Baja, Covid 19, Koch's Postulate, germ theory, and the math

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It's not a binary choice. To make all decisions based on flawed (but the only available) data. OR do nothing. People have to make the best decisions they can based on the scant evidence they can find, and understand. “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.” ― Donald Rumsfeld.

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[ Actually what is required is binary, true or false. Koch's Postulate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates At no time has COVID19 met the definition of disease or illness caused by an isolated microorganism. Koch's postulates of disease. Koch's postulates are the following: 1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms. 2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture. 3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism. 4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.

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No evidence, no causation, nothing. Fallacious logic. zzz

Gnutty Gnudisms

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Anyone can say, Koch's Postulates are not relevant, while they remain the gold standard for identifying that a virus causing illness exists. [Edited on 8-7-2020 by gnukid]

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Anyone can say, Koch's Postulates are not relevant, while they remain the gold standard for identifying that a virus causing illness exists. [Edited on 8-7-2020 by gnukid]

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I'll save you time here Gnuey posts a long word salad explanation that he and a few others on this planet know that we have it all wrong, he and his special freinds know that 400 years of scientific research, proven again and again and again and again, it's all wrong because the crystal lickers invent some new paradigm for how the human body actually works! ignorance is a problem, education is the solution. Unfortunately one who chooses to be Willfully Ignorant" they purposely and repeatedly avoid any information that would educate them and provide understanding. So not only is gnuey Willfully Ignorant - but hes a special class of Willfully Ignorant - He's proud of the fact hes Ignorant, and tries to denigrate those educated and willing to educate him! That takes a special kind of person to seek the state of actively avoiding being educated by fact and science! wow! Dunning Kruger at work here! and the topper! Unbelievably this apparently is his big "closer arguement Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   Here is a simple example, Polio vaccine causes more harm than wild polio according to the data, due to mutations and contamination. Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   ://www.npr.org/2019/11/16/780068006/how-the-oral-polio-vaccine-can-cause-polio More polio cases now caused by vaccine than by wild virus https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caus... Take care ol timer [Edited on 8-7-2020 by gnukid] Didn't bother to read or understand any of those articles you posted right? The supposed issue you talk about is minute, and those few issues are easily dealt with, other that the unrestricted access to every kid on the planet. compared to the gigantic social benefits of essentially eradicating Polio. the costs in destroyed human lives - young childrens lives was almost incalculable deal with this : [img]blob:https://ourworldindata.org/34d436ec-ee04-4de9-a125-64fe05932bf8[/img] we have virtually eradicated this horrible disease from the earth with a few exceptions, those caused by religious wars, and locations where poverty and ignorance abounds - this is a disease that paralyzed and or killed millions of people, and vaccines world wide have reduced those numbers from millions to a few hundred world wide. the fact that you think the few 100 cases world wide is a bigger problem than millions dying or paralyzed - just shows how far down The rabbit hole of conspiracy theories you are willing to go!

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Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Quick rebuttals on gnueys supposed understanding... Good lord, why?

I concur!

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Quote: Originally posted by lencho   Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Quick rebuttals on gnueys supposed understanding... Good lord, why? I concur!

A Good Rule of Thumb is ................

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Those who take the Nutty Gnu seriously are not to be taken seriously. Fortunately, they are few in number.

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Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo   Gnukid, it was not my intent to pile on you. I think most of us are tired of both of you taking every thread into the realm of endless debate. That is not what I come to this forum for! ****

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Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Quick rebuttals on gnueys supposed understanding... Good lord, why?

No Worries Now

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Do the math: Cases 5,422,242 Deaths 169,870

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Do the math CDC today https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/case... Accepting this dataset, even though excess errors are acknowledged: USA Pop 320,000,000 Cases 5,422,242 Deaths 169,870 %99.95 survival rate %0.05 death rate Similar rate to previous years influenza death rate, nothing out of the ordinary to justify altering human mobility behavior with lockdown, isolation, face masks, hand sanitizer, social distancing.

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The strategy by these convoluted rabid morbid obsessed, math challenged seniors is to "muddy the waters", promote fear, create confusion, using both faulty logic, and caustic angry attacks, to discourage dialogue.

Pablo,
Math challenged? Sounds like you!
Faulty logic? Ditto!
Seniors? Be careful slinging mud, you are much closer to senior than junior, you bald, old fart! You are mid-fifties, and are losing your hair. Sorry to burst your bubble, Paul, but you are a senior Chasing young tail doesn’t make you young, just makes you creepy!

