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[*] posted on 1-5-2022 at 03:22 PM
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Tue, January 4, 2022, 10:40 AM
LA PAZ, Mexico (AP) — COVID-19 infections are rising across Mexico, especially in two states home to major tourism destinations on the Caribbean Sea and Pacific Ocean that were busy during the holiday season.

According to data from the federal government, Quintana Roo, where tourists flock to Cancun, Tulum and other spots along the Mayan Riviera, and Baja California Sur, which draws beachgoers to the twin Pacific resorts that make up Los Cabos, are both experiencing some of their highest infection totals since the start of the pandemic.

During the holidays, the waterfront and beaches in La Paz, the capital of Baja California Sur perched on the Sea of Cortez, were packed with tourists. Early in the pandemic they had been closed.

Farther south in Los Cabos, hotels were at 75% of their capacity during the week of Christmas, according to the federal Tourism ministry.

“In December, January, tourism took off,” said Isrrael Coto, manager of a hotel-restaurant in La Ventana, about 20 miles south of La Paz. “People are tired of the confinement.”

Infections shot up too. Baja California Sur saw 700 new infections Dec. 29, compared to a previous high in July of fewer than 600.

On the opposite coast, Quintana Roo, went from 27 cases Dec. 20 to 484 eight days later, though that remained below its single-day high of 574 in August.

“This new variant (omicron) is very contagious, but fortunately it is not requiring hospitalization, nor do we have cases of rising deaths,” President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said Tuesday.

Mexico experienced its worst moments of the pandemic a year earlier when hospitals were overwhelmed and test-confirmed COVID-19 deaths were above 1,400 daily. The real numbers were surely even higher because of limited testing.

However, the summer wave that peaked in August with more than 25,000 new infections in a single day was even higher.

At no time did Mexico close its borders or require negative test results for arriving tourists. Airports did require travelers to fill out a health form and many for a time were checking temperatures. Only at the shared border with the United States was cross-border traffic limited to the essential until November.

Coto considered the return of tourists to the beaches positive but recognized there was concern over the rise in infections.

“There's a little nervousness,” he said. “The vaccine helped a little to give some certainty, but even so.”

Daniela Yepiz, a stylist in La Paz, said concern seemed to grow after infections rose in the days after Christmas, citing a lot of cancelations. “The people stopped coming,” she said.

Health Secretary Jorge Alcocer said, recent studies appear to indicate that even though there are new variants, the prevalence of vaccines could begin to mitigate the most serious effects of the virus. He emphasized that that was still just a hypothesis.

Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults and has started giving a third dose to the elderly, health workers. Teachers will begin receiving the booster in the coming days.

“We are not as worried as before because most people are vaccinated,” said Arturo González Ledesma a doctor at Ajusco Medio Hospital in Mexico City, which has specialized in COVID-19 patients since the start of the pandemic. “Only in the unvaccinated do you see the face of terror.”

González encouraged people to remain careful. “We shouldn’t say we’re going to come out of it yet.”

The increase in infections led a dozen states of Mexico’s 32 to delay the return to classes after the holidays. While many of the country’s students returned to school Monday, those other states, including Quintana Roo and Baja California Sur, delayed the start to Jan. 17.

Meanwhile, local governments are once again stepping up their testing efforts. In La Paz this week, long lines were visible outside COVID-19 testing centers. Mexico City announced Tuesday that it was expanding testing hours at health centers and re-opening testing kiosks around the city in an effort to double capacity to about 23,400 tests daily.

Major population centers including Mexico state, which contains many of the capital’s suburbs, as well as Guadalajara and Monterrey are also seeing rising infections. Mexico is nearing 300,000 test-confirmed COVID-19 deaths, though the real number of COVID-19 deaths is closer to 450,000, according to the government.

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AP writer María Verza in Mexico City contributed to this report.
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[*] posted on 1-5-2022 at 04:58 PM


"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!




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[*] posted on 1-5-2022 at 05:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 100X  
"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!



I don't know about those stats, but there are a lot of people in outlying rancherias who have not been vaxxed and don't wear masks.
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[*] posted on 1-5-2022 at 06:25 PM


Well. I can certainly add that Covid is out of control here in La Bocana and Punta Abreojos. They offered free testing today and ran out. Many, many tested positive.




