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Who is now vaccinated and ready for Baja?

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Ken Cooke - 3-10-2021 at 10:21 PM

Wife received her second vaccination on Monday. I received my second dose last month. I'm watching incoming data from CDC, thinking đŸ€” Baja can happen again soon without fear of getting sick while on vacation/away from home.

The Mrs. and I have been avoiding contact with neighbors, friends and family for the past 12 months. Tbh, I'm tired of the same desert trails, feeling "boxed-in" north of the border.

BornFisher - 3-10-2021 at 10:26 PM

I am, and I am.

JZ - 3-10-2021 at 10:27 PM

Great news Ken. 2021 will be a very good year in Baja.


Ken Cooke - 3-10-2021 at 10:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Great news Ken. 2021 will be a very good year in Baja.


The desert seasons almost over and the restrictions havent been lifted. 'Very good' sounds a little optimistic. One more month before the sun starts scorching. When are travel restrictions changing to reflect current metrics?

55steve - 3-10-2021 at 11:16 PM

Get my 2nd dose this Sat - Plan to head down to Gonzaga in mid April.

JZ - 3-10-2021 at 11:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke  


The desert seasons almost over and the restrictions havent been lifted. 'Very good' sounds a little optimistic. One more month before the sun starts scorching. When are travel restrictions changing to reflect current metrics?


Summer in Baja is my favorite time. Maybe use this as an opportunity to get out on the Sea of Cortez this year?

The water and views are just incredible in the summer. Almost every night you can see the lighting storms coming from the mainland.




[Edited on 3-11-2021 by JZ]

Bajabus - 3-11-2021 at 06:58 AM

Got my 1st shot of the Pfizer in Cabo yesterday. No lines. Very organized.

You can sign up at: https://mivacuna.salud.gob.mx/.

You don't have to wait for a call back if you don't want. Just print out or take a photo of the final page then just show up wherever you hear they are administering shots.

You will need your CURP number to sign up.

[Edited on 11-3-2021 by Bajabus]

Bajabus - 3-11-2021 at 07:07 AM

Free of Charge. Mostly Mexican Nationals there with a scattering of Gringos.

This was at Secundario Technico #19.

[Edited on 11-3-2021 by Bajabus]

pacificobob - 3-11-2021 at 07:19 AM

i spoke with a local friend who got vaxed in csl yesterday. he made it sound easy.

Bajabus - 3-11-2021 at 07:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
i spoke with a local friend who got vaxed in csl yesterday. he made it sound easy.


It was very easy. They check your paperwork and ID at the school entrance. Then you go to a second line where they let in 5 people at a time. In the classroom there are about 5 rows of chairs with 5 chairs in each row. You are asked a series of questions about your health and your paperwork is collected. The vaccines appear to be kept in cooler with dry ice. When it's that rows turn, they give you the shot and mark the time on your paperwork. 30 min later they ask you more questions about how you are feeling then let you leave. You are asked to get a 2nd shot in 21 days. They will call you or again, just present yourself with the aforementioned paperwork after 21 days at any vaccination center.

BajaParrothead - 3-11-2021 at 07:48 AM

Got my first Moderna yesterday. The second dose will be April 7th and at that point, everyone in the family will be fully vaccinated ahead of our May 1st Baja trip for the month.

mtgoat666 - 3-11-2021 at 07:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Great news Ken. 2021 will be a very good year in Baja.


The desert seasons almost over and the restrictions havent been lifted. 'Very good' sounds a little optimistic. One more month before the sun starts scorching. When are travel restrictions changing to reflect current metrics?


The metrics have improved a little bit, but I don’t see where the metrics have changed so much that they support lifting travel restrictions...
Neither Mexico nor USA have vaccinated a significant number of people yet.
The vaccination process is going really slow.
So far only really old people and privileged classes of workers or unhealthy people have been allowed to get the vaccine, and overall vaccination rate is quite low.

pauldavidmena - 3-11-2021 at 08:08 AM

The roll-out of the vaccine in Massachusetts - particularly on Cape Cod - has been slow and chaotic. As it is, at 61 and with no known underlying health problems, I don't yet qualify to be shot. Once I do, my wife and I will happily do our part to put an eventual end to this plague.

I'm not sure how soon I'll be ready to travel anywhere beyond the Sagamore Bridge. My father's ashes remain with my brother in California, where they've been since last April awaiting an informal gathering of close family (many of whom aren't close in terms of physical proximity). That will likely be my first trip. As for Baja, I'd like to know that I'm not potentially contributing to a health crisis by taking a premature victory lap. Naturally each individual will have to make that determination on his or her own.

AKgringo - 3-11-2021 at 08:44 AM

I am scheduled to get my second Pfizer shot Wednesday, at a VA clinic about 20 miles away.

I don't have any Baja trip planned for the near future, but I am strongly considering a mid summer trip to the Pacific side this year. I have never been in Mexico between mid May and late September.

[Edited on 3-11-2021 by AKgringo]

pauldavidmena - 3-11-2021 at 08:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I am scheduled to get my second Pfizer shot Wednesday, at a VA clinic about 20 miles away.

I don't have any Baja trip planned for the near future, but I am strongly considering a mid summer trip to the Pacific side this year. I have never been in Mexico between mid May and late September.

[Edited on 3-11-2021 by AKgringo]


I went to Todos Santos in July 2013, and it was wonderful. As expected, it was very hot during the day, and a few shops and restaurants were closed, but there was a sleepy vibe to the town that simply doesn't exist during the height of the tourist season.

BajaBill74 - 3-11-2021 at 09:43 AM

My wife and I are vaccinated. It helps to be old. We will be making our annual trip to Los Cabos the end of April. (Last years was cancelled.)

I won't me making my annual drive to Mulege because I think they're still having problems and wouldn't appreciate visitors.

sancho - 3-11-2021 at 10:42 AM

Good topic Ken, got my 2nd Pfizer. Have a few days left
on the 14 day period after the vax. Hope the affect is
lasting, cautiously optimistic



BajaBlanca - 3-11-2021 at 10:51 AM

La Bocana is at full speed ahead. Some locals (very few) were vaccinated but the virus has seemingly stopped infecting locals and they are ready for business as usual.

The cabins on the beach are booked solid all of next month with kiters and all of either August or Sept with fishermen. They are thrilled.

We have had visitors for the last 3 weeks and put each family in a separate location. As long as you wear a mask, anyone is welcome at the huge supermarket and the Beach restaurant puts spaces between tables with a max of 4 per table. We always sit outside, we feel more comfortable that way.

Right now we have 3 folks visiting who belong to bands in the US and one of them is the band leader for Eric Burdon of the Animals! I think we shall be having some music on the porch this afternoon. So excited!

They are the ones who brought down shoes clothes and toys for Tidiana's kids.





This pandemic has brought in many Mexicans who otherwise would have been traveling to other cities. We had guests from Vizcaino and G Negro like never before.

Brazil is not doing its part in making workd travel happen any faster. What a mess that country is and it will affect all of us with the Amazon variant. I apologize on behalf of its people!

KurtG - 3-11-2021 at 01:00 PM

Got my 2nd dose of the Pfizer vaccine 5 weeks ago through VA. Made two 350 mile round trips to the West LA Med Center but was happy to do it since supply here in San Luis Obispo County was very uncertain at the time. I got in and out of the Covid center in less than an hour each time, they were very efficient.

I would love to head south right now but am going to delay for a bit just out of caution. My friends in Mulege, both locals and expats, are encouraging me to come and I will reconsider next month. If large Semana Santa crowds show up that would discourage me from going since it could result in more infections. Might just wait until Fall.