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This isn't personal. Time to question the end game? Today, according to CDC, Official Actual Excess Death Rates FROM CV Is Zero. Big picture, no increase in excess deaths. Zero Actual Excess Deaths FROM CV. No New Pandemic verified or New Virus isolated as a cause of illness. Long history of Faulty track record of leadership and conflict of interest by Fauci and Biopharma using RT PCR to identify and diagnose viral illness to market and sell drugs. [Edited on 8-20-2020 by gnukid]

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You are undoubtedly intelligent, Paul, and I have nothing to add to posts regarding the virus. Early on I had some comments. That was about 4 months ago. Besides, my thoughts about what's happening with the virus are not thought out as there's nothing to conclude. I think about what I see around me. So the question is why do you keep repeating yourself? I come away thinking you're a common conspiracist. And it doesn't matter why. Thousands are dying everyday and you post your facts showing no one is dying? Just plain foolish. For the record, I don't read your comments relating to the virus. I think you are wrong and don't know what you're writing. Thoughtful discourse? Think what you want about the virus and let others decide this life/death issue themselves. Snake oil is not a cure.

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Quote: Originally posted by Lee   You are undoubtedly intelligent, Paul, and I have nothing to add to posts regarding the virus. Early on I had some comments. That was about 4 months ago. Besides, my thoughts about what's happening with the virus are not thought out as there's nothing to conclude. I think about what I see around me. So the question is why do you keep repeating yourself? I come away thinking you're a common conspiracist. And it doesn't matter why. Thousands are dying everyday and you post your facts showing no one is dying? Just plain foolish. For the record, I don't read your comments relating to the virus. I think you are wrong and don't know what you're writing. Thoughtful discourse? Think what you want about the virus and let others decide this life/death issue themselves. Snake oil is not a cure. x2

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Seniors, especially, must ensure they are getting adequate nutrition, exercise, fresh air, sunshine and social engagement for overall health or you will certainly die an early death. [Edited on 8-20-2020 by gnukid]

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x4

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Relax Gringo [Edited on 8-21-2020 by gnukid]

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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   Relax Gringo [Edited on 8-21-2020 by gnukid] FYI - a lot of knowledge has been added since March 8th and you know it, maybe. ...

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Relax Gringo [Edited on 8-21-2020 by gnukid]

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Relax Gringo [Edited on 8-21-2020 by gnukid]

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Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob   baja noticias web page has a story about the government hospital in la paz crashing with a lack of resources and exhausted staff..... Do you have a link to that, or a date? I searched the most recent pages, and the only hospital article I saw reported declining hospitalizations. I don't know much about La Paz hospitals but there are several of them. does anyone know if allthe hospitals were swamped, or just the government one?

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm USA CDC announced this week that 94% of COVID19 categorized deaths were the result of cofactors, and only 6% remain as a death of only one of many respiratory illnesses, pneumonia, flu, covid. "Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups."

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CDC admits this week, only 6% of reported COVID deaths actually died from COVID, so, of 161,392 reported deaths in USA, actually 9,682 died from COVID19. No one died this week. 9,682 deaths of 327 million people is not a pandemic, that's %0.0000296 death rate. The other 94% had 2-3 existing comorbidity serious illnesses that actually caused their deaths. The overwhelming majority were seniors. The restrictions requiring isolation, sanitizer, distancing and masks caused far more harm to mental, physical and financial health and have no relevance to health policy. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#co... [Edited on 8-31-2020 by gnukid]

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CDC admits this week, only 6% of reported COVID deaths actually died from COVID....... [Edited on 8-31-2020 by gnukid]

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Sum it up gnukid. State your point.

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Idaho House passes resolution to end coronavirus emergency declaration "I refuse, when we talk about money, I refuse to sell my liberties for money," he said. "I refuse to be blackmailed for money. And I refuse to sell my state and my blessings of my family and everything else for some federal freaking check.” https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/idaho-legislature-sp...

Thanks for the encouragement all, I appreciate all the personal messages too.

It takes years to validate illness testing and reporting, which is why, you may see high case/deaths initially reported per region, based on estimates of suspected cases, only to be adjusted to very low numbers later.

For example, I noted, in 2004 CDC initially reported tens of thousands of influenza deaths as they do each year and years later updated ACTUAL DEATHS from influenza in USA to 500, which happens every year. See image below showing revised actual deaths from flu only for 2004.

CDC recently reported %94 of 2020 CV19 case fatalities included 2.6 cofactors of pre-existing illnesses causing mortality primarily in seniors above 65. Only %6 had no other cofactors of pre-existing illnesses, though those could be suicide, injury, victim, etc. Average age of death "from" is much higher than average age of death without CV19?

6% of death certificates listed C-19 as THE cause of death. For the other 94% 2.6 pre-existing co-factors contributed to deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/tech_notes.htm


I became interested in what is a RNA virus because I had the flu and was scared. I had what seemed like COVID19 and I was actually afraid to go to sleep so I just began to take readily available on line classes in microbiology, epidemiology, RNA virus and researched the history of H1N1, Swine Flu, Coronoviruses common influenza, etc. I haven't stopped doing 10 hours plus research, education and validation everyday. What I found when digging deeper, showed a long pattern of biopharma collusion to promote viral illness and vaccines when the data does not support the conclusion.

