was 5 years, I worked in a church nursery for kids and and did that all the way through high school in addition to many other simultaneous jobs, bussing tables, teaching sailing etc. When I went to college I bragged I worked to save the money, and my parents asked me not say anything because it was considered illegal to force kids to work in some societies.

My father believed that people's expectations to receive gifted money reduced their desire to work and save money and caused more harm than good. So gifting money or leaving trust to kids doesn't help them, I agree, it hurts them, though some need a leg up, and people should contribute at least 10% of their earnings to community support to support the destitute. He promised us when he died he would donate any remaining savings to the community, churches etc. And he did, we had a great memorial at the church. Many people, more than 100 who had been destitute at times that he gave a leg up to by offering work and mentored, who later succeeded on becoming independent, came to speak, some were lawyers and doctors. They aren't going to give me any money either. My mother and father were very successful, but they didn't gift money to their children. I am happy and feel lucky that they didn't gift me money and ruin my desire to work. I have a best friend who inherited a lot of money and he isn't very happy he never worked so he is not actualized and fulfilled.

My father always had a list of chores and anyone who wanted to work can earn some extra money. He said anyone who finds themselves in a position when they don't have enough money to live, is guilty of poor planning and lack of initiative.

When I went to college, I had my money saved, so did my all my brothers and sisters. I continued to work in college. I budgeted each quarter and never was short of money to eat, pay rent, pay for gas of pay tuition. I had an entertainment budget for movies, books, and hobbies.

To this day, I am not poor and not rich, but I budget and have money saved and invested, sometimes I take time off to enjoy my time in Baja, sometimes I work remotely in Baja as a consultant. I rebuild old cars, motorcycles and quads for fun. I built my house in Baja. I don't buy new cars, I just rebuilt my motors myself. When I went to buy the parts in Baja, the store had the original receipts in parts boxes they from the previous inflationary days. The parts had receipts for millions of pesos inside. I paid a few thousand pesos for all the parts. Haha

To keep busy during the quarantine I assigned myself a project. I found an old quad under a tree destroyed by rats and animals, I rebuilt it for less than 2000mn or about $75-80. My buddies and I are hand building a race car from all found parts. We are almost done and we will race Dos Mares and if we don't crash we will sell the car and then do it again.

I never received a trust from my parents nor financial gifts nor even Christmas or birthday gifts unless they are handmade because we don't believe in buying gifts and doing so is against my family values. I don't gift money to people either, but I do offer work for those who want to earn some money.

Goat, you lie all the time apparently because you are ignorant, and not particularly curious enough to consider your world view is based on false narratives that you are too lazy to validate. Goat you insulted the values and reputation of me and my deceased Father, and you insult people here with your lazy, ignorant commentary.

No response required, use your time to do some of the hard work to become a better person.



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[*] posted on 4-20-2020 at 12:19 AM



Got it hand it to you Gnukid. You really know how to mislead people

This article:
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  


No spike of illness in Japan
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/20/national/corona...



is titled "Japan was expecting a coronavirus explosion. Where is it?". It was published March 18.

A month later we get this from the BBC: "Coronavirus: Japan doctors warn of health system 'break down' as cases surge" April 18

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52336388

Why did you quote outdated information and not from the day before yesterday?

Next -

You provide a link to the decreasing number of infections in the US.

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  


US Decreasing number of infections
https://healthweather.us/


This article has nothing to do with coronavirus infections. It plots seasonal flu infections.

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These are the only two links I looked up in a mass of links you provided. Both were provided to support a narrative that they don't support at all. Why do you do this sort of thing?
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Japan has 130M ppl and 236 deaths from Covid-19.





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