Bajabus - 3-11-2021 at 01:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KurtG  
If large Semana Santa crowds show up that would discourage me from going since it could result in more infections. Might just wait until Fall.


Yeah the Semana Santa crowds worry me also. So far, beaches here in Elias Calles are deserted.

David K - 3-11-2021 at 02:12 PM

Got my one, and am done (Johnson & Johnson), three days ago. No arm pain or anything abnormal since the shot.

They say 2 weeks to be fully protected (as much as the vaccine can protect). Nothing is 100%!

Would love to be exploring Baja again... or leading a tour. Maybe in a few months or next year when the most possible people are vaccinated?

Hopefully, sooner...

Bajaboy - 3-11-2021 at 05:17 PM

Got my second Pfizer shot yesterday. We're heading down in a few weeks.

Tioloco - 3-11-2021 at 05:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Got my one, and am done (Johnson & Johnson), three days ago. No arm pain or anything abnormal since the shot.

They say 2 weeks to be fully protected (as much as the vaccine can protect). Nothing is 100%!

Would love to be exploring Baja again... or leading a tour. Maybe in a few months or next year when the most possible people are vaccinated?

Hopefully, sooner...


Tomorrow is not guaranteed. You are good to go now.

TMW - 3-11-2021 at 05:36 PM

I got my second Moderna shot March 2. Doing Death Valley in April then have two Baja trips planned after that.

FYI as of today there have been 95.7 million shots given with 32.9 million being fully vaccinated in the US.

We got 'em!

John M - 3-11-2021 at 06:58 PM

Barbara and I had our second Pfizer on the 10th of Feb - neither of us had a reaction to either. Well, a little sore arm at the injection site was it - lasted less than a day.

We have two Baja trips on the schedule.

John M

gnukid - 3-11-2021 at 07:42 PM

Mexico has abandoned Pfizer and Moderna mRNA products for traditional actual vaccines like Sputnik.

JZ - 3-11-2021 at 08:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Got my one, and am done (Johnson & Johnson), three days ago. No arm pain or anything abnormal since the shot.

They say 2 weeks to be fully protected (as much as the vaccine can protect). Nothing is 100%!

Would love to be exploring Baja again... or leading a tour. Maybe in a few months or next year when the most possible people are vaccinated?

Hopefully, sooner...


I'm going to hold out for the J&J unless it takes too long.

Planning several international trips to Europe and Asia in the late Summer and Fall.






JZ - 3-11-2021 at 08:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John M  
Barbara and I had our second Pfizer on the 10th of Feb - neither of us had a reaction to either. Well, a little sore arm at the injection site was it - lasted less than a day.

We have two Baja trips on the schedule.

John M


Congrats to you guys.


bajarich - 3-11-2021 at 08:46 PM

My two weeks since my second Pyzer shot will be up in two days. That said, I will still only be 90% protected which I read as I still have a 1 in 10 chance of being infected, and I just read that only .4% of Mexicans have been vaccinated. I am almost 75 years old and I wasn't planning on Baja this year anyway but hope to go next winter after Mexico has done a better job of vaccinating their citizens.

pacificobob - 3-11-2021 at 09:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Mexico has abandoned Pfizer and Moderna mRNA products for traditional actual vaccines like Sputnik.


3 friends were vaxed with Pfizer in CSL yesterday. is anything you post accurate?

Bajabus - 3-12-2021 at 05:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Mexico has abandoned Pfizer and Moderna mRNA products for traditional actual vaccines like Sputnik.


I along with about 500 others over 3 days were vaccinated with Pfizer in CSL at Secundaria Technica #19. I got mine 2 days ago. Same was happening at the Centro de Salud downtown.

That you posted what you did tells me two things. You didn't even bother reading what others have posted before jumping in and commenting. You don't know what you are talking about.

Tioloco - 3-12-2021 at 09:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajarich  
My two weeks since my second Pyzer shot will be up in two days. That said, I will still only be 90% protected which I read as I still have a 1 in 10 chance of being infected, and I just read that only .4% of Mexicans have been vaccinated. I am almost 75 years old and I wasn't planning on Baja this year anyway but hope to go next winter after Mexico has done a better job of vaccinating their citizens.


Another way of looking at it is that with no vaccination your chance of dying from Covid is less than 1 in a 1,000.
Now that you are vaccinated you have improved your chances by 90% above that. Not sure what the mathematical formula for that looks like but seems you are pretty safe. Next year is not guaranteed. Go enjoy yourself before it is too late. You can still use caution to further improve your odds of staying clear of the virus.

gnukid - 3-12-2021 at 10:22 AM

Risk of death with COVID is practically zero for under 25, less than 2 in 10,000 for those under 65, unless you are over 65 then its less than 4 in 10,000 and those deaths are associated with 2-3 existing severe high risk illnesses. Covid is extremely low risk in the world of viral influenza type lllness, with no increase or change in deaths with influenza type illnesses year to year. Overall, macro risk of death for all causes remains ~%0.87 unchanged year to year, meaning no pandemic.

CDC Overall Death rate: 869.7 deaths per 100,000 population
You are at much higher risk to die of many other causes than covid, such as heart disease, diabetes, or an accident, slipping in the kitchen or at the boat ramp.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

While risk from complications of mRNA vaccine interactions add to the risk, mRNA vaccines do not reduce risk from infection or transmission. You can still become infected and transmit as well the increased production of covid spike protein may have unintended consequences, there have been no long term studies nor studies on high risk people like those typically at risk of cvid infection.

Traditional vaccines (like Sputnik) may (or may not) reduce risk from infection and transmission.

Mexico is now focused only on traditional vaccines, no longer on high risk and more expensive mRNA experimental gene platforms products. Storage, transport and distribution proved to be difficult.

https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/russia-begins-process...



[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid]

caj13 - 3-12-2021 at 10:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Mexico has abandoned Pfizer and Moderna mRNA products for traditional actual vaccines like Sputnik.

why do you purposly continue to post false information here? Is it just because you lack any kind of socil life, and ndesperately need interactions - even if on line rebutslls pointing out you are wrong, ignornt, and vile?

well, i guess heres your daily contact - quit posting lies, fabrications, bullchit, and politially influenced conspiracy theories.

Maybe try living you life making decisions based on facts, science, history?

But you are in the Dunning Kruger Hall of Fame, so at least you have that to post on your resume!

caj13 - 3-12-2021 at 11:00 AM

Time for the daily gnuey kid smack down - where: day after day hes exposed a charlatan selling snake oil based on 14th century medicine,
driven by a complete lack of ability to actually read, digest, and understand actual statitics, math and science -
welcome to gnueys fantasy world of misinformation and ignorance!

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Risk of death with COVID is practically zero for under 25, less than 2 in 10,000 for those under 65, unless you are over 65 then its less than 4 in 10,000 and those deaths are associated with 2-3 existing severe high illnesses. It is extremely low risk, with no increase or change in deaths with influenza type illnesses year to year. Overall, macro risk of death remains ~%0.87 unchanged year to year.

CDC Death rate: 869.7 deaths per 100,000 population
You are at my higher risk to die of many other causes than covid, such as heart disease, diabetes, or an accident.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Uh - Gnuey - so your using statistics on death to show no effect from covid on death rates - and the data you cite are from 2019. Do you see ANY issue with that gnuy? think long and hard? consult your himilayan salt sphere housed inside your PVC pyamid surrounded by your Chakra enhancing aura machine - does that give you ny insights into your data?



