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"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!

I don't know about those stats, but there are a lot of people in outlying rancherias who have not been vaxxed and don't wear masks.

BajaBlanca - 1-5-2022 at 06:25 PM

Well. I can certainly add that Covid is out of control here in La Bocana and Punta Abreojos. They offered free testing today and ran out. Many, many tested positive.

Lee - 1-5-2022 at 09:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca

Well. I can certainly add that Covid is out of control here in La Bocana and Punta Abreojos. They offered free testing today and ran out. Many, many tested positive.

What do you know then? How and where are residents being treated? Are people in quarantine?

Hook - 1-6-2022 at 07:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!

I don't know about those stats, but there are a lot of people in outlying rancherias who have not been vaxxed and don't wear masks.

That's not a correct percentage. It's 60.8% fully vaccinated and another 7% or so, partially vaccinated.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

jedge42 - 1-6-2022 at 07:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

Quote: Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!

I don't know about those stats, but there are a lot of people in outlying rancherias who have not been vaxxed and don't wear masks.

That's not a correct percentage. It's 60.8% fully vaccinated and another 7% or so, partially vaccinated.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

that site would seem to show a percentage of total population, while the original statistic was for adults ...

jake

gnukid - 1-6-2022 at 07:49 AM

Tests can not test accurately for an evolving variant, nor can a static vaccine keep up with evolving flu variants, so they are useless and often more harmful, nor has any form of Covid testing ever been accurate, as admitted by CDC, with prevalence of false positives.

Both PCR and Antigen Serological testing Emergency Use Authorization has been withdrawn by CDC and testing is not encouraged since it has no validity for variants. It's like a dog chasing it's tail.

The tests being offered here in Baja are certainly not the latest antigen serological to closely track the weekly variants and certainly not accurate as practically every tests is showing positive regardless of symptoms of illness. Nor are staff trained to properly test nor carefully mix the vaccines which are highly volatile and subject to contamination.

We have no accurate testing nor case count, nor does testing provide value. No vaccines are approved and none track the latest variant.

We do know is that many people caught the gripa (common cold) after wild parties at Christmas and New Years, stressed, underdressed for the cold weather, singing karaoke and drinking cold beers late into the night and early morning.

This cold (Omicron) lasts for a about 3 days of congestion and often included a mild cough and then it fades when treated with vitamins, medicine, rest and hot tea and soups.

Doctors here are well versed as are pharmacies to offer a protocol of Multi vitamin such as Centrum or Beroca, Vitamin B complex, Ascorbic Acid vitamin C in polio or tablet to mix in water, Calcium, D, Magnesium, and Zinc along with hot tea with Miel and hot soups, no cold drinks, room temperature fresh juices, and lemonade from Myer lemons which are in season and available everywhere.

Medicine: Decongestants, theraflu, jarabe (cough syrup), throat lozenges, anti inflammatory paracetamol or ibuprofen as needed, since I have been filling the prescriptions for many I see what is being prescribed, many with pulmonary infection congestion are prescribed clorohidrato de clindaminicina which is antibiotic and ivermectin which is anti parasitic with success in early treatment.

There are no deaths or serious illnesses reported anywhere in the world from Omicron, instead, it is believed that this mild variant is creating broad increased immunity to corona variants.

The most obviously debilitating issues, is fear of others, stress, isolation, toxic hand cleanser reducing healthy biology, schools and business closed and people refusing to go to work or go to the store for needed supplies, fresh fruits, vitamins and medicines to treat those with a cold.

Morning sunshine and fresh air with a hot tea is highly recommended.

This sharade was never about a virus.

[Edited on 1-6-2022 by gnukid]

gnukid - 1-6-2022 at 08:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!

I don't know about those stats, but there are a lot of people in outlying rancherias who have not been vaxxed and don't wear masks.

People who live in outlying ranches are the most healthy and successful people you will find in this fake crisis, likely because they don't follow trendy covid fake news, and fear mongering.

Knowing what we know now, not wearing a mask and being unvaxxed while continuing to live normally is the most successful response to the fraudulent promotion of a "Winter of Death" which was clearly false and only designed to create fear.

JDCanuck - 1-6-2022 at 09:01 AM

2 relatives in La Paz, previously vaccinated with Astrazenica, not mRNA and one who had Covid previously both just recovered from assumed Omicron strain very quickly within 4 days of mild cold like symptoms onset. Both were immune compromised before being exposed, so this is very good news. Other two household members showed no symptoms or did not contract it this time around.
Omicron seems to be ripping through La Paz extremely quickly

[Edited on 1-6-2022 by JDCanuck]

JZ - 1-6-2022 at 09:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca

Well. I can certainly add that Covid is out of control here in La Bocana and Punta Abreojos. They offered free testing today and ran out. Many, many tested positive.

Are most vaccinated? How bad are the symptoms? Hopefully mild?

JZ - 1-6-2022 at 09:32 AM

2 relatives in La Paz, previously vaccinated and one who had Covid previously both just recovered from assumed Omicron strain very quickly within 4 days of mild cold like symptoms onset. Both were immune compromised before being exposed, so this is very good news. Other two household members showed no symptoms or did not contract it this time around.
Omicron seems to be ripping through La Paz extremely quickly

Great news.

100X - 1-6-2022 at 10:04 AM

I also take all of the above as great news, no matter which side you are on:

High vaccination rate in Mexico (88% adults/67% of total is way above where I would have guessed). Luckily, kids are much less likely to have serious complications from this disease.

Omicron is relatively mild and "immunizing" or adding to the immunization of a lot of people (both vaccinated and not vaccinated), without anywhere as significant a risk as earlier strains.

Omicron is very contagious and could lead to true herd immunity in the near future, again, without the same level of danger as earlier variants.

