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Most of California's coronavirus rules governing public gatherings will disappear on Tuesday.

GeraldoS - 6-14-2021 at 10:34 AM

It's official: Most of California's coronavirus rules governing public gatherings will disappear on Tuesday. Governor Gavin Newsom signed an executive order on Friday afternoon that will end the stay-at-home orders and its various amendments. This comes as roughly 70% of adults across the state have received at least one dose of the vaccine. Starting Tuesday there’s no more capacity limits, physical distancing requirements, and people who are fully vaccinated can forget the face mask.

AKgringo - 6-14-2021 at 11:00 AM

Gee...maybe I can now get a real, face to face appointment with my veterinarian! The last drive by appointment was a joke.

Stay in the car, mask on and turn my dog over to kid that doesn't know what end of the dog to stick the thermometer in? No opportunity to interact with the veterinarian, or observe their treatment and handling of my best friend?

I have been vaccinated, and I am sure they have been too. I will wear a mask if I need to, but they need to get back to full service!

JZ - 6-14-2021 at 11:00 AM

Good news.

JZ - 6-14-2021 at 11:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Gee...maybe I can now get a real, face to face appointment with my veterinarian! The last drive by appointment was a joke.

Stay in the car, mask on and turn my dog over to kid that doesn't know what end of the dog to stick the thermometer in? No opportunity to interact with the veterinarian, or observe their treatment and handling of my best friend?

I have been vaccinated, and I am sure they have been too. I will wear a mask if I need to, but they need to get back to full service!


Our vet offered both, curb drop off or you could go in.

Not sure what they did in the early days, but for sure in the Fall last year you could go inside.

Now taking your kid to the hospital, forget about going beyond the waiting room.


[Edited on 6-14-2021 by JZ]

David K - 6-14-2021 at 02:18 PM

We have a vet appointment soon (Harry or 'Hairy' the cat) and last year the procedure was to park outside the office and call when you arrive. An assistant comes out to collect your animal and then the vet calls you with the diagnosis or q & a. This next appointment (made last week), we asked if we can walk in or ? They said it was still park outside and call... However, maybe that will change after tomorrow. I will let you know how it goes on the 18th.

Alm - 6-14-2021 at 11:00 PM

If most coronavirus rules will disappear, the virus will disappear same Tuesday. It just can't be any other way, right? :)

mtgoat666 - 6-15-2021 at 07:35 AM

The rules in California only allow for the vaccinated to go without masks. The unvaccinated must still mask up.

gnukid - 6-15-2021 at 07:58 AM

Naturally recuperated have proven immunity while vaccinated are super spreaders of toxic covid spike proteins that cause blood clots, injuries, infertility and death.

Now one is wearing masks anywhere anymore, except to step through a doorway.

Fraud is apparent to everyone, no one is asking for masks, no one wears masks, because it's obvious masks are theatre to promote synthetic mRNA gene modification vaccines which now are shown to have significant adverse events globally, short and long term.

This has been a criminal demonic debacle that will go down as the greatest crime against people of all time.

msteve1014 - 6-15-2021 at 08:02 AM

I think the news is we can go back to doing what we want. Goat can wear a mask in his house, JZ can take the busty hair dresser out in the big boat. I want to go with JZ, I could use a little trim after all this. jaja.

[Edited on 6-15-2021 by msteve1014]

ehall - 6-15-2021 at 09:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm  
If most coronavirus rules will disappear, the virus will disappear same Tuesday. It just can't be any other way, right? :)


The media will do it's best to keep the fear running strong.

JZ - 6-15-2021 at 10:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ehall  


The media will do it's best to keep the fear running strong.


Right now they seem to be distracted in their quest to convince us that all white men are racist and telling us our kids need to be taught Critical Race Theory before the US can have a pure re-boot.

mtgoat666 - 6-15-2021 at 10:04 AM

Risk for COVID-19 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death By Age Group:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi...

you middle-aged and elderly should look at the risks, before dismissing it as a nothing burger

have you ever been intubated? fun, for sure!

JZ - 6-15-2021 at 10:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Risk for COVID-19 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death By Age Group:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi...

you middle-aged and elderly should look at the risks, before dismissing it as a nothing burger

have you ever been intubated? fun, for sure!


That has to be the dumbest chart ever created.