While risk from complications of mRNA vaccines interactions add to the risk, mRNA vaccines do not reduce risk from infection or transmission. You can still become infected and transmit as well the increased production of covid spike protein may have unintended consequences, there have been no long term studies nor studies on high risk people like those typically at risk of cvid infection.

Stating false information dirrectly in conflict with all availabe data - Uh your wrong here gnuey, your belief has been disproven repeatedly by various scientists, studies and labs around the world. I'll listen to the experts on this, instead of some crystal licking homeopathy quack with NO evidence, data or expertise.
for an example of parcticing what i preach: I just had my knee replaced, guess what - i had an orthopedic surgeon with special training (IN FACT HES THE GUY WHO DOES THE TRAINING FOR OTHERS) and a history of thousands of sucessful operations. It was a realy tough choice though, because my long trusted house painter told me he coud do it much cheaper and get better results )


Traditional vaccines (like Sputnik) may or may not reduce risk from infection and transmission.

Mexico is now focused only on traditional vaccines, no longer on high risk and more expensive mRNA experimental gene platforms products. Storage, transport and distribution proved to be difficult.

https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/russia-begins-process...


[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid]


Grow up, step into the light of reality gnuey. one bonus you havent figured out - when you allow your understanding and ideas to be moulded by facts and data, as the new data come in, it allows for the butressing of your previous belief, or altering the belief based on those new data.

when your beliefs have rely on denial of truth and history and fact for you to maintain any semblence of self esteem or self worth, Gnuey - the problem is inside the vessel! its not science and medicine that are the enemy - they are trying to lead you into the light of leading a life based on actual fact!

science has shown you the truth, Demonstated beyond a shadow of a doubt that your beliefs on this virus are wrong - dead wrong and dangerously wrong - but you have to double down on your ridiculous misinformation to help you maintain your self esteem? You have trapped yourself into a life of trying to ignore facts and misrepersent science in a sysiphean attempt attempt to hang onto your hopelessly outdated, long ago proven wrong belief system,

sad that you are completely unwilling to know and understand the truth because it requires you to admit to yourself you are wrong! Let us know when you think you are ready to dip your big toe into adulthood Gnuey. when you progress past the mental equivalency of a 5 year old who still believes in santa caus. when you get to that point gnuey - there are adults here in this very room willing to support your attemt to step into the light of science and reality!


[Edited on 3-12-2021 by caj13]

gnukid - 3-12-2021 at 11:01 AM

Here are the recent stories about Mexico's Vaccine partners. The strategy clearly aligns to non-mRNA vaccines toward traditional vaccines, Sputnik, Sinovac, and Astro-Zeneca.

Not my opinion, these are simply news reports, do your own research and make up your own mind...


Initially Mexico expected to make deals with all vaccine manufacturers, but that fell apart, largely due to costs, transportation and cold storage issues.

Mexico's Ambitious COVID-19 Vaccination Strategy Falls Into Disarray
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965703068/mexicos-ambitious-c...

Mexico has ordered 32 million doses of Sputnik vaccine
https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/russia-begins-process...

Mexico (Slim) has partnered with AstroZeneca to produce and package that vaccine as well, which is not a mRNA vaccine, actually it is DNA, and does not provoke protein spike production.
The COVID-19 Vaccine to Be Packaged in Mexico Could Be 90% Effective, According to AstraZeneca
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/360250

How the Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Works
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astra...

MĂ©xico y Argentina producirĂĄn la vacuna contra el COVID-19 de AstraZeneca y Oxford
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354712

Mexico to rely heavily on Chinese vaccines
https://www.click2houston.com/news/world/2021/03/09/mexico-t...

How the Sinovac Vaccine Works
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/sinovac-covi...

Detenida la Vacunacion en BCS - Cambio de estrategia
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/detenida-la-vacunacion-en-bcs-est...

Doctors expose untested COVID vaccines, warn of ‘cascade’ of harmful effects and deaths
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/doctors-expose-untested-co...

Could mRNA COVID-19 vaccines be dangerous in the long-term?
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-b...

Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—let’s be cautious and first see the full data
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-...

Espanol
https://www.bmj.com/sites/default/files/doshi_95_percent_spa...


[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid]

gnukid - 3-12-2021 at 11:19 AM

Do the research and the math, there are no more Pfizer or Moderna vaccines being purchased or transported and those that were are no longer destined for regions away from the border for example to BCS, as reported in the link from BCS noticias.

Total vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna to Mexico are apparently less than 1 millionI see less than 500,000, I can only find reports of a few hundred thousand and some of those expired due to storage problems.

The requirement for extreme cold storage, costs and transport proved to be difficult, that is the same anywhere but more so in Mexicos due to lack of infrastructure to support such high tech distribution.

Read the articles, do the research, they account for more than 50,000,000 non-mRNA vaccines (Sputnik, Sinovac, and Astro-Zeneca) to Mexico and expectation for more and no more Pfizer or Moderna, at the moment.

It is not clear that this is 'Public Policy" but by reading the news it is clear there are no Pfizer or Moderna mRNA types while there are the other non-mRNA vaccine types.

Not sure why this news is upsetting to you, the good news for people who want a vaccine is that Mexico has partnered to deliver 50 million more vaccines if you want it, though certainly risks remain with those as well, while the risk from covid infection is low for most, and those that at high risk are more so at risk from an untested vaccine, as most of these are experimental with no long term testing.

I can see no rational reason why anyone would subject themselves to such a risk at this time with such low benefit.

90 seniors reject vaccine in Loreto
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/en-loreto-90-adultos-mayores-no-s...

[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid]

gnukid - 3-12-2021 at 11:35 AM

Accept that there have been a long series of unethical health care decisions, largely motivated by money to incentivize increasing covid risks to seniors made by politicians in the case of Cuomo, Whitmer, Wolf, Priztker, Newsom and Fauci etc. to codify isolation and lower quality care of high risk seniors, mix infected and non infected patients, to reduce costs to hospitals, medicare and medicaid, that intentionally, either in negligence, incompetence or fraud, caused exponential increase in deaths of those seniors with pre-existing illnesses, just as I reported here more than one year ago.

There is no reason to trust a "politician" with your health, or accept poor decisions, that isolate or abandon you and put you at risk, just as was done by politicians here in Baja.

Here is ample evidence of incentivizing amplification of covid deaths for profit.

CDC Chief Agrees There’s ‘Perverse’ Economic ‘Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate Coronavirus Deaths
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/31/cdc-chief-agre...

Gov. Cuomo's coronavirus nursing home scandal: 5 things to know
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-andrew-cuomos-coronaviru...

The Hospital Lobbyists Behind Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-hospital-lobbyists-behind-c...

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/andrew-cuomo...

Cut In New York’s Payments To Medicaid Providers Reduces State Budget Deficit
Slightly
https://wskg.org/news/cut-in-new-yorks-payments-to-medicaid-...

COVID-positive Admissions Were Correlated with Higher Death Rates in New York Nursing Homes
https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/covid-positive-adm...

Cuomo Aides Rewrote Nursing Home Report to Hide Higher Death Toll
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/nyregion/cuomo-nursing-ho...

The Real COVID Nursing Home Scandal Is Why Cuomo And Other Democrats Did It
https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/10/the-real-covid-nursing-...

Cuomo admin says total coronavirus deaths in nursing homes is even higher
https://www.foxnews.com/us/cuomo-admin-covid-19-deaths-nursi...

The nursing home scandal is bigger than just Cuomo
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/9/nursing-home...

Feds ask Gov. Whitmer for Michigan nursing home data to see if COVID-19 response warrants investigation
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/08/26/feds-as...