Question: If you are say 60, in good health, and vaccinated, is there now an argument that getting Omicron would give you the best protection? Better than waiting until you are say 70 and in lesser health to get whatever strain comes around then?

sancho - 1-6-2022 at 10:52 AM

I also take all of the above as great news, no matter which side you are on:

I understand what you're saying, but why in the world would there be more than 1 side? Everyone should be pulling on
the rope in the same direction, to get beyond this the best way
we can. Doesn't science make sense?

BajaBlanca - 1-6-2022 at 10:56 AM

Regarding La Bocana, everyone who tests positive is not allowed out of their house.

Most cases, so far, are indeed mild with sick patients sleeping days on end with a fever that comes and goes.

Everyone I know except 4 Americans have been vaccinated and 60+ had vaccinations + booster shots of Sinovac. some went to TJ and got pfizer.

JZ - 1-6-2022 at 11:00 AM

Glad to hear they have been mild.

100X - 1-6-2022 at 11:46 AM

Sancho:
"I understand what you're saying, but why in the world would there be more than 1 side? Everyone should be pulling on
the rope in the same direction, to get beyond this the best way
we can. Doesn't science make sense?"

There is another post on BN with 59 pages about Covid. Regardless of the reason(s), there are indeed more than one side.

On "science": Scientists are like expert witnesses, they go to the highest bidder (and the US government is now typically the highest--but not the only--bidder).

That is why "scientists" today have such widely differing opinions, and people can then just cite the "for sale science" that supports their own opinions.

I miss the scientific method and peer review that used to lead to a reliable level of scientific consensus (and credibility), but this is seldom what happens today.

[Edited on 1-6-2022 by 100X]

JZ - 1-6-2022 at 12:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sancho

Many things are not clear cut with Covid. I could give you a hundred examples.

One is kids in school. The science always said it was safe. And also said remote learning was very harmful to kids.

Yet 50%+ of school districts caved to politically motivated school boards.

Fast forward to late 2021, and schools were given more than 100 billion $'s to improve Covid safety at schools. Chicago alone got almost $2B.

A lot of these school have re-purposed the Covid safety $'s to other pet projects (diversity and bias training).

Now all Chicago schools and many others are closed, despite the local health officials telling them that science says kids are safer in school and create less spread than being out in the community .

[Edited on 1-6-2022 by JZ]

David K - 1-6-2022 at 12:43 PM

February 2022 should be when this nonsense ends. It is time to move on with life.

Colds and flus are normal, the new variant of this pandemic is no worse than those other viruses.

We have been given the option (or orders) to vax and boost. That is all that can be offered besides the time that is normal for pandemics to pass (3 years), there is no more 'protection' than we already have.

There are now treatments available for those who get infected. Maybe see why they are not being released in quantity? Like a war, there is big money and government power-grabbing by keeping this thing alive. We, the people, must end this lunacy!

Skipjack Joe - 1-6-2022 at 01:09 PM

There are now treatments available for those who get infected. Maybe see why they are not being released in quantity? Like a war, there is big money and government power-grabbing by keeping this thing alive. We, the people, must end this lunacy!

A vaccine is almost always preferable to a treatment. Prevention is better than a cure. It's easier on the patient, the health provider, the hospitals, and the tax payer. You can make politically motivated arguments until you're blue in the face but it won't change basic facts.

JDCanuck - 1-6-2022 at 01:21 PM

We've had our vaccines, boosters provided at shorter and shorter time frames, we developed a lot of working treatments, we have a natural antibody producing weaker strain circulating rapidly, and the case fatality rates are plummeting way below where they were even 6 months ago. Thjs is what the data shows, so why are we panicking more and more as the entire situation is rapidly improving?
Here's the case fatality rate history:
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

chippy - 1-6-2022 at 01:38 PM

We've had our vaccines, boosters provided at shorter and shorter time frames, we developed a lot of working treatments, we have a natural antibody producing weaker strain circulating rapidly, and the case fatality rates are plummeting way below where they were even 6 months ago. Thjs is what the data shows, so why are we panicking more and more as the entire situation is rapidly improving?
Here's the case fatality rate history:
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

I just added Mexico to that chart and WOW! Mexico death rate is 9.26 while the US is 1.78.

[Edited on 1-6-2022 by chippy]

chippy - 1-6-2022 at 01:52 PM

Yeah that makes sense. I´ve never seen testing sites down here where I live. The only people I know who were tested were in hospital with symptoms and more than half died.

100X - 1-6-2022 at 02:06 PM

So......my earlier post/question:

Question: If you are say 60, in good health, and vaccinated, is there now an argument that getting Omicron would give you the best protection? Better than waiting until you are say 70 and in lesser health to get whatever strain comes around then?

JDCanuck - 1-6-2022 at 02:09 PM

Hi Chippy: Mexico has always under reported the cases as the vast majority were never tested til they became very severe. Tends to elevate the case fatality rates. In countries where testing is more available, they have consistently shown lower case fatalities. With Omicron we are told the real infection rates are two to three times what the tested positives show. So IFR (Infection Fatality Rates) are significantly lower, especially with a strain that has very mild or non-existent symptoms.
In our area of Canada, tests are not readily available;even the rapid tests, and the health region only tests those with significant symptoms or people returning from other countries. Consequently, ours is over reported as well.
Even so, our present case fatality rate in our health region is under 0.73%, the lowest it has ever been. All scheduled operations in hospitals are cancelled and school has been delayed for children as more and more people with mild systems are off work.

JDCanuck - 1-6-2022 at 02:15 PM

100X: That has always been my thought. At what point in your health cycle do you want to build up the natural resistance to a virus that will generate similar strains in the future, or do we want to have a booster vaccine every 3 to 4 months forever? The seasonal flu vaccines were never more than 50% effective on an average year.

