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JESSE - 4-4-2005 at 04:22 PM

Mexico on the brink
April 4th, 2005


CIA director Porter Goss wasn't kidding when he put Mexico in with Venezuela, Haiti, Bolivia and Nicaragua as the most unstable countries in the hemisphere. Right now, the potentially dangerous development is political, and may affect us very tangibly in the U.S.


http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4386

Bruce R Leech - 4-4-2005 at 04:39 PM

Jesse I tend to agree with you, in the years to come we will all be affected by this Mexicans and foreigner alike. to what degree is anyones guess but my guess is it will be substantial.

JESSE - 4-4-2005 at 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Jesse I tend to agree with you, in the years to come we will all be affected by this Mexicans and foreigner alike. to what degree is anyones guess but my guess is it will be substantial.


I can?t figure out how americans and canadians keep pumping billions into this timebomb, i guess they like to lose money, my suggestion to many here is, wait until this nation blows, watch in awe as prices drop, and then buy cheap.

Dave - 4-4-2005 at 05:43 PM

Socialist my a**. Obrador's patron is Carlos Slim.:lol:

Bruce R Leech - 4-4-2005 at 05:55 PM

Viva la Revelucion.

JESSE - 4-4-2005 at 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Socialist my a**. Obrador's patron is Carlos Slim.:lol:


He has clearly distanced himself from Obrador in the past months Dave, he is one of the people that could come out major losers if he (Obrador) wins.

Dave - 4-4-2005 at 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
He has clearly distanced himself from Obrador in the past months Dave, he is one of the people that could come out major losers if he (Obrador) wins.


Obrador is a former PRIista who has remade a political career on the backs of DF's poor with the help of Slim's money. IF elected he would do the bidding of the oligarchy or spend his term locked in a bathroom at Los Pinos.:biggrin: And if he tried to rally populist support he wouldn't last a week.

Slim may publicly distance himself but I'll bet privately he's still pulling the strings. Guys like him OWN Mexico. Guys like Fox and Obrador only work there.;D

capn.sharky - 4-4-2005 at 09:11 PM

I guess I am muy tonto. I haven't a clue as to what you guys are talking about. I would guess any further revolutions in Mexico would be by the voters and non violent. I do not consider Mexico to be a third world nation any longer. The middle class is growing (albeit, slowly) and I see nothing but progress ahead. I consider Canada money and investment as the threat to Mexico. However, its people are more educated and have a somewhat better standard of living than they did five or ten years ago. The economy seems stable and they have the natural resources to make them successful in the future. I don't think I am looking at Mexico through rose colored glasses---you may disagree with me. Viva la raza.

Debra - 4-5-2005 at 12:02 AM

Jesse....

Right or Wrong....(sometimes both) The reason we "Americans" keep pumping millions into Mexice ect., ect. is that "we" are a culture fomed on that......"give us your poor", we were raised on the "Pledge" Our fathers fought for those rights, and we still fight today, and as hard as it is for me to say.......on one hand I say "stay out of others culture" but, when I see a child being killed because she/he is of a diffrent color than I, or you.....I can't not FIGHT!

Bravo! Debra!

Skeet/Loreto - 4-5-2005 at 10:42 AM

It is sad to think that there are so many people in this World who will not fight for their right to Live!

Sharky, I agree with you that Mexico is a Good country with problems, but I do not think there will be a problem.
I would think that it will contunie to Develop.

skeet/Loreto

Debra - 4-5-2005 at 11:27 AM

Skeeter........My fear for our country and the rest of the world is that WE or US are spoiled! While the rest of the world fights and dies for the rights we take for granted (as our fathers once did...my father and yours Skeeter and YOU!) we are raising a bunch of WHINERS, that don't even think they need to vote! "What good will it do" they ask! Lazy, Spoiled BRATS! People around our world are dying, putting their lives on the line for the right to vote and our children are saying...??????? SPOILED!!!!! We did everything for THEM now what? Can they take care of themselves? Our Planet? It really scares me........

I apoligize to the board for my politcal rant, if I could figure out how to use "U2" on this new format I would have done that

Debra

Skeet/Loreto - 4-5-2005 at 12:41 PM

Debra. You are 100% Right and are as concerned and it is not Political rally, it sometimes seems so as that appears in many of the board Posters Words.

Not only are the children being taught to "Fear" and "Don,t Worry the Govt will take Care of You', through the Media, Schools, etc they are taught not to be responsible for their own Acts.