Executive Order 2020-50: Enhanced protections for residents and staff of long-term care facilities during the COVID-19 pandemic - RESCINDED
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-52...

Did Wolf’s nursing home policy cost lives? Congress is now asking
https://www.abc27.com/news/local/harrisburg/did-wolfs-nursin...

COVID-Related Nursing Home Deaths In Pennsylvania Fuel Blame
https://hosted.ap.org/citizensvoice/article/7f4438604ef33677...

5 Dem Govs Called to Answer for Nursing Home Mandates
https://www.newsmax.com/us/house-oversight-elderly-vulnerabl...

Pennsylvania House to Investigate Gov. Tom Wolf Sending Coronavirus Patients to Nursing Homes
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/01/pennsylvania-h...

Families: Gov. Pritzker's Nursing Home Liability Order Strips Justice
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/families-gov-pritzkers...

Gov. Pritzker Must Hold Nursing Homes Accountable for COVID-19 Sickness and Death
https://states.aarp.org/illinois/gov-pritzker-must-hold-nurs...

Nursing homes now account for half of all Illinois coronavirus deaths; protesters gather at Pritzker’s house
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/5/22/21267954/...

Are hospitals using COVID-19 causes of death as financial incentives?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/are-hospitals-using...

CDC director acknowledges hospitals have a monetary incentive to overcount coronavirus deaths
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-director-acknowl...

Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac...




[Edited on 3-12-2021 by gnukid]

bajatrailrider - 3-13-2021 at 08:12 AM

Ken back to your question back to Baja off road. Since covid day one I have had. My freinds from all over states coming here off road with me. We are careful riding outback little contact with people. Your more likely to get sick in so cal. Then outback in Baja come and enjoy .

gnukid - 3-13-2021 at 09:22 PM


WHO warns of 'false positives' in COVID tests, says some patients might not be 'truly infected'
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/world-he...

'We are flying blind': Fauci was warned in March 2020 of potential false positives in COVID-19 tests
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/we-are-f...

"It has been widely reported in the social media that the RT-qPCR test kits used to detect SARS- CoV-2 RNA in human specimens are generating many false positive results and are not sensitive enough to detect some real positive cases, especially during convalescence."
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/emails-who-term...

Emails and other records of Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. H. Clifford Lane from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services showing that National Institutes of Health (NIH) officials tailored confidentiality forms to China’s terms and that the World Health Organization (WHO) conducted an unreleased, “strictly confidential” COVID-19 epidemiological analysis in January 2020.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/dcnf-v-hhs-nov-2020-...


independent journalist in China pointing out the inconsistent COVID numbers in China to NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ Deputy Director for Clinical Research and Special Projects Cliff Lane
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/h-clifford-lane-md-bio

According to a rundown of PCR tests compiled by the Foundation for Innovative New Diagnostics, many manufacturers of PCR tests set the cycle threshold cutoff for a positive sample at up to around 40 cycles, a level numerous public health officials believe is guaranteed to return what are effectively false positive results that have detected fragments of the virus.
SARS-COV-2 MOLECULAR ASSAY EVALUATION: RESULTS
https://www.finddx.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/FIND_SARS-...

Former White House Chief of Staff Meadows says Dr. Fauci only constant in his 'inconsistency'
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/former-w...

[Edited on 3-14-2021 by gnukid]

gnukid - 3-14-2021 at 09:15 AM

Druthers, a Canadian newspaper, has done a series of articles on Covid pandemic fraud.

View the March edition of Druthers https://druthers.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DRUTHERS-202...

John Harper - 3-14-2021 at 09:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Druthers, a Canadian newspaper, has done a series of articles on Covid pandemic fraud.

View the March edition of Druthers https://druthers.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DRUTHERS-202...


Here's another viewpoint on Druthers.

https://www.antihate.ca/new_covid_conspiracy_newspaper_extre...

Have you ever thought of taking up stamp collecting? Persuasive discourse is not your core competency.

John

BajaNomad - 3-14-2021 at 10:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
...there are no more Pfizer or Moderna vaccines being purchased or transported and those that were are no longer destined for regions away from the border for example to BCS...

The requirement for extreme cold storage, costs and transport proved to be difficult...



And that alone is the reason. They've been planning it the current way since December at least - knowing they don't have the facilities to handle the ultra-cold refrigeration.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=95527

:light: :tumble:

gnukid - 3-14-2021 at 11:16 AM


Mexico will continue using AstraZeneca vaccine despite thrombosis cases
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-will-continue-using-...

"...the government also has an agreement to purchase more than 40 million AstraZeneca doses that will be manufactured in Argentina and bottled here."

BajaNomad - 3-14-2021 at 11:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/world-he...

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/we-are-f...

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/emails-who-term...

https://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/dcnf-v-hhs-nov-2020-...

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/former-w...




So many of the sources cited in many of these posts lack credibility - many of them known as sources of false and/or highly misleading claims - much of which appears to be politically motivated (USA politics). Hard to really attach credibility to anyone believing these claims - or using them to make a case for anything to anyone else. Hard to find them relevant for a Baja California Mexico forum when they appear to be highly driven by association to USA political motivations. Just sayin'. ;)


Quote:

John Soloman (political commentator), is the source of/behind justthenews.com:

"been accused of magnifying small scandals, creating fake controversy and advancing conspiracy theories."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Solomon_(political_commentator)



Quote:

Judicial Watch (JW) is an American conservative activist group that files Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits to investigate claimed misconduct by government officials.

...JW has made numerous false and unsubstantiated claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch


:no:



[Edited on 3-14-2021 by BajaNomad]

BajaNomad - 3-14-2021 at 11:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  

Mexico will continue using AstraZeneca vaccine despite thrombosis cases
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-will-continue-using-...

"...the government also has an agreement to purchase more than 40 million AstraZeneca doses that will be manufactured in Argentina and bottled here."


Yep. No surprises here!

The AstraZeneca vaccine is cheaper and only requires normal refrigeration.

:light:

It is not just the corona virus you have to pay attention to!

AKgringo - 3-14-2021 at 12:04 PM

I recently helped out a former relative by marriage, so she will be doing some house keeping for a while to return the favor. She showed up sneezing and coughing, and saying it must be allergies!

With fresh snow still on the ground, I think we can rule out pollen and mold, but not the common cold! I am three days away from my second vaccination, and I don't think they would give it to me if I show up sick!

Even if they would give me the vaccination, I still don't want a cold! My house cleaning can wait, I sent her home, hopefully before she passed it on to me!

[Edited on 3-14-2021 by AKgringo]

John Harper - 3-14-2021 at 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I recently helped out a former relative by marriage, so she will be doing some house keeping for a while to return the favor. She showed up sneezing and coughing, and saying it must be allergies!

With fresh snow still on the ground, I think we can rule out pollen and mold, but not the common cold! I am three days away from my second vaccination, and I don't think they would give it to me if I show up sick!

Even if they would give me the vaccination, I still don't want a cold! My house cleaning can wait, I sent her home, hopefully before she passed it on to me!


Perhaps a reason she should maybe have worn a mask? Good old "common courtesy?" Not so common anymore, sadly.

And also because we all hopefully realize by now how easily transmitted some viruses (Common cold, flu, Covid) really are. Maybe the Asian countries are on to something with mask wearing a common social norm.

Good luck.

John

[Edited on 3-14-2021 by John Harper]

caj13 - 3-14-2021 at 05:22 PM

I can not understand the lack of respect for other individuals. whether you believe in masks or not, whats the harm in acknowledging you are aware of other peoples concerns and fears, and demonstrating you are in this fight along with them. wear the mask PROPERLY - its not that hard - mouth AND nose - seriously!