JZ - 1-6-2022 at 03:12 PM

So......my earlier post/question:

Question: If you are say 60, in good health, and vaccinated, is there now an argument that getting Omicron would give you the best protection? Better than waiting until you are say 70 and in lesser health to get whatever strain comes around then?

I would say yes, but no one can say for sure.

My wife is down in Scottsdale this week with about 20 ppl for an offsite meeting.

I'm pretty sure she's gonna come back with Omicron. I'll stay clear for a few days.

Skipjack Joe - 1-6-2022 at 03:28 PM

Getting purposely sick to get healthier in the long run seems like a bad strategy to me. I doubt many medical professionals would advise that.

What gets me about those 'antivaccers' who don't want to introduce it into their bodies. They end up introducing far more chemicals after they get infected. There is no comparison. And if they end up hospitalized? The vaccine shot is miniscule compared to what they will need to pull them out of their misery.

Go with the science, not the rabble.

JDCanuck - 1-6-2022 at 03:35 PM

More and more Scientists are coming out with the idea that Omicron is advancing us to the endemic stage(fewer hospitalized) by creating broader community immunity at a much quicker rate than previously and the data is backing that viewpoint up I think.

JZ - 1-6-2022 at 03:52 PM

What gets me about those 'antivaccers' who don't want to introduce it into their bodies. They end up introducing far more chemicals after they get infected. There is no comparison. And if they end up hospitalized? The vaccine shot is miniscule compared to what they will need to pull them out of their misery.

Go with the science, not the rabble.

You do realize that the vast majority of ppl who have decided not to get vaxxed will be just fine, no? And will do even better when faced with Omicron.

And we need to just stop it with, "follow the science." That is such a horsechit statement.

You don't reduce the days in quarantine from 10 to 5 because you had some new revelation in science. They did it by performing a risk vs. benefit analysis. They decided so many ppl were going to get infected by Omicron that the US economy would grind to a halt if they didn't shorten the guideline.

Risk/benefit balance is critical in everything we do in life. We have been fighting over where the "proper balance" stood more than anything the last 2 years (not science).

The tide is turning and more Dems are moving to where the Pubs have been. Read recent statements from Fauci, the new mayor of NY, Biden on schools, governor of CO, and many, many more.

[Edited on 1-6-2022 by JZ]

David K - 1-6-2022 at 04:08 PM

If you are going to quote me only partially, and then change what I said, please don't. I am vaccinated and boosted, also got my flu shot... personally think it is a good thing to be. So, even with all this, are you saying when I get the Omicron variant (which everyone who is fully faxed and masked is still getting), we shouldn't have over-the-counter or prescription treatments? Finally, where is the political motivation to my post...? I am anti-political with this Covid garbage. Do you deny the government is using Covid to gain more power over us by removing our freedoms and letting the teacher's unions not promote members working, but still getting paid?

100X - 1-6-2022 at 04:28 PM

Skipjack Joe:
"Getting purposely sick to get healthier in the long run seems like a bad strategy to me. I doubt many medical professionals would advise that."

Isn't that what a vaccine does, this one more than others?

What if it turns out the first safe and truly effective "vaccine" is Omicron?

I have already noted the problems with "follow the [for hire] science."

Skipjack Joe - 1-6-2022 at 05:23 PM

Skipjack Joe:
"Getting purposely sick to get healthier in the long run seems like a bad strategy to me. I doubt many medical professionals would advise that."

Isn't that what a vaccine does, this one more than others?

What if it turns out the first safe and truly effective "vaccine" is Omicron?

I have already noted the problems with "follow the [for hire] science."

No. The vaccine 'side effects' are the body's immune system being charged for a viral infection. A viral infection is an attack on your body, which causes the body to fight back and in the process build it's immune system. It should be obvious which is preferable. Omicron is a virus not a vaccine. You don't want to infect the body to build resistance. Medicine has stopped doing that since the early 19th century when the bubonic plague was fought that way (read Abigail Adams, wife of 2nd POTUS).

Skipjack Joe - 1-6-2022 at 05:31 PM

That which I disagree with I respond to. Everyone does that David. Why would I quote everything you write when I'm only responding to part of it.

I am anti-political with this Covid garbage. Do you deny the government is using Covid to gain more power over us by removing our freedoms and letting the teacher's unions not promote members working, but still getting paid?

It's absurd statements like the above that get my responses.

JDCanuck - 1-6-2022 at 05:32 PM

Here is Pfizer's definition of "Endemic" sometime in 2024.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/17/pfizer-executives-say-covid-...
Covid-19 would reach the endemic level when populations have enough immunity from vaccines or from prior infections to keep transmissions, hospitalizations and deaths under control even as the virus circulates.

“When and how exactly this happens will depend on the evolution of the disease, how effectively society deploys vaccines and treatments, and equitable distribution to places where vaccination rates are low,” Pfizer chief scientific officer Mikael Dolsten said. “The emergence of new variants could also impact how the pandemic continues to play out.

Dictionary definition, specifically 3)
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/endemic

(of a disease) persisting in a population or region, generally having settled to a relatively constant rate of occurrence:The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 may never disappear, but could become endemic like HIV.

Bob and Susan - 1-6-2022 at 05:46 PM

just tell everyone you know...