I thnk it is caused by a Lack of Disicpline at an early age.There are many causes. God Help us All!

skeet/Loreto

Dave - 4-5-2005 at 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Debra
We did everything for THEM now what? Can they take care of themselves?


Why should they?;D

kid's are spoiled today

Phil S - 4-5-2005 at 08:18 PM

Well, here is an excellent topic. Spoiled kids. I say we've really screwed up this generation. (I don't mean just me alone did this) It starts with $5.00 a week & up allowances. (My exwife gave my son of 8 at that time, $20.00 a week for taking out the garbage. Come on. Give me a break. I complained. No good. Drive by most schools, and look at the students parking lots. Some are the parents "extra" vehicle, but many are being bought for the kids, and usually in monthly payments. What happened to walking to school??? Or riding the school bus??? And how many now have credit cards that the folks pay for???? How many kids do you know that go around the neighborhoods offering to mow lawns? Yes, some are so spoiled, they think everything grows on trees besides money.

JESSE - 4-5-2005 at 09:22 PM

I only wish many of you could understand spanish very well so you could listen what the Mexican media is saying, basically (and i agree with this) this nation is losing it, in pretty much all areas except macro economics. narco trafficking is unstopable, reforms are stalled, we suffer from a crisis of leadership, the PAN has turned out to be a complete failure, the rich are getting richer and the poor are still poor, and the level of anger and violence is rising everywhere. Just a few months ago the nations top military general said, "if you guys(meaning politicians) insist on driving this nation into the grown, just remember, the military is watching, and we know everything thats going on", that was a very direct warning.

Also many of the nations best political analist, are also saying that this has the potential to get very ugly.

JESSE - 4-5-2005 at 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by JESSE
He has clearly distanced himself from Obrador in the past months Dave, he is one of the people that could come out major losers if he (Obrador) wins.


Obrador is a former PRIista who has remade a political career on the backs of DF's poor with the help of Slim's money. IF elected he would do the bidding of the oligarchy or spend his term locked in a bathroom at Los Pinos.:biggrin: And if he tried to rally populist support he wouldn't last a week.

Slim may publicly distance himself but I'll bet privately he's still pulling the strings. Guys like him OWN Mexico. Guys like Fox and Obrador only work there.;D


I disagree Dave, if the elite would benefit from Obradors presidency, they wouldnt be spending millions now to get him impeached and off the ballot, besides the business deal that Obrador and Slim made with the remodeling of Mexico city historical center, they have nothing else that ties them togheter.

JESSE - 4-6-2005 at 03:42 PM

Mexico's Fox, seen as a fallen hero of democracy

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06417219.htm

Bruce R Leech - 4-6-2005 at 04:49 PM

vary interesting article Jesse.

aldosalato - 4-6-2005 at 05:09 PM

Obrador will not be impeached........ wanna bet?

aldosalato - 4-6-2005 at 05:19 PM

I think Fox has been good for Mexico.
He should have done more and better but still the country is on the right track.

I agree with Dave that Slim has too much power in Mexico. Telmex is still a monopoly and we all customers are paying for him being the 4th richest men on earth.

Bruce R Leech - 4-6-2005 at 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by aldosalato
I think Fox has been good for Mexico.
He should have done more and better but still the country is on the right track.

I agree with Dave that Slim has too much power in Mexico. Telmex is still a monopoly and we all customers are paying for him being the 4th richest men on earth.


I don't think Telamex is a monopoly anymore.

JESSE - 4-6-2005 at 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by aldosalato
Obrador will not be impeached........ wanna bet?


Its a sure thing, he already said goodbye to his staff today, but we have to wait until tomorrow.

Braulio - 4-7-2005 at 09:49 AM

With regard to the the article - the CIA - hmmmm - sounds familiar - thats the agency the claimed there were WMD, Al-Qaida, and nukes in Iraq and failed to see the disintegration of the USSR isn't it? Why give it so much credibility now?

(spare me the commentary - I'm a Republican - but a pretty disgusted one.)

Now what's being said in the Mexican press and radio - that's different - it looks like Mexico's experiment with democracy may have run in to a pothole.

As far as democracy in Mexico - I don't see why all the credit is going to Fox (2nd article) - it was Zedillo who allowed it to happen.

Bruce R Leech - 4-7-2005 at 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by lencho
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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I don't think Telamex is a monopoly anymore.


Please elucidate.