I've got both my doses, according to the CDC i'm good to go in closed spaces with unmasked people - but how do other people know that?

whenever i go into the store, or anywhere else people are - I wear a mask - it's the least I can do to show other people I respect them and care about their health. its not that freaking hard!

The other thing is - Idiots pretty much self identify - right!
so seriously - is the nose out thing some sort of the user not understanding the dificult instructions in wearing such mask? or is it their attempt to demonstrate how MAGALOSER they are?

One really funny trend here in central Cal - a bunch of idiots decided they would use the "i'm eating" defence as they wheeled around costco with their drink in their hand -mask down, sipping occasionlly - what a bunch of boobs!

Costco - it took em about 2 days to stomp that crap down - - now - no eating or drinking in the store - ah crud, I guess the nose out crew needs to come up with another creative work around

[Edited on 3-15-2021 by caj13]

mtgoat666 - 3-14-2021 at 05:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
I can not understand the lack of respect for other individuals. whether you believe in masks or not, whats the harm in acknowledging you are aware of other peoples concerns and fears, and demonstrating you are in this fight along with them. wear the mask PROPERLY - its not that hard - mouth AND nose - seriously!

I've got both my doses, according to the CDC i'm good to go in closed spaces with unmasked people - but how do other people know that?

whenever i go into the store, or anywhere else people are - I wear a mask - it's the least I can do to show other people I respect them and care about their health. its not that freaking hard!

The other thing is - Idiots pretty much self identify - right!
so seriously - is the nose out thing some sort of the user not understanding the dificult instructions in wearing such mask? or is it their attempt to demonstrate how MAGALOSER they are?

One really funny trend here in central Cal - a bunch of idiots decided they would use the "i'm eating" defence as they wheeled around costco with their drink in their hand -mask down, sipping occasionlly - what a bunch of boobs!

Costco - it took em about 2 days to stomp that crap down - - now - no eating or drinking in the store - ah crud, I guess the nose out crew needs to come up with another creative work around

[Edited on 3-15-2021 by caj13]


Blame the idiotic trump admin that declared covid and public health a commie fakery.
Blame the GOP lemmings that blindly follow trump’s idiocy.

RFClark - 3-14-2021 at 06:19 PM

Here’s what the CDC says! These are tested admissions for COVID. Black is overall, Red is 65+ note when it starts to turn down!

D7069D09-E0DD-4A7C-8DBF-89F1B5FCEBD0.jpeg - 236kB

gnukid - 3-14-2021 at 08:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  



So many of the sources cited in many of these posts lack credibility - many of them known as sources of false and/or highly misleading claims - much of which appears to be politically motivated (USA politics). Hard to really attach credibility to anyone believing these claims - or using them to make a case for anything to anyone else. Hard to find them relevant for a Baja California Mexico forum when they appear to be highly driven by association to USA political motivations. Just sayin'. ;)


Quote:


I have always provided a broad range of sources, none of which are discredited or lack credibility.

Today, I shared recent news adding to the narrative, from major sources and the moderator removed those, which shows a bias, having nothing to do with sources, including, Newsweek, MSN, CFR, and Judicial Watch?

There is huge amount of information available to consider, covering covid, with more being revealed each day, prompting local , state, and federal investigations, based on FOIAs, internal whistleblowers, to admit incentivization of amplification of cases to promote a pandemic and rush untested vaccines, that caused harm.

This is not a topic worthy of personal attacks, personal insults, and unsubstantiated claims. If posters have a point, make it and provide sources and let readers decide if they want to read it and join in thoughtful discussion with sources.

'Resign, Mr. Cuomo': New York Paper That Endorsed Governor Three Times Turns on Him
https://www.newsweek.com/resign-mr-cuomo-new-york-paper-that...

Cuomo and elderly deaths: Public missteps mounting
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-and-elderly-deaths-p...

Cuomo Rebuked By His Own Party As Entire Democratic Faction Removes His Emergency Powers
https://www.newsweek.com/cuomo-rebuked-his-own-party-entire-...

Andrew Cuomo Under Siege as Democrats Revolt Amid Reports of Federal Probe
https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-cuomo-under-siege-democrats-...

Andrew Cuomo's Aide Says Office Kept Nursing Home Deaths Under Wraps to Avoid Giving Trump Ammunition
https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-cuomos-aide-says-office-kept...

The WHO and China: Dereliction of Duty
https://www.cfr.org/blog/who-and-china-dereliction-duty

Judicial Watch Sues CDC for Communications with Big Tech on COVID-19
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/cdc-communicati...





RFClark - 3-14-2021 at 11:29 PM

Baja north and south survive on tourism, as does much of Mexico. Vaccinating Americans helps the Mexican economy directly. Anti-vaccers are found on both sides of US politics. All of them are wrong!

The fact is there are a lot of tourists in Baja. There are lots of people building houses in the Todos Santos-Los Cabos area. Mexico is generally a wonderful place with a terrible reputation sometimes deserved and sometimes not! Politics flows both ways access the border! The US could survive without Mexico as a trading partner. The same can't be said for Mexico! Baja’s prosperity is tied to the US and is affected by our politics!

This means that US politics affects a place we all claim to be interested in! Politics in the US is going to get worse and might not get better soon or ever!

The Manager here seems to be Liberal, a number of those who support this site seem to be Conservative. Saying that almost a million people were vaccinated on inauguration day and if the Feds hadn't bought 100s of million doses of unproven vaccines last spring we wouldn’t have them now shouldn't be political but it is!

That’s the dilemma and there’s blame enough to go around!

gnukid - 3-16-2021 at 10:20 AM

Vaccination is not an all or none proposition. Evaluating a proposed experimental vaccine is not antivax, it is a normal, reasonable approach to evaluate risk versus reward for overall health.

The goal is for everyone to be healthy. The path to achieve health is personal, each person will make their decisions and commit to action about diet, exercise, and rest, based on the information and experience they have.

It is not the role of government to restrict individual freedom of liberty and mobility or require masks, toxic sanitizers or force medication for healthy people.

Not all medicine is created equal. Typically vaccinations take 10-20 years to develop and test. Never before this year has there been a successful mRNA vaccine, previous attempts testing on animals showed some good results and later negative results and early deaths.

Influenza has had a diminishing impact year to year from the 1900s to today, with CDC reporting actual excess deaths associated with influenza are less than 1000 (after initially reporting many thousands) in the USA, in 2004, for example, after thorough analysis, which has been shared here.

While influenza deaths have diminished overtime, influenza vaccines injuries have increased overtime, resulting in hundreds of thousands of influenza adverse effects in the USA each year, yet, no demonstrable proof of efficacy?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

CDC, WHO admit that they greatly exaggerated COVID cases and deaths by radically simplifying guidelines while financially incentivizing categorizing cases and deaths, such that no positive test nor symptoms were required to assign covid to cases and deaths.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/cdc-director-agrees-that-...

On inauguration day, those covid guidelines were changed to require symptoms and reduced cycle count of PCR RT test which greatly reduced cases and deaths.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/experts-us-covid-19...

CDC issued notice that of those initial reports more than %96 of deaths were not from covid, they were underlying severe illnesses, often of patients in hospice, or those who died in an accident, etc.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/31/94-of-americans-who-died-from-...

In the USA, due to these vague guidelines, there are more positive COVID cases in the state of OHIO than in the entire country of China, Russia, Korea, for example.

https://time.com/5850680/u-s-response-covid-19-worse-than-ch...