The Pandemic ends Feb 1 2022

Bajaboy - 1-6-2022 at 05:55 PM

David...you called it the China Virus...nothing political or racist there.... :light:

BajaMama - 1-6-2022 at 07:20 PM

I'm surprised I haven't gotten it yet - not that I'm careless but I have been around a lot more people the past month including 10 hours in airplanes and spending the holidays with friends and family I haven't seen in a little bit (college kids,....). My husband has been seeing a LOT of employees testing positive post holidays. And we are in the "gotta do more than everyone else" Bay Area. I am grateful Omicron is less virulent especially for the vaccinated, it seems we will all get it eventually. It was bound to happen, just like with other pandemics. Virus's tend to fizzle out and become endemic, not deadly. I have been living with the mindset of two years, and hopefully that is on target and we are out of this crapola by March 2022

JZ - 1-6-2022 at 08:00 PM

just tell everyone you know...

The Pandemic ends Feb 1 2022

Greg Gutfeld agrees!! Let me know if you get that reference Bob/Susan.

I think it has a real shot. Fingers crossed.

mtgoat666 - 1-6-2022 at 08:14 PM

just tell everyone you know...

The Pandemic ends Feb 1 2022

Greg Gutfeld agrees!! Let me know if you get that reference Bob/Susan.

I think it has a real shot. Fingers crossed.

Have you turkeys looked at the graphs? The slopes are steep and rising,… history shows the peaks don’t disappear in under a month

100X - 1-6-2022 at 08:49 PM

Would "the virus from China" be more acceptable?

Is "genocide olympics" racist?

"Master bedroom"?

What makes something racist--can anyone provide a clear-cut, specific definition? I've heard it argued that it has to do with power--the theory is that the powerful are racist, regardless of their actual intent. Does this underly the "privilege" argument? If you have any sort of "privilege" (by birth, birth country, color, wealth, attractiveness, intelligence, etc.) are you then de facto/per se racist regardless of any other attribute?

If we do not get over the "everything is racist, the sky is falling" thing, is there any hope we can ever be civil to one-another again?

JZ - 1-6-2022 at 09:14 PM

Evil? Much as I poke at DK, I'll be the first to defend that he hasn't an evll bone in his body.

Verbal incontinence, definitely, but don't we all? :lol:

Sorry for any confusion, I was attempting to say the phase isn't evil (racist). I edited the post to make it more clear.

[Edited on 1-7-2022 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 1-7-2022 at 02:07 AM

just tell everyone you know...

The Pandemic ends Feb 1 2022

I tended to disagree with that thinking it was too early, but then I looked at our local new cases and the 7 day average of new cases and found you may be far closer than I had previously thought. Both are presently showing a decline following the huge surge we had recently.

The problem remains tho that we presently have far fewer staffed hospital beds per capita than needed. It will be up to future governments to restore that ratio to the number it needs to be and that's going to be a very tough job given the massive debts we have grown. In retrospect tho, it would have been far easier and cheaper than the alternatives proved to be.

Bajaboy - 1-7-2022 at 08:23 AM

Evil? Much as I poke at DK, I'll be the first to defend that he hasn't an evll bone in his body.

Verbal incontinence, definitely, but don't we all? :lol:

Sorry for any confusion, I was attempting to say the phase isn't evil (racist). I edited the post to make it more clear.

[Edited on 1-7-2022 by JZ]

I only said it was a racist comment...you are the one attaching judgement. Why would one not call the virus by its official name? And then keep repeating it....mighty fine people....

mtgoat666 - 1-7-2022 at 08:32 AM

In sum, cut DK some slack. Dumb to say what he said, but not as evil as you've been told.

Evil? Much as I poke at DK, I'll be the first to defend that he hasn't an evll bone in his body.

Verbal incontinence, definitely, but don't we all? :lol:

Dk knows that the term “China virus” is offensive, and considered racist.
He uses the term with the intention of causing a reaction, he got the reaction.
He may have an evil bone (or 2) in his body.

BajaMama - 1-7-2022 at 09:16 AM

just tell everyone you know...

The Pandemic ends Feb 1 2022

I have been looking to the end of March 2022 for the end since it started...just following previous pandemic stats. Fingers crossed! Omicron just may put us into the endemic phase of Covid 19 and then we're done. Most humans will have been infected or vaxed and have some type of immunity.

JDCanuck - 1-7-2022 at 11:38 AM

Pfizer certainly disagrees. Their latest estimates as of Dec are we will be vaccinating with boosters well into 2024 and beyond despite the rapidly declining CFR's we are continuing to see. The only remaining question is which boosters will we be allowed to choose? Most are still backing either Pfizer or Moderna as the ones they will be mandating.
As the mandates target more and more industries those who refuse to continue with boosters will become workers in non contact industries like garbage collectors, gardeners, telemarketers, etc.

[Edited on 1-7-2022 by JDCanuck]

mtgoat666 - 1-7-2022 at 10:07 PM

BCS REGRESA AL NARANJA EN EL SEMÁFORO EPIDEMIOLÓGICO
.=Por el alto numero de contagios

La Secretaría de Salud Federal modificó el semáforo epidemiológico Nacional por Covid 19 y ubico a Baja California Sur en color naranja por el alto número de contagios que ayer sumaron 3 mil 281.

La medida tendrá vigencia del 10 al 23 de enero y en esa situación también se encuentran dos Estados mas; 19 permanecen en verde y el resto en amarillo.

A nivel local el Comité de Seguridad en Salud determinó ubicar a los cinco Municipios en color amarillo nivel 2 con riesgo moderado.

Si se atiende el semáforo epidemiológico Nacional por Covid 19 deberán tomarse otras medidas.

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https://coronavirus.gob.mx/semaforo/

Naranja

Reducción de movilidad comunitaria.

La operación de actividades económicas y sociales serán con un aforo del 50%.

El modelo educativo funcionará bajo la nueva normalidad de acuerdo a lo establecido por la SEP.

El uso del cubreboca es obligatorio en todos los espacios públicos.