--Larry

the way I understand it they have done the same thing they did in The US . they broke up the original big company in to small Baby companies like telamex and telnor and countless others. and also now you can chose your long distance carrier and your INTERNET service provider and so forth. for example my long distance service is with Aventel which is much cheaper. in most places you can chose between different ISP s but not in Mulege it is two small to git AOL and the others to come in. also Telamex is now owned by a US company

Dave - 4-7-2005 at 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Quote:
Originally posted by aldosalato
Obrador will not be impeached........ wanna bet?


Its a sure thing, he already said goodbye to his staff today, but we have to wait until tomorrow.



Uh Oh...

Every gringo who lives in Mexico should follow this VERY closely. If Obrador's supporters actively protest then this could reverberate across the entire country.

JESSE - 4-7-2005 at 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I don't think Telamex is a monopoly anymore.


Please elucidate.

--Larry

the way I understand it they have done the same thing they did in The US . they broke up the original big company in to small Baby companies like telamex and telnor and countless others. and also now you can chose your long distance carrier and your INTERNET service provider and so forth. for example my long distance service is with Aventel which is much cheaper. in most places you can chose between different ISP s but not in Mulege it is two small to git AOL and the others to come in. also Telamex is now owned by a US company


Slim owns Temex, Telnor, Cablemas, and pretty much all communications companies, thats a monopoly bruce.

JESSE - 4-7-2005 at 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
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Originally posted by aldosalato
Obrador will not be impeached........ wanna bet?


Its a sure thing, he already said goodbye to his staff today, but we have to wait until tomorrow.



Uh Oh...

Every gringo who lives in Mexico should follow this VERY closely. If Obrador's supporters actively protest then this could reverberate across the entire country.


Its already happening, theres also demonstrations going on in Tijuana, and most cities in Mexico.

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&...

Dave - 4-7-2005 at 05:21 PM

150,000 is peanuts. He could put 1,000,000+ in the streets if he wants.

"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"


The PRI and PAN are collective idiots. You think the army will come and save their a**?:O

[Edited on 4-8-2005 by Dave]

aldosalato - 4-7-2005 at 05:32 PM

I lost the bet. The parliament voted against El PEJE
Still I think Lopez Obrador will be a candidate in 2006.

JESSE - 4-7-2005 at 05:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
150,000 is peanuts. He could put 1,000,000+ in the streets if he wants.

"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"


The PRI and PAN are collective idiots. You think the army will come and save their a**?:O

[Edited on 4-8-2005 by Dave]


Actually, the PAN is commiting political suicide, the PRI stands to win it all if Obrador is not permited to run, and since the PAN is the one pushing for his removal, they have 0 chance of winning the election, nobody can figure out why they are doing it, they are getting hammered politically and are still pushing this. Even hard core PAN and PRI supporters think this whole thing is wrong.

We are heading into a pretty turbulent period, thats for sure.

JESSE - 4-7-2005 at 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by aldosalato
I lost the bet. The parliament voted against El PEJE
Still I think Lopez Obrador will be a candidate in 2006.


There has been letters circulating around Tijuana and other areas of northern Mexico, a group calling itself "Mexicans for democracy and equality" warns that it will begin persecuting and executing PRI and PAN politicians is Obrador gets screwed.

:o

Dave - 4-7-2005 at 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
a group calling itself "Mexicans for democracy and equality" warns that it will begin persecuting and executing PRI and PAN politicians is Obrador gets screwed.


So, who do you root for in a situation like that?;D

JESSE - 4-7-2005 at 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
a group calling itself "Mexicans for democracy and equality" warns that it will begin persecuting and executing PRI and PAN politicians is Obrador gets screwed.


So, who do you root for in a situation like that?;D


Dave,

If this nations needs to go to hell and back to get it on the correct path to equality and oportunity, i say let do it, i do not like Obrador, but i think that what Fox is doing is wrong, i have lost all respect for him and i voted for the guy.

I root for whatever is neccesary to change things.

Bruce R Leech - 4-7-2005 at 06:49 PM

Jesse the problem is it is going to take a revaluation to change things the way they need to change. as soon as one would start the US would step in and back the government.

cranky - 5-29-2005 at 09:53 PM

It realy doesn't matter how many revolutions they have in Mexico it never changes. The rich come out on top the poor are still poor and you get some new players running the county then they get rich. The only thing different this time is the narco rich who will join the new goverment and try to take over the power.Then the real war will start.Seems like 1905 in Mexico to me.I think we have a few more years left to change things but that won't happen.If the US ever seals the border because of a terroist attack things will move very fast then I will leave Mexico.