Today, no scientifically demonstrable isolated unique externally airborne contagious virus called SARS2 NCOV19 exists that is flying through the air that will infect you, causing millions of infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths in the USA.

What is irefered to COVID is common human RNA identified as a contagion, the pandemic narrative was created, pushed through collusion of mass media, social media WHO, CDC, WEF, Fauci and Gates with premeditation, foreknowledge, motive and means to promote distribution and sale of mRNA "gene therapy" software platform vaccines without thorough testing nor evaluation.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3925/rr-2

https://digital.nhs.uk/about-nhs-digital/contact-us/freedom-...

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-scie...

Associated restrictions, codified state and federal executive orders also caused significant amplification of harm to seniors, through isolation in nursing homes lacking proper care as is now well reported, in the case of Cuomo, Whitmer, Pritzker, Newsom, etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-and-elderly-deaths-p...

Majority of people who cared for themselves at home recovered while those who were intubated in hospital predominantly died.

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/at-86-9-death-r...

Still today, no mRNA vaccine has been approved formally, those gene therapy products are approved for "experimental emergency use", with no long term testing nor testing on high risk demographics.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%...

Traditional influenza vaccines use a mix of previous years viral expression along with adjuvants to provoke an antibody reaction, which the body would naturally do anyway. There is no proof that that the mixture of previous years viral expression is the same as this years influenza, likely it's not, its a crapshoot theory, that has significant negative outcomes from adverse reactions to arm injuries to paralysis, and deaths.

mRNA SARS2 NCOV19 vaccines are not vaccines, that theoretically work by using snippets of a virus’s genetic material (instead an inactivated or weakened form of the virus itself) to tell the body to super produce the proteins that trigger the body’s protective immune response.

https://www.drugs.com/history/mrna-1273.html

So, why would there be a rush to distribute a non tested, never before used gene therapy mRNA technology for experimental emergency use to super produce the proteins that supposedly provoke flulike illness with widespread distribution on a population that is healthy, and those that have the flu recover %99.9 on average which is within the same range year to year, while many other illnesses cause more deaths?

While these mRNA vaccines aren't actually vaccines and don't protect you from being infected nor from transmission, supposedly?

https://drtrozzi.com/2021/01/this-is-not-a-vaccine/

And those that at high risk from influenza are at high risk from infection and of adverse effect from experimental injections?

In the short term testing of the mRNA vaccine candidates practically all participants experienced severe reactions.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-b...

There is more for to learn about long term use, for example, anti-biotics were thought to be miracles, but over-time their use has prompted super-bugs, like super-MRSA, that are immune to antibiotics, such that antibiotics are a double edged sword whose use is discouraged. Entering a typical hospital that treats infections with antibiotics is among the most high risk activities resulting in cause of deaths.

https://www.staph-infection-resources.com/info/superbugs/

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/before-surgery-...

Do your own research into what is a MRNA vaccine, what is a virus, is viral infection an external contagion or internal expression of cellular cleansing or cellular detoxification.

https://lbry.tv/Stefano---Tom-2-25-21:8a23013f025bc0e1e5c496...

Research Louis Pasteur versus Antoine Bechamp, viral theory versus human terrain theory or exosomes versus viruses.

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/notes-from-yester...

It is well admitted that PCR RT is not a test for specificity of unique SARS2 NCOV19 virus, clearly stated by its creator Cary Mullis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oza1j2_WqBk&feature=yout...

CDC, WHO etc, agree PCR RT is not a test for isolated virus resulting in large numbers of false COVID19 positives, meaning it is not a test for SARS2 NCOV19, yet,was used to amplify case numbers to justify need for a "vaccine", just as was done previously by Fauci, with AZT along with his "c-cktail of drugs that was extremely toxic, unjustified and caused significant harm.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/fauci-fun-facts-dr-...

https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/anthony-fauci-40-years-of-lie...

Accept that Fauci promoted the acceptance that HIV caused AIDS and the use of PCR RT to diagnose AIDS, which was a fraud. There is no test for AIDS, nor a direct casual relationship of HIV to AIDS.

https://principia-scientific.com/dr-fauci-40-years-of-lies-f...

mRNA vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna inject synthesized mRNA like a software programming platform to supposedly prompt the body to super produce something claimed to be SARS2 NCOV19 proteins to prompt the body to be better able to respond. BUT, humans already had %99.9 recovery on average?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/09/28/new-cdc-c...

Issues of note:

Amplification and incentivization of numbers cases and deaths resulting in exaggeration of risk.

Preplanned promotion of pandemic in collusion with media, CDC, WHO, to promote distribution of mRNA vaccines.

Lack of justification for altering way of life, causing significant economic, physical and mental harm, resulting in amplified early deaths in seniors, and significant hardship.

Close of small business while big box stores remain open, closure of religious facilities, restriction to personal liberty, mobility, freedom of speech.

Broad expansion of power of government over personal health with no justification nor demonstrable proof of relationship of efficacy of executive orders to impact risk, nor proof of actual risk from social engagement, mobility, human interaction, nor proof that face masks and hand sanitizer is justified or beneficial.

There are basic health questions about the existence of viral covid contagion, versus a natural expression of cellular cleansing and detoxification.

https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/the-virus-is-a-concept-th...

What are the risks of mandated restrictions and mRNA platform products?

Where is the justification of risk versus reward?



[Edited on 3-16-2021 by gnukid]

John Harper - 3-16-2021 at 10:37 AM

"I ain't got nobody
Nobody cares for me, nobody
Nobody cares for me
I'm so sad and lonely
Sad and lonely, sad and lonely"

-gnukid

RFClark - 3-16-2021 at 11:06 AM

I had two doses of the mRNA vaccine and i still don’t like Bill Gates or Joe Biden!

I asked Goat this question, “Who do you buy tires for your car from?” He didn’t answer, you probably wont either!

pacificobob - 3-16-2021 at 11:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
"I ain't got nobody
Nobody cares for me, nobody
Nobody cares for me
I'm so sad and lonely
Sad and lonely, sad and lonely"

-gnukid


i wonder if in the alternative reality of gnuboy mind people actually read the plethora of bull sheet links he posts.

gnukid - 3-16-2021 at 12:58 PM

If you're not allowed to question it, then it's not science.


motoged - 3-16-2021 at 01:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
If you're not allowed to question it, then it's not science.



That doesn't make any sense to me....peer reviews in the scientific community include questions.

I rarely skim over your posts as I have a life beyond this conversation.....do you?

How do you find time to fix all those rusted out motors?

RFClark - 3-16-2021 at 02:27 PM

Just remember that Professor Langley was the “Expert”, The Wright Bros were just, “fringe bicycle mechanics“!

“Science” is littered with the corpses of “Experts”!

Most recently, SpaceX has eaten everyone’s lunch and compared to NASA he’s a “Bicycle Mechanic”! Outrageous Claims require outrageous proofs! The Wrights and Musk both have supplied proof a plenty!

I still want to know where the conspiracy theorists buy their tires though!

gnukid - 3-16-2021 at 04:05 PM

RFClark, I buy my tires from a dealer like Versa in Baja that sells BF GoodRich or Michelin. I understand are both brands are owned by the French company though BF Goodrich is supposedly made in USA?