###

And special for oldkid Paul:
https://coronavirus.gob.mx/mitos-y-realidades/

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Special news for shorty special: Florida gone to chit
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-reports-almost-400-000-00...

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[Edited on 1-8-2022 by mtgoat666]

JZ - 1-7-2022 at 10:37 PM

Special news for shorty special: Florida gone to chit
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-reports-almost-400-000-00...

Cases, cases, cases, oooh no!!

Fast forward 1 to 2 months and the world will be in a much better place.

Of course you don't want that, for some sick reason.

Bajaboy - 1-8-2022 at 09:40 AM

Special news for shorty special: Florida gone to chit
https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-reports-almost-400-000-00...

Cases, cases, cases, oooh no!!

Fast forward 1 to 2 months and the world will be in a much better place.

Of course you don't want that, for some sick reason.

Definitely by Easter

John Harper - 1-8-2022 at 10:26 AM

Consulting my Ouija board this morning.

Looks like May 3, 2024 at 3PM PDT.

Bet on it.

John

pauldavidmena - 1-8-2022 at 11:06 AM

Pfizer certainly disagrees. Their latest estimates as of Dec are we will be vaccinating with boosters well into 2024 and beyond despite the rapidly declining CFR's we are continuing to see. The only remaining question is which boosters will we be allowed to choose? Most are still backing either Pfizer or Moderna as the ones they will be mandating.
As the mandates target more and more industries those who refuse to continue with boosters will become workers in non contact industries like garbage collectors, gardeners, telemarketers, etc.

[Edited on 1-7-2022 by JDCanuck]

It's as if Pfizer stands to gain if the pandemic (and in particular the need for further rounds of vaccination) persists. Imagine that!

AKgringo - 1-8-2022 at 11:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

It's as if Pfizer stands to gain if the pandemic (and in particular the need for further rounds of vaccination) persists. Imagine that!

Conflict of interest? Who'da thunk? :lol:

It's almost as if some agency told them that they don't care how much it costs, they will buy all that you can make!

mtgoat666 - 12-7-2022 at 06:11 AM

What is everyone doing to prepare for their 3rd pandemic winter?
How will you prepare for the covid surge?
Got your booster?

I notice a lot more mask being worn in my community. Some People are practicing good hygiene…

Will the 118th congress finally find evidence that fauci created the virus?

The new year is almost here. Make a new year resolution to get healthy, fight the Rona!

[Edited on 12-7-2022 by mtgoat666]

JDCanuck - 12-7-2022 at 11:22 AM

What is everyone doing to prepare for their 3rd pandemic winter?
How will you prepare for the covid surge?
Got your booster?

I notice a lot more mask being worn in my community. Some People are practicing good hygiene…

Will the 118th congress finally find evidence that fauci created the virus?

The new year is almost here. Make a new year resolution to get healthy, fight the Rona!

[Edited on 12-7-2022 by mtgoat666]

Up here the latest is a very virile winter flu (not Covid) hitting young kids very hard. 6 times as meany deaths already this year as in an entire season and parents having lots of difficulties getting the seasonal vaccine for it. Hospitals and doctors once again overloaded due to continuing and still growing staffing shortages.
Added to this, there has been no availability of infant Tylenol or Advil to deal with symptoms on pharmacy shelves for weeks now. This round accelerates to pneumonia, Strept A and "Scarlet Fever" very quickly and has been devastating amongst our youngest grandchildren.

Meanwhile the Canadian gov't is throwing millions of expired covid vaccines in the garbage as they over ordered for the demand. Seems they can't even give away the soon to be expired vaccines as global demand has really fallen off.

[Edited on 12-7-2022 by JDCanuck]

Marty Mateo - 12-7-2022 at 01:24 PM

Parts of this thread haven’t aged well 🤦🏼‍♂️

surabi - 12-7-2022 at 04:15 PM

National stats for reported Covid infections in Mexico have increased almost 3-fold in the past 2 weeks:

November 22- 5,369

Dec.6- 15,216

[Edited on 12-7-2022 by surabi]

JDCanuck - 12-7-2022 at 06:02 PM

Despite that I am told mask requirements in Lap Paz and Cabo are now far more relaxed requiring them only in very close quarters and health facilities. They are coming off a very low level of cases. I would guess still required on airplanes flying in Mexico as I have heard nothing contradicting that rule. Anyone there with newer info?

mtgoat666 - 12-7-2022 at 06:19 PM

In usa case rates and hospitalizations rates have been increasing since end of summer, but death rates have been flat or declining.
Last year the case rate peaked in February. I would expect the same this year, everybody getting sick after being cooped up indoors for Jan and Feb freeze.

boatworksjon - 12-11-2022 at 06:48 AM

Despite that I am told mask requirements in Lap Paz and Cabo are now far more relaxed requiring them only in very close quarters and health facilities. They are coming off a very low level of cases. I would guess still required on airplanes flying in Mexico as I have heard nothing contradicting that rule. Anyone there with newer info?

At least On 12/9/22 at San Jose Del Cabo no masks at the airport or on the flight to SFO.Very few people with masks on even the airport works.

Marty Mateo - 12-11-2022 at 09:27 AM

In July the airport p.a. system was on constant repeat saying mask wearing was mandatory, in late November no such announcement .

JZ - 12-11-2022 at 09:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Marty Mateo

In July the airport p.a. system was on constant repeat saying mask wearing was mandatory, in late November no such announcement .

They also had signs up saying it was mandatory. Still had them up in October. Very few wore them.

I'm seeing a lot more ppl wear them at the grocery store.

Only place I've seen enforcing them in the last year is my local vet. They have several older Drs.

surfhat - 12-11-2022 at 09:58 AM

With the triple demic upon us, lets hope all will take heed and act accordingly for themselves and even more for others.

