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gnukid
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Baja, Covid 19, Koch's Postulate, germ theory, and the math
Quote: Originally posted by TedZark  | It's not a binary choice. To make all decisions based on flawed (but the only available) data. OR do nothing.
People have to make the best decisions they can based on the scant evidence they can find, and understand.
“You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.” ― Donald Rumsfeld. |
Actually what is required is binary, true or false. Koch's Postulate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates
At no time has COVID19 met the definition of disease or illness caused by an isolated microorganism.
Koch's postulates of disease.
Koch's postulates are the following:
1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific
causative agent.
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Actually what is required is binary, true or false. Koch's Postulate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates
At no time has COVID19 met the definition of disease or illness caused by an isolated microorganism.
Koch's postulates of disease.
Koch's postulates are the following:
1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific
causative agent.
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Bwahahahaaahaaaahaaa! You don't even bother to read the page in wikipedia - right? heres the first paragraph - maybe you can read it here:
edited for briefness it repeats gnueys information
" Koch applied the postulates to describe the etiology of cholera and tuberculosis, but they have been controversially generalized to other diseases.
These postulates were generated before modern concepts in microbial pathogenesis that cannot be examined using Koch's postulates, including viruses
(which are obligate cellular parasites) and asymptomatic carriers. They have largely been supplanted by other criteria such as the Bradford Hill
criteria for infectious disease causality in modern public health."
so - once again gnuey - - what does that last 2 sentences mean?
You can't make this stuff up Ladies and gentlemen. who knew we had such a large group of infectious disease specialists in our midst - right here on
the forum - what a joke!
[Edited on 8-6-2020 by caj13]
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gnukid
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No evidence, no causation, nothing. Fallacious logic. zzz
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what did the article you posted say gnuey? I want to know how you interprit that.
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Gnutty Gnudisms
So ........... the Gnostic Gnu is pimping outdated and invalidated postulates relating to Bacterium from a 19th century source ?
Considering the source .......... Yeah, sure, you betcha.
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Huge progress to understand human health and illness over the last hundred years, with rapid acceleration recently, and yet we have a long way to go.
Here's some super basic health broad info about cell theory vs germ theory, that illuminates the landscape.
Koch's Postulate is the Gold Standard - those that disregard basic science are charlatans that promote elixir magic cures.
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7...
Healthy Matters from the inside out. Two paradigms; Germs vs Terrain, Pasteur vs Bechamp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLVmEWX9OSY
Germ Theory vs. Terrain Theory
https://youtu.be/muM4mYMe5TM
The distinct traits and functions of exosomes and microvesicles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYZzzDuzwDA
Exosomes and Naturally Occurring Vesicles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpRS1PDfBM0
BECHAMP and CELLULAR THEORY vs PASTEUR and GERM THEORY
https://youtu.be/QN8yJAvnteo
Pleomorphism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho1A6_924y4
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Basic Health Info To Become Health Literate
Trillions of viruses make up your virome
https://earthsky.org/human-world/trillions-of-viruses-human-...
Extracellular vesicle subpopulations – beyond exosomes and microvesicles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z6TfPQFkek
How human cells secrete small RNAs in extracellular vesicles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4TMltfK3IA
Béchamps vs Pasteur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nGvlDGoNGY
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Gnuey - lets go back to where you started. The link you posted from wikipedia on Kochs postulate. Just tell us what those last 2 sentences in the
first paragraph say Gnuey. Then we will move on to the other crap you posted -
but first - lets see if you you actually have the ability to read and understand at a 9th grade level!
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Anyone can say, Koch's Postulates are not relevant, while they remain the gold standard for identifying that a virus causing illness exists.
Anyone can say, hey I discovered a new virus and you should be scared and buy my drug, but that doesn't make it true.
Certainly, the topic is, Biopharma conspires to promote influenza like viral/germ theory to sell high risk medicines and vaccines that have a long
history causing significant harm, while cell theory, or human terrain theory, or exosome theory is far more prevalent today.
Your bodies health is the first line of defense. Your body is constantly managing toxins, and excreting toxins as part of normal cellular cleansing
process.
The theory that you can hide, isolate, and delay viral engagement is a fallacy. You are in constant engagement with your own biodiversity. "Virus" is
your bodies expression of the output of excreting toxins in a manner that is "symptomatic" or present.
When human cell toxicity reaches a tipping point, in combination with poor nutrition, stress, agitation, the result is identifiable symptom of illness
such as flu like symptoms.
Everybody has trillions of viruses as part of normal makeup everyday. The body is a biodiverse environment constantly evolving, building immunity
shielding, replicating RNA thousands of times a second. You are constantly excreting garbage.
Here is a simple example, Polio vaccine causes more harm than wild polio according to the data, due to mutations and contamination.
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/16/780068006/how-the-oral-polio-...
More polio cases now caused by vaccine than by wild virus
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caus...
Take care ol timer
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Be aware, the assumption is the a RNA virus causes a flu like illness. Therefore, a RNA vaccine will splice into your genome and replicate, and be
better then you at competing with a mutating RNA virus.
Even if you accept the worst case scenario, 150k deaths in the USA that is a death rate of 370,000,000:150,000 = 0.00045 or %0.0405 while all
respiratory deaths as well as other causes are conflated as with CoVID19.