It's goal is to show increased death rate from Covid of 85 year olds compared to 5-17 year olds. Not even taking vaccines into account.

Ok, now do that for cancer, stroke, heart disease, or even natural causes?

What fear mongering. A useful chart would be the chance of a 85 vaccinated person dying from Covid. Please post that one?





[Edited on 6-15-2021 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 6-15-2021 at 10:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
A useful chart would be the chance of a 85 vaccinated person dying from Covid. Please post that one?


shorty melonhead smelly-toes mcjizzy:
here you go
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

motoged - 6-15-2021 at 11:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by ehall  


The media will do it's best to keep the fear running strong.


Right now they seem to be distracted in their quest to convince us that all white men are racist and telling us our kids need to be taught Critical Race Theory before the US can have a pure re-boot.


What flavour was the Kool Aid you guys drank ? :biggrin:

A Local Success Story ?

MrBillM - 6-16-2021 at 02:09 PM

With all of the talk over waning vaccination rates, these two days of relaxed rules regarding mask usage have shown that our local percentage of fully-vaccinated persons has easily reached the 90-99 percent level.

I'm SURE that the Honor System is working, after all.

Having (typically ?) RARELY met (or known of) a dishonest person.

How about YOU ?

JZ - 6-16-2021 at 02:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
With all of the talk over waning vaccination rates, these two days of relaxed rules regarding mask usage have shown that our local percentage of fully-vaccinated persons has easily reached the 90-99 percent level.

I'm SURE that the Honor System is working, after all.

Having (typically ?) RARELY met (or known of) a dishonest person.

How about YOU ?



As long as you are vaccinated why do you care what someone else does?

Florida has basically been open for well over a year and has almost identical numbers as CA.

David K - 6-16-2021 at 03:26 PM

Today, we just returned from breakfast at a full-house restaurant and some shopping at a busy Walmart store (garden supplies). It was so pleasant to see people's faces again and not have that thing over our face, anymore!

Like 80% of our fellow Californians, we got vaccinated, and it was at the first opportunity... So, really, a month after that we should have been ok to breathe unfiltered air, in public. The paranoia is huge and some just feel like that mask alone actually helped them. Obviously, others do not know you got the shot(s), so wearing a mask was just for them to not be scared.

I will say, the past 15 months have been the healthiest in recent memory with not even a cold or sore throat. Obviously, reduced human contact was part of that. Maybe increasing my vitamin D3 intake, too?

Let's hope our amigos in Baja can catch up, and open up without worry!

Untroubled and Laudatory

MrBillM - 6-16-2021 at 06:29 PM

I'm merely applauding that local near-universal evidence of vaccination.

Cross my heart.

Speaking of masking, I was in the market earlier when a maskless couple walked up to the pharmacy counter and were told by a staffer that they needed to mask up. As they started to argue, they were told that it remained the rule whenever they were in close contact with a service person. They walked off (back to their car for a mask ?) grumbling.

In an earlier encounter elsewhere, I noted another "mask" approach as a staffer said (to me) "thank you for wearing a mask." To which I replied "you're welcome. I'm not one of those who thinks that they're taking a stand against the Liberal Communist conspiracy by going mask-free".

Which generated a couple of COLD (Trumpista ?) looks.

Love to stir that pot.

ehall - 6-16-2021 at 07:34 PM

Why don't they count the people that had covid and are carrying antibodies into the total percentage that are vaccinated?

Ateo - 6-17-2021 at 07:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ehall  
Why don't they count the people that had covid and are carrying antibodies into the total percentage that are vaccinated?


That is an easy question to be answered and readily available for you to find in the data that science has accumulated. :D

gnukid - 6-17-2021 at 08:29 AM

Why don't they test vaccinated people to see if they produced antibodies associated to their local regional SARS2 type of influenza to know if they reduced risk or increased risk?

How is possible that a vaccine targeting a computer model in China in Dec2019/Jan2020 would correlate to each individual's local current variant?

This is always the failure of influenza type vaccines by the time you get one, the influenza is different.

These vaccines supposedly produce specific SARS2 spike proteins, forever, while those infected now have an entirely different variant, which produces spike proteins, but we would never know because there is no testing or evidence of efficacy, but there is ample evidence that spike protein production is a cause of blood clots?

Should the vaxxers chase the variants with quarterly mRNA booster shots until their bodies are mass producing spike proteins of endless variants, throughout their organs and bloodstream, causing blood clots.