So simple. May it remain so on this forum.

Happy Holidays to all and to all a healthy and happy New Year so we can continue to treasure Baja as it so richly deserves.

mtgoat666 - 12-11-2022 at 10:08 AM

I often see sick people out in public w/o masks. One would think people would have learned. People are stupid.

surfhat - 12-11-2022 at 10:21 AM

Some people choose to remain ignorant. The difference between ignorance and stupidity can be a fine line sometimes. I tend to try to give ignorance a break and hope they wise up before they learn the hard way.

Karma can be a beyatch for those who know better and still persist in, for whatever reasons, spout their misguided ramblings from known compromised sources.

Peace to all and to all a happy holidays.

BornFisher - 12-12-2022 at 09:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surfhat

Some people choose to remain ignorant. The difference between ignorance and stupidity can be a fine line sometimes. I tend to try to give ignorance a break and hope they wise up before they learn the hard way.

Karma can be a beyatch for those who know better and still persist in, for whatever reasons, spout their misguided ramblings from known compromised sources.

Peace to all and to all a happy holidays.

Yes I went to a concert yesterday in San Diego. It was sold out so maybe 1,000 people. I would say 5% had a mask. I wore one but truthfully think they are probably useless.
BTW this was a performance by the San Diego Gay Men`s Chorus. They were accompanied by a group of homeless people who received a standing ovation for their wonderful singing. I have no idea who the performers and audience are listening to or being influenced by. Nor do I have any idea who the ignorant, misguided and stupid people they consider a reliable, uncompromised source are.

Wonderful concert, hope all in the San Diego area make it next year or sooner. The SDGMC will be performing soon in Tijuana and then on to Mexico City.

surabi - 12-12-2022 at 09:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher

I would say 5% had a mask. I wore one but truthfully think they are probably useless.

What you "think" regarding the efficacy of masks in preventing disease transmission is irrelevant. They have been scientifically proven to drastically reduce transmission. And the rise in infection rate when mask mandates were scrapped is scientifically documented.
If masks were "useless", do you really think nurses and doctors would have been wearing them for the past hundred years? They don't just wear them for fun.

surabi - 12-12-2022 at 11:27 PM

Which is why BornFisher's comment is mostly correct; wearing a surgical mask, a poorly-fitted N-95 mask, or wearing a good mask with bad protocols, doesn't do much to protect us from the maskless Typhoid (COVID) Marías in the crowd.

Well, obviously a poorly fitting mask, wearing a thin cotton bandana as a mask, wearing it under one's nose, or constantly fiddling with it so you introduce whatever pathogens might be on your hands into the mask is useless. But a well-fitting mask of proper materials definitely helps to protect the wearer from the Typhoid Marys. I have lots of friends and family who have suffered through Covid and many who haven't contracted it (including me). All were fully vaccinated. The common factor with the ones who got it opposed to the ones who haven't, was the former slacked off on wearing masks in public places, house parties, etc. Most knew exactly where they had picked it up and felt stupid for ignoring putting a mask on in high-risk situations.

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pauldavidmena - 12-13-2022 at 07:44 AM

Here on Cape Cod, many people - myself included - have gone maskless for the better part of a year, although my wife and I have been careful to remain vaxxed and boosted. I ended up with Covid in September after my first business trip in over 3 years. It was a mild case, but I should have skipped the conference once I learned it was strictly in-person. Holiday parties at my workplace start in earnest this week, and I'll be skipping those.

Speaking of my workplace (Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution), rumor has it that one of the research vessels in our fleet is on lock-down due to Covid. The Corpulent Soprano shows no sign of being done with her singing role.

verichip - 12-13-2022 at 08:11 PM

"The Most Important Dataset of the Pandemic Was Just Released" https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-most-important-...

"The Most Important Dataset of the Pandemic Was Just Released" https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-most-important-dataset-of-the

mtgoat666 - 12-14-2022 at 08:52 AM

People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study

If you passed on getting the COVID vaccine, you might be a lot more likely to get into a car crash.

Those are the findings of a new study published this month in The American Journal of Medicine. During the summer of 2021, Canadian researchers examined the encrypted government-held records of more than 11 million adults, 16% of whom hadn’t received the COVID vaccine.

They found that the unvaccinated people were 72% more likely to be involved in a severe traffic crash—in which at least one person was transported to the hospital—than those who were vaccinated. That’s similar to the increased risk of car crashes for people with sleep apnea, though only about half that of people who abuse alcohol, researchers found.

The excess risk of car crash posed by unvaccinated drivers “exceeds the safety gains from modern automobile engineering advances and also imposes risks on other road users,” the authors wrote.

Of course, skipping a COVID vaccine does not mean that someone will get into a car crash. Instead, the authors theorize that people who resist public health recommendations might also “neglect basic road safety guidelines.”

RFClark - 12-14-2022 at 10:09 AM

Goat,

So a Canadian study showed that people who don’t believe everything the government comes around selling without question are more of a danger to public safety than are drunks?

Those researchers have never driven in Mexico where even which side of the road to drive on is only a suggestion. ( Not even a strong suggestion either!)

I did find an abstract of the study and one thing does stand out. For those of us over 65 there was a slightly lower risk of a traffic accident for those who were unvaccinated. Not a big reduction but a reduction also the only one shown which is why it jumped out.

I’ll wait to read the study prior to speculating about the why of this!

Post the link please, I’d love to read this one!

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4x4abc - 12-14-2022 at 12:45 PM

People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study

If you passed on getting the COVID vaccine, you might be a lot more likely to get into a car crash.

Those are the findings of a new study published this month in The American Journal of Medicine. During the summer of 2021, Canadian researchers examined the encrypted government-held records of more than 11 million adults, 16% of whom hadn’t received the COVID vaccine.