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Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
Well. I can certainly add that Covid is out of control here in La Bocana and Punta Abreojos. They offered free testing today and ran out. Many, many tested positive.


What do you know then? How and where are residents being treated? Are people in quarantine?




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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 07:23 AM


Quote: Originally posted by sanquintinsince73  
Quote: Originally posted by 100X  
"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!



I don't know about those stats, but there are a lot of people in outlying rancherias who have not been vaxxed and don't wear masks.


That's not a correct percentage. It's 60.8% fully vaccinated and another 7% or so, partially vaccinated.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 07:32 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
Quote: Originally posted by sanquintinsince73  
Quote: Originally posted by 100X  
"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!



I don't know about those stats, but there are a lot of people in outlying rancherias who have not been vaxxed and don't wear masks.


That's not a correct percentage. It's 60.8% fully vaccinated and another 7% or so, partially vaccinated.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations


that site would seem to show a percentage of total population, while the original statistic was for adults ...

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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 07:49 AM


Tests can not test accurately for an evolving variant, nor can a static vaccine keep up with evolving flu variants, so they are useless and often more harmful, nor has any form of Covid testing ever been accurate, as admitted by CDC, with prevalence of false positives.

Both PCR and Antigen Serological testing Emergency Use Authorization has been withdrawn by CDC and testing is not encouraged since it has no validity for variants. It's like a dog chasing it's tail.

The tests being offered here in Baja are certainly not the latest antigen serological to closely track the weekly variants and certainly not accurate as practically every tests is showing positive regardless of symptoms of illness. Nor are staff trained to properly test nor carefully mix the vaccines which are highly volatile and subject to contamination.

We have no accurate testing nor case count, nor does testing provide value. No vaccines are approved and none track the latest variant.

We do know is that many people caught the gripa (common cold) after wild parties at Christmas and New Years, stressed, underdressed for the cold weather, singing karaoke and drinking cold beers late into the night and early morning.

This cold (Omicron) lasts for a about 3 days of congestion and often included a mild cough and then it fades when treated with vitamins, medicine, rest and hot tea and soups.

Doctors here are well versed as are pharmacies to offer a protocol of Multi vitamin such as Centrum or Beroca, Vitamin B complex, Ascorbic Acid vitamin C in polio or tablet to mix in water, Calcium, D, Magnesium, and Zinc along with hot tea with Miel and hot soups, no cold drinks, room temperature fresh juices, and lemonade from Myer lemons which are in season and available everywhere.

Medicine: Decongestants, theraflu, jarabe (cough syrup), throat lozenges, anti inflammatory paracetamol or ibuprofen as needed, since I have been filling the prescriptions for many I see what is being prescribed, many with pulmonary infection congestion are prescribed clorohidrato de clindaminicina which is antibiotic and ivermectin which is anti parasitic with success in early treatment.

There are no deaths or serious illnesses reported anywhere in the world from Omicron, instead, it is believed that this mild variant is creating broad increased immunity to corona variants.

The most obviously debilitating issues, is fear of others, stress, isolation, toxic hand cleanser reducing healthy biology, schools and business closed and people refusing to go to work or go to the store for needed supplies, fresh fruits, vitamins and medicines to treat those with a cold.

Morning sunshine and fresh air with a hot tea is highly recommended.

This sharade was never about a virus.




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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 08:01 AM


Quote: Originally posted by sanquintinsince73  
Quote: Originally posted by 100X  
"Mexico has vaccinated 88% of adults..."

Is this true? If so, very impressive!



I don't know about those stats, but there are a lot of people in outlying rancherias who have not been vaxxed and don't wear masks.


People who live in outlying ranches are the most healthy and successful people you will find in this fake crisis, likely because they don't follow trendy covid fake news, and fear mongering.

Knowing what we know now, not wearing a mask and being unvaxxed while continuing to live normally is the most successful response to the fraudulent promotion of a "Winter of Death" which was clearly false and only designed to create fear.
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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 09:01 AM


2 relatives in La Paz, previously vaccinated with Astrazenica, not mRNA and one who had Covid previously both just recovered from assumed Omicron strain very quickly within 4 days of mild cold like symptoms onset. Both were immune compromised before being exposed, so this is very good news. Other two household members showed no symptoms or did not contract it this time around.
Omicron seems to be ripping through La Paz extremely quickly

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Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
Well. I can certainly add that Covid is out of control here in La Bocana and Punta Abreojos. They offered free testing today and ran out. Many, many tested positive.