RNA vaccines have never been tried, never succeeded, no evidence exists it will work and it is extremely dangerous, according to Gates many will die
and no guarantee of efficacy exists.
It's a radical game changer to edit each human genome, like GMO seeds, with the theory that someone else is better than you are managing your personal
biodiversity.
The implications for the human race and for each individual who is vaccinated are staggering.
Consider the risk vs reward of living normally and successfully as we have for millennia or adopting a COVID19 fear based mentality waiting for a high
risk vaccine.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41436-020-0832-3
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Anyone can say, Koch's Postulates are not relevant, while they remain the gold standard for identifying that a virus causing illness exists.
[Edited on 8-7-2020 by gnukid] |
so much misinformation, I have to deal with it a bit at a time. Now Gnuey, The link you posted about Koch and his postulates. Go back and read it
- READ IT VERY CAREFULLY! what does it say about "gold standard"? waht does it say about virual pathogens?
you post a source of information - then completely contradict what you posted - seriously man, read the damn thing before you start posting stuff
you have no idea about!
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Every person is capable of using there own discernment to make up their own mind, as we as consider Koch's postulates to identify the validity of a
theoretical virus causing illness, versus simply accepting your word for it.
Medical errors are among the top causes of death in the USA!
Certainly theories are intended to be proven and disproven, that's basic science.
We have a long history of group think failure in medical profession, and here we see a large number of admitted errors in COVID policy, from failures
of testing, failures of policy, conflicts of interest, WHO was defunded in this period for perception of conflict of interest interaction with China.
CDC identified failures in report symptoms requiring revamping the entire reporting practice, through it's parent Health and Human Services.
We have much to learn, starting with a position of skepticism, and a return to data driven health care, not blind acceptance, that new unproven lab
based RNA splicing technology is not only safe but is superior to the human being biodiversity functionality that has served us for millennia.
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Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” (Emphasis mine throughout.) Write the researchers, “We report…that
chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with
the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”
Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-42...
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Upwards of 80% of patients who contract COVID-19 develop only mild flu-like symptoms. “The immune system fights off the virus and people might
hardly notice.”
Graham emphasizes alternative ways in which a vaccine could potentially induce more serious COVID-19 infections: Th2 immunopathology, in which a
faulty T cell response triggers allergic inflammation, and poorly functional antibodies that form immune complexes, activating the complement system
and potentially damaging the airways.
Avoiding pitfalls in the pursuit of a COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/15/8218
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Quick rebuttals on gnueys supposed understanding of the woo woo crystal licking sleep in a pyramid and you'll live forever !
nonsense | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Anyone can say, Koch's Postulates are not relevant, while they remain the gold standard for identifying that a virus causing illness exists. [Edited
on 8-7-2020 by gnukid] |
Already disproven by the very source Gnuey provided. apparently the Gnu kid is incapable of reading and understanding a wikipedia page HE posted ,
supposedly as support for his ideas, but anyone who looked at the page (other than Gnuey) knew it was completely 180 degrees opposite of what gney
claimed it said. so far he has refused to even address that fact - that he apparently can not read!
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I'll save you time here Gnuey posts a long word salad explanation that he and a few others on this planet know that we have it all wrong, he and his
special freinds know that 400 years of scientific research, proven again and again and again and again, it's all wrong because the crystal lickers
invent some new paradigm for how the human body actually works! ignorance is a problem, education is the solution. Unfortunately one who chooses to
be Willfully Ignorant" they purposely and repeatedly avoid any information that would educate them and provide understanding.
So not only is gnuey Willfully Ignorant - but hes a special class of Willfully Ignorant - He's proud of the fact hes Ignorant, and tries to
denigrate those educated and willing to educate him! That takes a special kind of person to seek the state of actively avoiding being educated by
fact and science! wow! Dunning Kruger at work here!
and the topper! Unbelievably this apparently is his big "closer arguement
| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid |
Here is a simple example, Polio vaccine causes more harm than wild polio according to the data, due to mutations and contamination.
Didn't bother to read or understand any of those articles you posted right? The supposed issue you talk about is minute, and those few issues are
easily dealt with, other that the unrestricted access to every kid on the planet. compared to the gigantic social benefits of essentially
eradicating Polio. the costs in destroyed human lives - young childrens lives was almost incalculable
deal with this :
[img]blob:https://ourworldindata.org/34d436ec-ee04-4de9-a125-64fe05932bf8[/img]
we have virtually eradicated this horrible disease from the earth with a few exceptions, those caused by religious wars, and locations where poverty
and ignorance abounds - this is a disease that paralyzed and or killed millions of people, and vaccines world wide have reduced those numbers from
millions to a few hundred world wide.
the fact that you think the few 100 cases world wide is a bigger problem than millions dying or paralyzed - just shows how far down The rabbit hole
of conspiracy theories you are willing to go!
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I concur! 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Interesting, the dogs pile on with no evidence, no logic, pure fallacy. Isolate, hand sanitize, distance, face mask, you'll be great.
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Gnukid, it was not my intent to pile on you. I think most of us are tired of both of you taking every thread into the realm of endless debate. That
is not what I come to this forum for!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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A Good Rule of Thumb is ................
Those who take the Nutty Gnu seriously are not to be taken seriously.
Fortunately, they are few in number.
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | Those who take the Nutty Gnu seriously are not to be taken seriously.
Fortunately, they are few in number. |
Problem is, gnukid takes himself seriously.
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