Virus is not alive, it is not an organism. Viruses are not contagious
Virus is a cleaner, like soap, to clean the body.

No evidence of transmission of asymptomatic people https://youtu.be/Aa1Ow5_6b8Y

https://davidicke.com/2020/08/18/the-deception-of-virology-v...

I found a pattern of conflicting case/death data, failure to isolate a virus causing illness, conflicting theories, between viral theory, to support the idea that contagious diseases are passed through aerosolized or tactile transmission of viral bacteria versus exosome cell theory, that idea each person may reach cellular toxicity periodically based on lifestyle and naturally express toxic cells.

Each person is the product of virus, our bodies contain practically all known "virus", trillions of viruses are found in each person. We are constantly replicating RNA thousands of times a second to resolve toxicity, expunging toxins. Our bodies are made up of huge quantities of bacteria, the equivalent of a large portion one leg of your body is bacteria. When the body's cells reaches high toxicity, the individual expresses toxicity and recuperates.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/science/virosphere-evolut...

https://earthsky.org/human-world/trillions-of-viruses-human-...

It's up to each person to manage their personal health and to make up their own mind, academic studies and CDC reports that raise questions are just the start. It's up to you to do your own research.

For example, looking back at the 2009 Swine Flu H1N1 pandemic, CDC admitted they stopped actually counting cases after they hit 600, due to confusion, and simply made up the estimate of one million deaths?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/33239736/ns/health-cold_and_flu/t/...

WHO Suspends H1N1 Testing
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2009/07/who-susp...

Swine Flu Overestimated
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/

Obama shut down H1N1 testing
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flashback-obama-admin-halte...

CDC admits the RT PCR tests can not determine an isolation of COVID19, according to the insert on the package, that I shared here repeatedly. The results produce a positive for any pathogen. Kary Mullis the creator Staes the test can not be used to test for isolated virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testin...

Coronavirus: The Truth about PCR Test Kit from the Inventor and Other Experts
https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/coronavirus-the-truth-about-p...


There is nothing wrong with reading academic studies even if you don't have a PHD, there is an intro and conclusion, there are often summary studies of groups of studies.

There is ample evidence there does not exist an external unique pathogen identified as COVID19, that is a contagion causing illness. While there is evidence there's collusion to create a well planned COVID19 simulation to confuse the case/death counts, conflate all respiratory illness, and generate false positive from asymtomatic individuals through corruption in BIOpharma.

It's all coming to a head over the next 60-90 days. It all depends on each person to either give up all God given individual rights for freedom, or to use critical thinking to question the validity of evidence, contingency, and benefit of isolation, sanitizer, distancing, restrictions.

Reach out to family and friends, ask questions, read, talk, take care of each other and ensure that all family and friends have social contact, food basic medicine and stay positive.






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Do your own research about virus as contagion versus your personal health as cause of illness.

Virus vs Human Terrain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNYhpJGK3Zw

The Poisoned Needle: Suppressed Facts About Vaccination, 1956, by Eleanor McBean M.D., N.D. (shows the many dangers of vaccinations, manipulated statistics throughout history, how polio arose, and the nature of virus and disease.)

Béchamp Or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology by E. Douglas Hume, 1923

The Blood and Its Third Element by Antoine Béchamp, 1912

Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth, by Walene James, 1942 (discusses Béchamp's 'Terrain Theory' of bacteria and viruses.)

The Dream & Lie of Louis Pasteur, R.B. Pearson, 1942 (First published in 1942 under the title 'Pasteur Plagiarist Imposter!-the Germ Theory Exploded'. Shows that Louis Pasteur plagiarized and distorted the work of professor Antoine Béchamp. The author propounds the viewpoint that bacteria in the body are a result, not a cause of disease, that vaccinations are harmful or at best, ineffective, and that Pasteur did not realize the consequences of the vaccines he and his followers created.)






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Below is the Rose Bowl. Fill every seat with a dead person. Imagine that. Get another Rose Bowl. Fill every seat with a dead person. Imagine that.

Two huge football stadiums, a dead body in every seat.

COVID-19 in the US. How many stadiums will it take?





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PHEW !

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THAT would really Stink !

Will there be fake crowd noise? I hope the NFL doesn't get any ideas from this!

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Below is the Rose Bowl. Fill every seat with a dead person. Imagine that. Get another Rose Bowl. Fill every seat with a dead person. Imagine that. Two huge football stadiums, a dead body in every seat.

Jeez, everybody is trying to figure out how to do this.

I don't know how.

Think about it.



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Gnuey, second - let me know when you actually read a single one of the links you post - because so far, your brief intro summaries , have been laughably wrong, completely inconsistant with the information in the link you post - the links most offten completely contradict your postulates. for god sake man, get a reading tutor, and while you are at it, why not look up Dunning Kruger effect, it will be very comforting to you to know we know have a diagnosis that fits your behavior here on the BN forum!