They found that the unvaccinated people were 72% more likely to be involved in a severe traffic crash—in which at least one person was transported to the hospital—than those who were vaccinated. That’s similar to the increased risk of car crashes for people with sleep apnea, though only about half that of people who abuse alcohol, researchers found.

The excess risk of car crash posed by unvaccinated drivers “exceeds the safety gains from modern automobile engineering advances and also imposes risks on other road users,” the authors wrote.

Of course, skipping a COVID vaccine does not mean that someone will get into a car crash. Instead, the authors theorize that people who resist public health recommendations might also “neglect basic road safety guidelines.”

in Mexico, people with Chocolate car plates (cars illegally in the country) are the most aggressive, least law following drivers. Since there are no studies in Mexico (a Republican dream of "less government" country).
On the positive side - the risk takers, law ignorers are usually also the ones advancing a society.
US immigrants are one such example.
Risk takers are good.
Even though they pee everyone off.
The law abiding couch potato will not get us anywhere - not even himself.

JZ - 12-14-2022 at 01:08 PM

On the positive side - the risk takers, law ignorers are usually also the ones advancing a society.
US immigrants are one such example.
Risk takers are good.
Even though they pee everyone off.
The law abiding couch potato will not get us anywhere - not even himself.

Amen!

AKgringo - 12-14-2022 at 02:44 PM

Amen!

I turned off of the county road onto my property today, without signaling! It was kind of invigorating to be a "bad boy" for a change! :cool:

JZ - 12-14-2022 at 03:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

I turned off of the county road onto my property today, without signaling! It was kind of invigorating to be a "bad boy" for a change! :cool:

surabi - 12-14-2022 at 04:56 PM

There are 2 categories of risk taking, though, and they are quite different. There are risks, the outcomes of which only affect the person deciding to take the risk. If one's risk-taking instead has a strong potential to negatively affect others, there is nothing "good" about those risk takers.

You can sit and chain smoke by yourself in your home, and that doesn't harm others, so no one else needs to be peed off about it.(Although it puts a strain on the medical system if smoking makes you ill)

But if you sit and chain smoke next to your baby's crib, there is nothing "good" about that risk taking behavior, nor does it advance society.

If you want to take the risk not to be vaccinated, fine, but then you don't have the right to put other people's health at risk by going out and about in public maskless, because your risk-taking affects others and people have a good reason to be pee'd off at you.

Wanna drive without your seatbelt on, have at it. The risk of dying in a car accident because you take that risk doesn't lead to anyone else possibly dying, just you. But deciding to take the risk of not strapping your child in securely is not your risk to decide to take.

We constantly weigh risks. I have never had a flu shot, even though I am over 70. But I consider my risk of catching a dangerous case of the flu to be low, as I have a strong immune system and haven't had the flu in 25 years, despite being around people who do. And if I were to get the flu, I would stay home, not go out spreading it around, so the risk is purely my own.

But I don't consider getting or unknowingly spreading Covid to be an acceptable risk, either for myself, nor for others I might infect, so I am vaccinated and wear a mask indoors in public places.

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RFClark - 12-14-2022 at 06:46 PM

L,

Dah!

I read this abstract it had some real data attached.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36470796/

I wanted to see if there was a link to the actual paper in the AJOM!

Harold,

Mexico has way more government but way less enforcement unless you pee off someone. Or if need electricity and perhaps a well.

Below is the forest plot of relative risks! Anything jump out at you?

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mtgoat666 - 12-14-2022 at 07:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

On the positive side - the risk takers, law ignorers are usually also the ones advancing a society.

Amen!

I turned off of the county road onto my property today, without signaling! It was kind of invigorating to be a "bad boy" for a change! :cool:

On the subject of bad and irresponsible drivers. Not sure how you think bad driving is “advancing a society”…. :no:

RFClark - 12-14-2022 at 08:09 PM

Goat,

Winning a “Darwin” always advances society. Unfortunately sometimes the wrong person gets it.

RFClark - 12-14-2022 at 10:57 PM

Goat,

So a Canadian study show that people who don’t believe everything the government comes around selling without question are more of a danger to public safety than are drunks?

Those researchers have never driven in Mexico where even which side of the road to drive on is only a suggestion. ( Not even a strong suggestion either!)

After thinking on it. Mexico isn’t even close to the worst place.
These guys drive on a 2 lane road mostly without shoulders just like those in Baja! Traffic runs 120KM/H!

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AKgringo - 12-15-2022 at 06:37 PM

RfClark....I did a search for Glendambo Tourist Center and discovered that your photo was taken in Australia. For what it is worth, I encountered two sets of semis hauling triples when I was on Hwy 95 northbound through Nevada in October.

What a dangerous pain to pass one of those on a two-lane road! There are a whole lot of miles between passing lanes on that road.

mtgoat666 - 12-15-2022 at 07:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

For what it is worth, I encountered two sets of semis hauling triples when I was on Hwy 95 northbound through Nevada in October.

Good lord! I didn't realize triples were legal anywhere in the U.S.

Doubles are bad enough!

that's nothin'!

check out the monster car:
https://youtu.be/BfmFs1Inqx4

RFClark - 12-15-2022 at 07:21 PM

Guys,

These are not US sized trailers! That rig is over 150’ Long (176’)!! The tractors have Roo catchers made out of RR track! We drove 1200KM each way to see Ares Rock with them. Give me 1000KM to Cabo any day!

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Mask up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mtgoat666 - 12-21-2022 at 10:02 AM

Mask up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regresa en BCS uso obligatorio del cubreboca

https://www.elsudcaliforniano.com.mx/local/regresa-en-bcs-us...