Are you implying most tires are made in China??$%#@!

gnukid - 3-16-2021 at 04:11 PM

Here is a discussion with a leading vaccine developer who discusses why vaccines are good, how they should be used and he explores risk versus reward of prophylactic type of vaccines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAtg85QEKGk

Mass Vaccination in a Pandemic - Benefits versus Risks: interview with Geert Vanden Bossche


mtgoat666 - 3-16-2021 at 04:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Here is a discussion with a leading vaccine developer who discusses why vaccines are good, how they should be used and he explores risk versus reward of prophylactic type of vaccines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAtg85QEKGk

Mass Vaccination in a Pandemic - Benefits versus Risks: interview with Geert Vanden Bossche



Gnukid,
Why you posting flash links? You profess to be a computer whiz kid - you should know better than to post obsolete stuff...

RFClark - 3-16-2021 at 06:59 PM

gnukid,

No I’m saying that if you conspiracy folks (both Left and Right) trust DOT enough to drive on tires that can have all kinds of failures but don't trust the CDC (same government) enough to get the various vaccinations you are inconsistent at the least! If they’ll lie to you about shots, they’ll lie to you about tires too! Think about it!

mtgoat666 - 3-16-2021 at 07:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
I had two doses of the mRNA vaccine and i still don’t like Bill Gates or Joe Biden!

I asked Goat this question, “Who do you buy tires for your car from?” He didn’t answer, you probably wont either!


Last tires I bought were for my trailer, think I bought them online, on sale, and had them mounted at a local tire shop. Before that, Costco. Before that, discount tire. Before that, I forget.



John Harper - 3-16-2021 at 07:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
gnukid,

No I’m saying that if you conspiracy folks (both Left and Right) trust DOT enough to drive on tires that can have all kinds of failures but don't trust the CDC (same government) enough to get the various vaccinations you are inconsistent at the least! If they’ll lie to you about shots, they’ll lie to you about tires too! Think about it!


Cognitive dissonance seems a staple in gnukid's world.

John

RFClark - 3-16-2021 at 07:22 PM

Goat,

You trust the craven commercial interests and the DOT,(government) to sell you tires that won’t deliberately kill you but not other things? Same craven commercial interests and government! Just saying, thats inconsistent at the least!

mtgoat666 - 3-16-2021 at 07:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Goat,

You trust the craven commercial interests and the DOT,(government) to sell you tires that won’t deliberately kill you but not other things? Same craven commercial interests and government! Just saying, thats inconsistent at the least!


Wtf are you talking about?

RFClark - 3-16-2021 at 07:34 PM

If ths is too complicated, I’ll try and make it simpler. Every transaction you make requires some trust in others, both government and or the seller. If you believe that one or the other is out to get you how can you buy anything at all? If the vaccinations aren't safe why would anything be safe? Milk, tires, you name it!

Yet the people who cry conspiracy the loudest still drive and buy things vouched for by others! That’s inconsistent!

gnukid - 3-16-2021 at 08:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
\

...trust DOT enough to drive on tires that can have all kinds of failures but don't trust the CDC (same government)


I have had two new bf Goodrich tires explode, one set of Goodyears failed and were under recall but I was not notified and a set of michelins had uneven wear.

So yes failures occur, though, buying tires is one thing, versus taking (CDC) word that your (RNA) computer system is unreliable, so everyone of you need to accept an artificial simulated new one that is untested long term for failures and only available under emergency authorization, while you know from your history that your (RNA) computer system is the most reliable system available and you are healthy, and their history has a long list of failures?

Perhaps this is not a situation that deserves a tires versus vaccines comparison, though, I thought you were going for the argument that everything comes from China wheeeew.

Again, the focus is on risk versus reward of an experimental mRNA vaccine with no long term testing.

RFClark - 3-16-2021 at 08:17 PM

gnukid,

Bad tires kill more people than bad Vaccinations yet most take the risk and drive!! Large rocks often fall from the sky too! There are no absolute guarantees!

motoged - 3-16-2021 at 08:31 PM

Geezuz.....this just turned into a tire thread !!!!!

Ya gotta love BN..... next morph will be "Who/where can you trust for street tacos?" :biggrin:

RFClark - 3-16-2021 at 08:41 PM

Street fish tacos in Ensenada often equal Moctezuma’s revenge so probably that’s a conspiracy too! (Irony!)

Glidergeek - 3-17-2021 at 07:45 AM

I got immunized July 24 when I tested positive for the China virus.
Nov 20, Dec 19, Feb 5 and Mar 5 my Antibodies are still positive. sorry for the thread drift.

there I fixed it for all of you cry babies

[Edited on 3-17-2021 by Glidergeek]

David K - 3-17-2021 at 08:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
I got vaccinated July 24 when I tested positive for the China virus.
Nov 20, Dec 19, Feb 5 and Mar 5 my Antibodies are still positive. sorry for the thread drift.


Vaccinated with what? The first Covid shots were in mid December.

Glidergeek - 3-17-2021 at 08:14 AM

I'm with Medicare, w/Kaiser sup and I asked my primary for the tests so I know when my antibodies run out. I'm an old guy (68) and the Dr is interested too as to when they run out. So far they have not charged me for the 4 tests. As of today according to the WWW 29.6 mil people in the USA potentially have antibodies. Not counting the asymptomatic that don't even know they've had the China virus. On Dec 20 I flew to Ohio (3 connecting flights) it was nice to know I was protected.

Glidergeek - 3-17-2021 at 08:19 AM

Immunization confers immunity. As such, a person can become immune to a disease when the body is exposed to the disease-causing organism (pathogen) and develops antibodies to fight it. The exposure can occur either through vaccination or natural infection.

With that said, the term immunization infers vaccination rather than natural infection.

this is my source...https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-difference-between-immunization-and-vaccination-4140251

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
I got vaccinated July 24 when I tested positive for the China virus.
Nov 20, Dec 19, Feb 5 and Mar 5 my Antibodies are still positive. sorry for the thread drift.


Vaccinated with what? The first Covid shots were in mid December.

pacificobob - 3-17-2021 at 08:23 AM

china virus? who calls it that? oh , wait. never mind.

Skipjack Joe - 3-17-2021 at 11:57 AM

Gnukid.

They say leaders are not the ones who make the right decisions but those who talk the longest and the loudest. Perhaps you'll outlast us all. I've grown weary of all this.

Mr. Bills - 3-17-2021 at 12:31 PM

Back on the topic of who is vaccinated and ready for Baja.

I will be second dose +14 tomorrow.

I intend to head for Baja at the end of next week.

pacificobob - 3-17-2021 at 12:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
Gnukid.

They say leaders are not the ones who make the right decisions but those who talk the longest and the loudest. Perhaps you'll outlast us all. I've grown weary of all this.


i couldn't agree more.

bajagregg - 3-17-2021 at 04:57 PM

Got my second shot of the Pfizer vaccine today at Kaiser Permanente and had an interesting conversation with the LVN. I mentioned that my sister-in-law got the J & J shot and that it really affected her for a day. The LVN said that is what they are seeing with some some people with the JNJ shot. She went on to say that the Pfizer shots seem to be best as far as reactions go.

AKgringo - 3-17-2021 at 05:20 PM

I got my second Pfizer shot at a VA clinic near me today. The reaction after my first shot was almost undetectable, but I was told that the second one may be more troublesome than the first.

55steve - 3-17-2021 at 05:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajagregg  
Got my second shot of the Pfizer vaccine today at Kaiser Permanente and had an interesting conversation with the LVN. I mentioned that my sister-in-law got the J & J shot and that it really affected her for a day. The LVN said that is what they are seeing with some some people with the JNJ shot. She went on to say that the Pfizer shots seem to be best as far as reactions go.


I got my 2nd Pfizer this past Sat (3/13) and I was sick for two days.