Are most vaccinated? How bad are the symptoms? Hopefully mild?




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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
2 relatives in La Paz, previously vaccinated and one who had Covid previously both just recovered from assumed Omicron strain very quickly within 4 days of mild cold like symptoms onset. Both were immune compromised before being exposed, so this is very good news. Other two household members showed no symptoms or did not contract it this time around.
Omicron seems to be ripping through La Paz extremely quickly


Great news.





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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 10:04 AM


I also take all of the above as great news, no matter which side you are on:

High vaccination rate in Mexico (88% adults/67% of total is way above where I would have guessed). Luckily, kids are much less likely to have serious complications from this disease.

Omicron is relatively mild and "immunizing" or adding to the immunization of a lot of people (both vaccinated and not vaccinated), without anywhere as significant a risk as earlier strains.

Omicron is very contagious and could lead to true herd immunity in the near future, again, without the same level of danger as earlier variants.

Question: If you are say 60, in good health, and vaccinated, is there now an argument that getting Omicron would give you the best protection? Better than waiting until you are say 70 and in lesser health to get whatever strain comes around then?




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Quote: Originally posted by 100X  
I also take all of the above as great news, no matter which side you are on:














I understand what you're saying, but why in the world would there be more than 1 side? Everyone should be pulling on
the rope in the same direction, to get beyond this the best way
we can. Doesn't science make sense?







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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 10:56 AM


Regarding La Bocana, everyone who tests positive is not allowed out of their house.

Most cases, so far, are indeed mild with sick patients sleeping days on end with a fever that comes and goes.

Everyone I know except 4 Americans have been vaccinated and 60+ had vaccinations + booster shots of Sinovac. some went to TJ and got pfizer.






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Glad to hear they have been mild.





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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 11:46 AM


Sancho:
"I understand what you're saying, but why in the world would there be more than 1 side? Everyone should be pulling on
the rope in the same direction, to get beyond this the best way
we can. Doesn't science make sense?"

There is another post on BN with 59 pages about Covid. Regardless of the reason(s), there are indeed more than one side.

On "science": Scientists are like expert witnesses, they go to the highest bidder (and the US government is now typically the highest--but not the only--bidder).

That is why "scientists" today have such widely differing opinions, and people can then just cite the "for sale science" that supports their own opinions.

I miss the scientific method and peer review that used to lead to a reliable level of scientific consensus (and credibility), but this is seldom what happens today.

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Quote: Originally posted by sancho  


I understand what you're saying, but why in the world would there be more than 1 side? Everyone should be pulling on
the rope in the same direction, to get beyond this the best way
we can. Doesn't science make sense?



Many things are not clear cut with Covid. I could give you a hundred examples.

One is kids in school. The science always said it was safe. And also said remote learning was very harmful to kids.

Yet 50%+ of school districts caved to politically motivated school boards.

Fast forward to late 2021, and schools were given more than 100 billion $'s to improve Covid safety at schools. Chicago alone got almost $2B.

A lot of these school have re-purposed the Covid safety $'s to other pet projects (diversity and bias training).

Now all Chicago schools and many others are closed, despite the local health officials telling them that science says kids are safer in school and create less spread than being out in the community .


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[*] posted on 1-6-2022 at 12:43 PM


February 2022 should be when this nonsense ends. It is time to move on with life.

Colds and flus are normal, the new variant of this pandemic is no worse than those other viruses.

We have been given the option (or orders) to vax and boost. That is all that can be offered besides the time that is normal for pandemics to pass (3 years), there is no more 'protection' than we already have.

There are now treatments available for those who get infected. Maybe see why they are not being released in quantity? Like a war, there is big money and government power-grabbing by keeping this thing alive. We, the people, must end this lunacy!




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Quote: Originally posted by David K  

There are now treatments available for those who get infected. Maybe see why they are not being released in quantity? Like a war, there is big money and government power-grabbing by keeping this thing alive. We, the people, must end this lunacy!


A vaccine is almost always preferable to a treatment. Prevention is better than a cure. It's easier on the patient, the health provider, the hospitals, and the tax payer. You can make politically motivated arguments until you're blue in the face but it won't change basic facts.
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