JZ - 1-2-2023 at 01:28 PM

After 3 years, finally got Covid.

Low grade fever for 2 days. A little coughing on day 3. Mostly symptom free by day 4.

No way we should have locked down the country beyond the first 3 months. Never again.

surabi - 1-2-2023 at 02:33 PM

After 3 years, finally got Covid.

Low grade fever for 2 days. A little coughing on day 3. Mostly symptom free by day 4.

No way we should have locked down the country beyond the first 3 months. Never again.

Your personal anecdotal experience is what health professionals, scientists and govts. should base their recommendations on? How about the 6 and a half million who have died, or suffered terribly, or ended up with long Covid, and how many more would have died had there not been lockdowns and other precautions taken?
Oh, wait, I almost forgot that you care about no one but yourself.

On the absence of empathy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HbFIm_dDndc

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Circling back to the OP

pauldavidmena - 1-3-2023 at 07:50 AM

So... would it be accurate to say that Covid is "surging" in Baja California and Baja California Sur, or is the answer more nuanced? Is it, for example, only surging in certain communities, or certain segments of the population? Are businesses beginning to mask up and encouraging customers to do the same?

Here on Cape Cod, masking is very sparse, although my wife and I plan to mask up when we fly down to Cabo next month. The latest booster hasn't generated much excitement, but we're boosted as well. We've also been selective in our ventures out in public, using common sense and avoiding those who don't!

RFClark - 1-3-2023 at 04:32 PM

S,

There were all sorts of “Hippies” with all sorts of philosophies. I was there at the start. I know a lot of “Hippies” who ended up driving “bemers” and a lot that ended up on a ventilator.

Being self-adsorbed was very “”Hippie”! The”Beatniks” were often the “intelligenca” the “Hippies” were more often the “rabble”!

Many of the “Hippies” that were into themselves and substance abuse are long dead! Some are popular screen and TV writers and are still very “Hippie” like.

mtgoat666 - 1-3-2023 at 04:59 PM

I thank god that I had the good adolescent sense to grow up a punk rocker instead of a smelly hippie :biggrin:

JZ - 1-3-2023 at 07:13 PM

No masks or Covid in Loreto today.

surabi - 1-3-2023 at 08:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark

S,

There were all sorts of “Hippies” with all sorts of philosophies. I was there at the start. I know a lot of “Hippies” who ended up driving “bemers”...

Being self-adsorbed was very “”Hippie”! The”Beatniks” were often the “intelligenca” the “Hippies” were more often the “rabble”!

You missed my whole point. If they turned into their parents and ended up driving beemers, they were never really hippies to start with. Once a real hippie, always a hippie. It has nothing to do with tie-dye.

Being self-absorbed was not at all hippie, so you obviously have no idea what you are talking about and took fake hippies for real ones. Hippie was about love, peace, sharing, non-materialism, communal living, and working together for the good of all, which is the opposite of self-absorbed. Dressing like a hippie, having long hair, smoking dope, and other visible identifiers associated by the mainstream with hippiedom has nothing to do with having real hippie mindset. Anyone can play dress-up.

And beatniks was a culture from the 50s and early 60s. Hippies came later.

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RFClark - 1-3-2023 at 09:02 PM

S,

I was there! For both! Hippies were mostly into themselves and extorting money from their folks! Beatniks were late ‘40s and ‘50s. They were mostly gone by ‘60 except for a few over 60s who turned into Hippie Gurus!

“Working for all and communal living”! When everyone owns something the best job is being the someone who takes care of it for “everyone”! Every group of “Hippies” has a click that ran it.

Remind me to tell you about the Collectivist and the Genie sometime.

surabi - 1-3-2023 at 09:11 PM

Wherever "there" you were, it obviously wasn't representative of true hippie culture, which I was part of. No hippie I knew extorted money from their parents- they mostly rejected everything about their parents' lifestyle, including their money. Hippies ran businesses doing arts and crafts, were musicians and writers and house builders and organic gardeners. Some were even doctors and lawyers and teachers. And the communal living situations didn't revolve around some guru, everyone had an equal voice, no clique that ran it. (FYI it's a French word which is neither spelled nor pronounced "click")

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mtgoat666 - 1-3-2023 at 09:58 PM

No masks or Covid in Loreto today.

I bet you did not isolate or wear a a mask once in your contagious travels,…
How many people did you infect?

We interrupt the bickering...

pauldavidmena - 1-5-2023 at 01:18 PM

...to briefly get back on topic. I posed the same question I asked here a few days ago on Talk Baja and got some fresh first-hand responses. I asked if there were any new restrictions noted in BCS, and what they might be. Apparently many businesses are requesting masks indoors (i.e. no official mandates), although enforcement has been somewhat spotty. As a guest, I want to be respectful to my hosts, although I will definitely remove my mask when I sip that first margarita next month. :cool:

We now return to our regularly scheduled squabbling...

willardguy - 1-5-2023 at 02:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

...to briefly get back on topic. I posed the same question I asked here a few days ago on Talk Baja and got some fresh first-hand responses. I asked if there were any new restrictions noted in BCS, and what they might be. Apparently many businesses are requesting masks indoors (i.e. no official mandates), although enforcement has been somewhat spotty. As a guest, I want to be respectful to my hosts, although I will definitely remove my mask when I sip that first margarita next month. :cool:

We now return to our regularly scheduled squabbling...

I take it you missed this?
https://www.diarioelindependiente.mx/2022/12/regresa-a-bcs-e...

JZ - 1-5-2023 at 06:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

We now return to our regularly scheduled squabbling...

Covid is over.

Ley is the one and only place in Loreto making you wear a mask.

surabi - 1-5-2023 at 07:54 PM