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Bajaboy
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I was down with Juan and Shari last week when the events happened. From what I understand, the poachers were Mexican. The boats they use are very
fast and powerful. In addition, the poachers are usually armed. I got the feeling that the poachers were on par with some of the drug runners but
that was only my opinion.
I guess the Governor of Baja Sur was in Abreojos fishing. Hence, the fisherman (about 3000) from the surrounding villages wanted to protest to him.
They burned the poachers boats to make a point to other poachers and to get some media attention.
I might suggest that they hang the poachers like they used to do the cattle rustlers of the west.
Also, I guess the poachers get jailed but post bail and are released.
Zac
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shari
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gracias Iflyfish for your understanding of my intentions with this post. These poachers were Mexican but there are ALOT of tourists who take lobster,
abalone, clams etc. illegally and sometimes are unaware of the laws. I am not being militant here, just attempting to forewarn some newbies who may
get into trouble. Mexico is awesome until you get into crap and it is wise to be very careful in THIS area anyway. I wasn't aware of some of these
laws until recently when I came to know the fisheries inspector here and he advised me to warn the visitors. Also, hawaiin slings are illegal and your
spearguns need a special permit.
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decope
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Shari,
I was out your way surfing Punta Choro (I think that is the right spelling). Met a nice guy named Pulga and hung out for a couple of days. We then
headed for Abreojos and were there when the poachers were caught. I have a good friend in Abreojos named Chelo who has a pizza place in town and this
is how she explained the events to me. The poachers had engine trouble and when the local fishermen came to assist them they noticed a large quantity
of fuel on the panga (drums) this aroused thier suspesion, they called ahead and informed the fishermen in town and then towed the panga in. They were
met by a mob of hostile fishermen. who upon serching the boat found a GPS with the co-ordanites of the areas best for lobsters up and down the
coast.The poachers had to be rescued from the angry mobby by the military. They were jailed and later made to watch as thier pangas were burned. I
never found out how the second panga was caught but I imagine there was some skillfull interogating going on. As a side note I was told that the
locals were losing up to 300 kilos a night. That a lot of pesos.
Dave
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dean miller
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
"...Also, hawaiin slings are illegal and your spearguns need a special permit." |
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It is established that only rubber powered spear guns have been legal for some years in Baja, Mexico.
According to your posts "Hawaiin slings" whch are rubber powered are also illegal? Is this a recent development? FYI I am 100% in favor of making
them illegal. The majority of the time they are used by rank novices who by their lack of skill and the sling's lack of power and accuracy do
considerable damage to the fish population by in complete penitration, scaling and nicking, all which are fatal to a fish. So Bravo!
I am unaware that rubber powered spear guns are illegal. Is there a established law on the books or is this a regional enforcement? Please advise.
FYI many years ago...at least 45 or more years ago, the nortamericaos were using CO 2 powered spear guns which could be converted into a topside
weapon--these were declared illegal to own, use or bring into all of Mexico.
There was a special point called a point impact or power head that fired a six inch dart via a 22 or 38 cal shell. These were also declared illegal
by both the US and Mexico
authorities.
Could these two spear fishing items be what you are referring to as requireing a special pemit?
Please advise.
thank you, DM
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jimgrms
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Shari is warning us if we are caught with illegal shellfish we will pay the price,, so do it at your peril , she knows a gringo is not going
to catch 300 lbs of bugs , and make a living out of poaching , so just stay legal and there will be no problems,,,sometimes i don't understand
folks they spend tens of thousands of dollars to buy equipto go fishing in baja anb won't go to the trouble to learn the fishing laws, or buy
licenses to fish ,because they think its cheaper to bribe there way out if caught
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shari
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Dean, I'll check out your questions with the fisheries officer here.
Last month there was another interesting poacher story at Cedros Island. Because Vigilancia patrol people are not armed....a poacher panga who was
approached by what they thought was a vigilancia panga fired a couple of shots at them to scare them off (knowing they aren't armed) however they were
mistaken because it wasn't a vigilancia panga but a navy panga who having been shot at....opened fire on the panga with a semi automatic machine gun
and killed one, maybe two....I'm not sure. Lots of people think the vigilancia need to be armed....most of the narco pangas are certainly armed and
some poachers too.
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bigzaggin
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For once I agree with Shari...these people need more guns. In fact, I can hardly think of a conflict that couldn't use more firepower, not to
mention the proven fact that fish guarded by high caliber weaponry taste way better. I read that in the New York Times or something.
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Summanus
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Most ranchers and all outfitters that I have visited in Baja and mainland Mexico are armed with some kind of firepower. These poachers are armed too,
so it seems....so why not the vigilantes?
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Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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