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Packoderm
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" It's not the ag jobs people are talking about that Americans will do but the construction jobs. Also meat packing and manufacturing jobs."
Many people will go to amazing lengths to make sure that that fact does not enter the debate. Myself, I've been sqeezed out of the construction
industry.
The only scenario that I can think of which the Mexicans will understand how we feel is if 20 million or so illegal immigrants from India entered
Mexico in order to secure job opportunities they cannot get in India. Mexico is a rich country in the eyes of many Indians (from India - not American
Indians). The Indians might say, "Why do the Mexicans have to be so mean? What they are doing make me so mad. All we want to do is work hard for wages
the Mexicans do not want to work for."
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villadelfin
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ok....when did the USA decide to put in the interstate high way system? and how long did it take to be substantially complete and useable, for the
most part? And it's a given that it was expensive, so what?
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The highway system was part of the make work projects. How ironic that if we decide to build a wall today, the American contractors
who build it will use illegals to build it, and with that much construction going on, will invite more persons to risk border crossings in order to
appease your fear of a changing culture
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bancoduo
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ok....when did the USA decide to put in the interstate high way system? and how long did it take to be substantially complete and useable, for the
most part? And it's a given that it was expensive, so what?
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The highway system was part of the make work projects. How ironic that if we decide to build a wall today, the American contractors
who build it will use illegals to build it, and with that much construction going on, will invite more persons to risk border crossings in order to
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Are you one of the Mexican take back there land advocate? :moon:
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Diver
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I used to live in the land of quality custom homes.
These days if you don't use a mexican crew for sheetrock, stonework or painting, you can't compete with all the "new" builders who are out for the
buck. These guys definitely take many good jobs from legal americans who need them. Many use fake social security cards and pay taxes but often
support 20+ relatives and their kids who do use our school and health services.
Any idea how many are getting illegal welfare with fake social security cards ? You'd be amazed !!
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villadelfin
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I'll say it again
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The highway system was part of the make work projects. How ironic that if we decide to build a wall today, the American contractors who build it will
use illegals to build it, and with that much construction going on, will invite more persons to risk border crossings in order to appease your fear of
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Bancoduo, what does what I said characterize me as an advocate of Mexicans taking back 'their' land?
IMO a wall will just give money to the Haliburtons of the world and will not contribute to the economy. The act of building the wall will increase
illegal immigration as people flock to the construction sites to get the work.
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Hook
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Geronimo
thank you for your perspective.
It goes into the grist mill of the immigration issue, which is not to say that it is abandoned. It is very much appreciated.
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capt. mike
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in metro PHX the following tract sub trades use ALL hispanic workers who for the most part do a great job, some legal some not but with maybe fake
cards: drywall, stucco, framers, roofers, concrete finish, tilers, painters, insulators, landscapers et al.............
the reputable skilled trade companies put their imported workers thru an immigration program, i mean electricians, HVAC and plumbers and carpenters,
that's the only way they can get enough workers to support this boom. the young Americans getting out of high school today do not want to get into the
trades, they want higher pay and college/tech schools - airconditioned environments.
without the hispanic workers construction would die here. i am all for bringing them in and doing it thru a process. it can be done, i know too many
subs who are doing it via extensive investment in programs they run, including english classes. these guys shortly make what their American
counterparts used to get. and they do good clean work.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
in metro PHX the following tract sub trades use ALL hispanic workers who for the most part do a great job, some legal some not but with maybe fake
cards: drywall, stucco, framers, roofers, concrete finish, tilers, painters, insulators, landscapers et al.............
the reputable skilled trade companies put their imported workers thru an immigration program, i mean electricians, HVAC and plumbers and carpenters,
that's the only way they can get enough workers to support this boom. the young Americans getting out of high school today do not want to get into the
trades, they want higher pay and college/tech schools - airconditioned environments.
without the hispanic workers construction would die here. i am all for bringing them in and doing it thru a process. it can be done, i know too many
subs who are doing it via extensive investment in programs they run, including english classes. these guys shortly make what their American
counterparts used to get. and they do good clean work. |
If they were paid union wages americans would be
standing in lines to get these jobs. Its all about CHEAP labor. We also have to free up young Americans to fight our wars.
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Al G
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Fellow Nomads,
The above postings seems to me the most thoughtful and insightful (except for Bancoduos "young Americans to fight our wars") I have read on this
board. I find it difficult to disagree pro or con. At least we all agree something must be done, just what is still a question mark. I think a poll of
solutions should be done.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
Fellow Nomads,
The above postings seems to me the most thoughtful and insightful (except for Bancoduos "young Americans to fight our wars") I have read on this
board. I find it difficult to disagree pro or con. At least we all agree something must be done, just what is still a question mark. I think a poll of
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Iwas being sarcasticI
think you took it the wrong way.
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surfer jim
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Bush on TV now......
Reform....
secure border.... add 6000 new border patrol officers...fences, technology to be used...6000 national guard to be used for one year...fed funds for
states....no catch and release.....
temp worker program to be added....tamper proof ID card....
oppose ammensty.....no round up of illegals....process to legalize....
melting pot....reform bill needed....immigrants welcomed...
What do you think?
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bajalou
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sounds OK to me
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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TMW
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On a local radio talk show the other day a guy called in and said he worked the oil fields. He said the Americans would pass a drug test and get a job
working the fields but would later fail a test and get fired. The Mexicans would pass the test again and again and again. They wanted the job more
than pot.
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Skeet/Loreto
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TW; Well stated!
Can you imagine the Price of Milk, Vegetables, Fruit, Wine, etc. if there were no one to work the Fields?
What would happen to all the Small Businesses, who produce the Wealth which in turn produces the Taxes, which produces families?
Seems as if we would have a "Depression" much larger than the "Great Depression of the 30's.
Skeet/Loreto
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bajalou
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A friend has a welding shop in the San Jose CA area and gave up hiring Gringo welders because of poor attendance, long breaks. Only hired Mexican
(legal or other, I don't know) Paid them all the same but got the work done with the Mexicans.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
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