The entire fiasco has no logical no evidentiary support while the risks of adverse events are high, all based on a faulty PCR RT picking up dying RNA at high cycle counts.

No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Findings of Cleveland Clinic study
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210608/No-point-vaccinat...

While we're reminding vaxers of of Fauci failures, why did he hide the benefits of Hydroxychlorine, Ivermectin and the benefits to immunity of nutrition, exercise, fresh air and sunshine?

[Edited on 6-17-2021 by gnukid]

Back on topic

pauldavidmena - 6-17-2021 at 08:50 AM

Massachusetts ended its 15-month "State of Emergency" on 6/15, and most mask and capacity mandates 3 weeks earlier (just before Memorial Day weekend). I'm still working from home and timing my trips out in public to avoid crowds. Living on Cape Cod, we're used to keeping a low profile during the summer anyway, but now we've had plenty of practice. Vaccination rates here are high, but we do get plenty of out-of-state visitors during tourist season, so I'm not licking doorknobs just yet.

StuckSucks - 6-17-2021 at 09:18 AM

MrBillM: well said.

I enjoyed this sign in the door of Tom's Place on 395:

gnukid - 6-17-2021 at 09:31 AM

Makes tremendous sense that to wear a mask to walk through doorway then remove it sitting in a chair...

JZ - 6-17-2021 at 11:00 AM

The days of wearing masks are over in the US. It's been over for many months in a lot of states and CA is now on board.

If ppl want they can sit in their basements wearing them all they want. That's their personal choice.



BajaMama - 6-17-2021 at 11:13 AM

I don't care whether the unvaccinated wear a mask or not, I'm tired of stupidity. Let em get sick, or hospitalized, or dead. Their choice and nothing we can do about it.

Unless you are in a private environment. CAL/OSHA meets today and will vote within two weeks to mandat their rules. It is looking like you may be required to wear a mask if you are not vaccinated. Thus far in the Bay Area you answer a form that asks if you are vaccinated. Options are yes/no/decline to answer. All but a yes will require a mask in the workplace. Gnukiddo don't bother responding, I don't read your posts.



[Edited on 6-17-2021 by BajaMama]

gnukid - 6-17-2021 at 11:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
I don't care whether the unvaccinated wear a mask or not, I'm tired of stupidity. Let em get sick, or hospitalized, or dead. Their choice and nothing we can do about it.

Unless you are in a private environment. CAL/OSHA meets today and will vote within two weeks to mandat their rules. It is looking like you may be required to wear a mask if you are not vaccinated. Thus far in the Bay Area you answer a form that asks if you are vaccinated. Options are yes/no/decline to answer. All but a yes will require a mask in the workplace. Gnukiddo don't bother responding, I don't read your posts.



[Edited on 6-17-2021 by BajaMama]


If you are so confident in yourself, what affect does others behavior have on you?

Why would an experimental unproven synthetic mRNA gene modification product with a long list of adverse affects, that is intended to hyper produce SARS2 spike proteins be better than naturally recuperated that does demonstrate broad immunity?

Refocus, rethink, why promote these synthetic mRNA products, what is your logic? Why would facemarks provide a benefit to anyone except those working with large dust particles? Virus is much smaller than the pores of the facemarks material?

pauldavidmena - 6-18-2021 at 06:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
I'm still working from home and timing my trips out in public to avoid crowds.

Avoiding crowds: Are you vaccinated? Not a charged question, I'm just curious about how different individuals perceive the threat level before and after vaccination.

Personally, I suspect that post-Pfeizer exposure is most likely just going to re-enforce my synthetically-induced immunity, so I'm not much concerned about what's currently floating around out there. But a year of conscientious social avoidance has formed habits...


I think you've hit the nail on the head. My wife and I are fully vaccinated, as are roughly 70% of Cape Cod's adult residents, therefore our risk level is practically zero. For better or worse, we've been conditioned to be hyper-cautious, so it will take a little while to feel normal about doing normal things.

Continuing to work from home has many advantages: I avoid 1.5 to 2 hours of commuting each day and get to be in a familiar environment with minimal distractions. And avoiding tourist crowds is par for the course for Cape Cod full-timers, not so much for health reasons but certainly to avoid inflated prices. We know where and how to shop for our essentials, and we'll return to the restaurants when they need local revenue.