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bufeo
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by capt. mike...my EPIRB won't go off unless I activate it manually. and it has internal GPS, tells rescue where it/I am
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That's the type we had on our trawler (Santa Barbara Marina), and I was in the process of up-grading to the auto type when we sold the boat.
For anyone interested here's a LINK to Emergency Position Indicating Beacons and their types.
There is also a web site regarding "help find Jim Gray" HERE.
I've sailed and motored up and down both U.S. coasts, the N. Atlantic, and the Caribbean. Don't think I'll speculate in this case. Too many
variables.
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Man that picture in front of the Casino brings back memories. I spent every summer on Catalina from the time I was old enough to remember till about
14. Mini golf, salt water taffy, under sea gardens, flying fish, Buffalo. My family used to fly over on our twin beech. Anyone ever land at that
airstrip? Cliffs at both ends. What great times. I hope mr. gray turns up somewhere, somehow I doubt it though.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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Bob and Susan
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susan and i spent alot of summer weekends there too...
a couple rows back with the smaller boats...
we always watched movies in the evening at the casino..
motored over in our dingy
that's a pretty big sailer...
an ex-mayor of catalina stays in mulege every winter...
susan's at their house EVERY night...eating...and remembering
small world
hope he's found safe...
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MrBillM
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Fugly Plastic Boat ?
The Boat doesn't look that bad. Ugly Paint job, though. Don't knock those Plastic boats. I've had many friends, including a next-door neighbor who
made the Mistake of realizing their dream and buying a Classic Wooden Sailboat. In the case of my neighbors, they sold their 30ft.
Newport (Plastic) Sloop and bought a Cheoy Lee Wooden Schooner built in the 50s. As the wife put it "we used to go out sailing every weekend. Now we
go down and work on the boat". After three years of restoration and maintenance, they sold it and bought another "Plastic" Sloop.
Back in 1992, I was in Virgin Gorda Yacht Harbor with a leased Hunter Legend 35.5. The couple in the next berth had a brand-new Hunter Vision 36.
Their first comment on the Legend was that "it had too much wood". One of the deciding factors when they bought the Vision to keep in the BVIs was
the lack of Wood to maintain.
Speaking of the Avalon Casino, I spent many, many weekends and vacations (Summer and Winter) on Catalina from 1956-1959 as an 11-14 year old kid. My
father was a Fishing Fanatic and almost always took me along to do the grunt work and fish cleaning. The upside was that he would give me money in
the evening to go to the movies while he and his friends drank in the bars. During the summer, of course, the theater in the Casino was open, but
during Fall to Spring, they would close and there was a smaller theater on the waterfront at the other end of town. It's still there, but it's a shop
of some sort now. Avalon was a Ghost town during the Dead of Winter. Today it's packed no matter what the time of year. I wandered just about every
street in that town.
Much later, in the 1970s, I landed a few times at the hilltop airport. It was a strip that made you pay attention to your instruments. Coming in off
the water, you had a distorted perception of your altitude relative to the Airport. Part of that, I was told by one of the airport staff, was that
the runway had a slight "hump" in it. Another Airstrip which had a "Hump" (at the near end) was runway 8 at Twentynine Palms. At one time, one of
the local pilots (as a result of "Hard" landings ) made up some T-Shirts that read "I HATE EIGHT". On the few times I used it, I shared the feeling.
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Crusoe
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My older brother and I use to fly over to Avalon in the 50's from Long Beach Airport to meet my dad and his fishing buddies, in the Grumman Gooses.
Landing on the water in those planes was the biggest thrill for me.I thought they were perfect rigs and always would wanted to build one out of wood.
Avalon was lots of fun for kids in those early days. "Dead in the Winter" is putting it mildly Bill M..... Thanks for the nostaliga
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BajaNomad
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Note the PDF "poster" for distribution and posting in Mexico from the helpfindjim website noted previous:
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/%7Edtliu/jg/jgmiss_mexico.pdf
And requested contact email if you've posted one of these somewhere:
search.jimgray+posters@gmail.com
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The Boat doesn't look that bad. Ugly Paint job, though. Don't knock those Plastic boats. I've had many friends, including a next-door neighbor who
made the Mistake of realizing their dream and buying a Classic Wooden Sailboat. |
Bow entry......ugly
Toe rail.....ugly
Paint job.....way ugly
Reverse transom......fugly
The reference to plastic was because it is. I wouldn't own a wood boat.
There are lots of good looking plastic boats. This ain't one of them.
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Bob and Susan
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it's not about looks...
it's about performance...
I would have been single a looong time ago if it was about looks
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MrBillM
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I've seen worse, BUT.........
Beauty is as beauty does. I'll agree that it's not the best looking sloop.
I've sailed many boats in the mid 30 foot range (I'm sure others have sailed more) and each had its merits. The Best sailing boat was an Oday 34, but
I wouldn't have owned it. Typical forward-Head config. In 1991, I chartered a Beneteau Oceanis 350 for two weeks down in Tortola. A Great sailing
boat, too, but pricey to own and too much Teak below. Another couple came along and it was immediately apparent it was too small a boat for four
people. In 1992, my wife and I went back alone and chartered a Hunter Legend 35.5. An excellent, powerful sailer, but you could see where they saved
money.