KurtG - 3-17-2021 at 07:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I got my second Pfizer shot at a VA clinic near me today. The reaction after my first shot was almost undetectable, but I was told that the second one may be more troublesome than the first.


After first Pfizer shot I had a lot of fatigue for two days. Slept a lot and then was fine. Second shot I had chills overnight and then was fine with no more side effects. I considered both events to be minor and a small price to pay for the benefits. Among my family and friends no significant side effects have been reported for either Pfizer or Moderna. Don't know anyone who has gotten the J&J.

elgatoloco - 3-17-2021 at 09:44 PM

https://www.google.com/search?q=CRIME+ON+AISIANS&rlz=1C1...


David K - 3-18-2021 at 07:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by KurtG  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I got my second Pfizer shot at a VA clinic near me today. The reaction after my first shot was almost undetectable, but I was told that the second one may be more troublesome than the first.


After first Pfizer shot I had a lot of fatigue for two days. Slept a lot and then was fine. Second shot I had chills overnight and then was fine with no more side effects. I considered both events to be minor and a small price to pay for the benefits. Among my family and friends no significant side effects have been reported for either Pfizer or Moderna. Don't know anyone who has gotten the J&J.


I got the J&J 'one and done' shot, 9 days ago... not one problem, no pain, nada.

gnukid - 3-18-2021 at 03:24 PM

A covid vaccine concern is the affect of the various covid vaccines on the overall viral mutations and potential virus immunity escape.

As more and more people become vaccinated, each vaccinated person is less dependent on natural immunity, nk cells (natural killers), general and specific anti-bodies, while the virus is in an escalating race with artificial immune responses and subsequent variants, resulting in stronger and stronger viral mutation, outside of our natural anti-viral response realm of abilities.

While vaccinated people may have an initial successful response, mutating viruses in response to vaccines puts them and those around them more so at risk of a super-virus or viral escape, creating a "zombie apocalypse".

Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Model analyzes how viruses escape the immune system
https://news.mit.edu/2021/model-viruses-escape-immune-0114

Dire Coronavirus Prediction: Virus Evolving to Escape Current Vaccines, Treatments – “May Be Condemned to Chasing After the Evolving SARS-CoV-2 Continually
https://scitechdaily.com/dire-coronavirus-prediction-virus-e...

New Study of Coronavirus Variants Predicts Virus Evolving to Escape Current Vaccines, Treatments
https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/new-study-coronavirus-va...

Vaccine wars escalate as new antibody escape variants raise the bar
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-vaccine-wars-escalate...

Harvard Epidemiologist Warns People About “Immune Escape” After New COVID-19 Vaccines
https://www.boredpanda.com/michael-mina-covid-mutations-vacc...

Immune Escape | Jessica Brinkworth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX-ZFinrbLo

The Potential Downsides To mRNA Vaccines For COVID-19?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDrgu4w4pp8

Antigenic Escape
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigenic_escape

Zombie Preparedness
https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm

The CDC Puts Out A Zombie Apocalypse Guide
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-cdc-puts-out-a-...

Crimson Contagion 2019
https://archive.org/details/crimson-contagion-2019


[Edited on 3-19-2021 by gnukid]

RFClark - 3-18-2021 at 09:36 PM

mmunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

gnukid,

So I actually read your above referenced paper. Here is what the lead author said about its relationship to current mRNA vaccines.

“The recommendation for caution is indeed the final line of the study’s conclusion, as published on the above link, but the lead author of the study, Prof Chien-Te (Kent) Tseng (here), told Reuters by email that the animals in the study did not die.

He said that immunised mice “generated strong and highly protective antibody responses which fully protect immunized mice against lethal infection”.

He said that when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they developed eosinophilia (a high count of a type of white blood cells) but, despite this, they “found that mice survived the lethal challenge without showing any readily noticeable weight loss and other signs of illness.”

The above is quoted from a Reuters interview of Tseng!

This is way more effort than is deserved by your theories! Zombie Apocalypse indeed! You need to get a life!




gnukid - 3-19-2021 at 08:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

gnukid,

So I actually read your above referenced paper. Here is what the lead author said about its relationship to current mRNA vaccines.

“The recommendation for caution is indeed the final line of the study’s conclusion, as published on the above link, but the lead author of the study, Prof Chien-Te (Kent) Tseng (here), told Reuters by email that the animals in the study did not die.

He said that immunised mice “generated strong and highly protective antibody responses which fully protect immunized mice against lethal infection”.

He said that when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they developed eosinophilia (a high count of a type of white blood cells) but, despite this, they “found that mice survived the lethal challenge without showing any readily noticeable weight loss and other signs of illness.”

The above is quoted from a Reuters interview of Tseng!

This is way more effort than is deserved by your theories! Zombie Apocalypse indeed! You need to get a life!


Here is the studies conclusion, (not mine), it's something to consider.

"Conclusions

These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated."

Great to be having a discussion on potential long term affects, risk versus reward of the experimental vaccines with you!

Have A Great Weekend

[Edited on 3-19-2021 by gnukid]

BajaMama - 3-19-2021 at 08:09 AM

Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks.

elgatoloco - 3-19-2021 at 09:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks.


You CAN make an appointment

https://covid19.ca.gov/

People with a high chance of exposure, high-risk, and those 65 or older are eligible for vaccination and can schedule appointments now. If you’re eligible, and live or work in certain counties, you can schedule an appointment through My Turn. Appointments are available in Spanish.

Bajabus - 3-19-2021 at 09:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  


*****


*****

In any case I am glad to see people taking COVID seriously and getting vaccinated. I eagerly await my next Pfizer shot here in B.C.S.



[Edited on 3-29-2021 by BajaNomad]

willardguy - 3-19-2021 at 11:22 AM

I saw HRC and thought we were gonna have a discussion about Ken Roczen!.........BRAAAAAP

BajaTed - 3-19-2021 at 01:07 PM

Sitting in my car, I saw white tents and one black tent.
I got routed to the black tent.
They lowered the tent flaps.
It got dark and I don't remember what happened next.
I wake up and my truck is in a parking place fifty feet from the black tent.
Suddenly, my phone starts vibrating and the girl voice from Google maps starts calling my name.
I answer "what do you want"
She says in a new loud voice that "you are now 5G"
Everybody's happy and they now use me as a mobile hot spot, Never been more popular in my whole life.
Get your vaccine and bring 5G to Baja

ligui - 3-19-2021 at 01:29 PM

Man ! You guys need to get la-d. :bounce:

AKgringo - 3-19-2021 at 01:35 PM

:?: Ted, can I get some of whatever you are on?

[Edited on 3-19-2021 by AKgringo]

BajaMama - 3-19-2021 at 06:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks.


You CAN make an appointment

https://covid19.ca.gov/

People with a high chance of exposure, high-risk, and those 65 or older are eligible for vaccination and can schedule appointments now. If you’re eligible, and live or work in certain counties, you can schedule an appointment through My Turn. Appointments are available in Spanish.


Unfortunately., Multiple Sclerosis and Hypertension are excluded from the list of current eligibility. I did go on line to schedule but it rubs me the wrong way to lie. I'm good to wait - I am retired and am not at risk of catching or spreading.

BajaTed - 3-20-2021 at 10:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
:?: Ted, can I get some of whatever you are on?

[Edited on 3-19-2021 by AKgringo]



I'm up around 30 Gigahertz and holding steady :smug:


motoged - 3-20-2021 at 10:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
:?: Ted, can I get some of whatever you are on?

[Edited on 3-19-2021 by AKgringo]


:lol::lol: You beat me to it..... WTF ????

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