My favorite boat in the class if I were going to own and live aboard often ? The Catalina 34. GREAT interior layout. In my opinion, The most
comfortable in the class. It is, no doubt, the slowest sailing boat of the bunch, but you'll be happier when you drop the hook. I would have rented
one in the BVIs, but there were none around in those days. Right after that, they went to the shallower-draft keels to make them more popular for
charter boats in the tropics.
[Edited on 2-14-2007 by MrBillM]
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oxxo
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Okay, that settles it
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I spent many, many weekends and vacations (Summer and Winter) on Catalina from 1956-1959 as an 11-14 year old kid. |
I already knew I was smarter and better looking than MrBillM, now I know I'm older too!
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comitan
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Dave
I can't believe what I am hearing, the C&C 40 is an old IOR design it was built for racing and cruising, it has fine lines and is a beautiful
boat, Many years ago I was crewing on one coming back from the Farallon Is. winged out with the jib and we were doing 13 knots in fact someone took a
picture of the knotmeter they also got a picture of me which was shown extensively around the Bay because I was green around the gills.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Sharksbaja
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Ah, Catalina, the Island of Romance
Sure is fun to visit, fun to play, fun to reminisce. Try living on that rock for 4 yrs. Talk about small town mentality. Watched the whole place
suffer severely from weekend warriors and loco big-game big-egoed hunters over the years. Got my first pink abalone when I was eight or nine yrs old there.
Used to be abs, bugs, barracuda bla bla bla everywhere. Used to watch night-checkout-divers take whatever they wanted with no problem from the
skipper or divemasters.
It's no wonder there's a moratorium on damn near everything there. It was a good experience and really enjoyed it for a while. Good thing Baja isn't
accessable.
endofrant
Comi- I have sailed on those. I find 13 knots extremely fast for that rig.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Dave
I can't believe what I am hearing, the C&C 40 is an old IOR design it was built for racing and cruising. |
The C&C 33 was the best looking modern racer I ever saw. IMO, the 40' looks like a pig. Don't doubt that it's fast, though.
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Sharks
You Southern Calif. Sailors don't know what wind is, we would have been flying the shute if we could have. I have done 12 knots in my Newport 30 not
possible in So.Cal.? Now if anyone wants to question my sailing credentials its too much to be posting here but is very verifiable one of my biggest
accomplishments is being the originator of the Silver Eagle Long Distant race on San Francisco Bay that I started in 1976, Google it, It won't say
who, but email Island Yacht Club they will tell you.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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MrBillM
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Oxxo the Elder ?
I'm one week short of 62, but they say you're as old as you feel.
By that standard, many days I'm 80 or so.
I've never sailed SF Bay and never had any desire to do so. I approached sailing as a pleasant pastime, not a challenge. One of the reasons that I
never participated in any racing events. Subscribing to Latitude 38 for years, I saw and read enough to know it wasn't my idea of sailing. I once
met a couple in Chula Vista who were retreiving a New F27 Trimaran they had taken out on her maiden voyage with the dealer that sold it. He was an
Airline Pilot based in the SF area. His wife said that a normal day on the bay was one with the main double-reefed. She had convinced him to buy the
F27 because she wanted something that sailed flatter.
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Crusoe
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Any word on "Tenacious" and Cappy Gray yet??
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Technologists Apply Tools Of The Trade In Search For Jim Gray
http://www.informationweek.com/software/showArticle.jhtml?ar...
Volunteers use satellite imaging and ocean surface modeling in their quest to find Microsoft's missing database guru.
By Charles Babc-ck
InformationWeek
Feb 10, 2007
Silicon Valley continues its search for Microsoft researcher Jim Gray, who hasn't returned from a Jan. 28 solo trip in his 40-foot sailboat off San
Francisco. In the effort to find him, technologists are using the latest tools, some of which Gray himself helped develop: advanced satellite imaging,
ocean drift modeling, and large database searching techniques.
Within days of his disappearance, the U.S. Coast Guard ran grid searches by ship and air over 132,000 square miles of ocean from the Channel Islands
off Los Angeles to Humboldt Bay in Northern California. Unable to find any sign of Gray's red-hulled Tenacious or debris that might indicate a wreck,
the Coast Guard discontinued its search on Feb.1.
The odds get longer each day, but a network of colleagues, peers, and acquaintances has picked up where the Coast Guard left off. Jim Frew, an expert
at using satellite imagery in environmental science and an associate professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and others quickly
concluded that with the right imagery and enough eyeballs, a 40-foot boat could be found on the ocean. In addition, Gray's boat has a standard piece
of equipment for Bay Area sailors, a pie-plate-like radar reflector, good for alerting container ships to a sailboat's presence. That could yield a
characteristic signature if it comes within range of a radar satellite, potentially functioning as a second data source, they reason.
IMAGES, DRIFT
On the day before the Coast Guard search ended, Joseph Hellerstein, a computer science professor at the University of California at Berkeley,
established a Web site devoted to the ongoing civilian effort, and researchers at the Ames Research Center, a NASA unit at Moffett Field in the
valley, persuaded a high-altitude aircraft pilot to change his flight plan and take high-resolution imagery of the search area. And, at the request of
the group and the Coast Guard, DigitalGlobe, a satellite imaging company, redirected its satellites to capture more imagery of the search area.
One of the people volunteering to help is Werner Vogels, CTO of Amazon.com, who has written several research papers with Gray. Vogels arranged for
satellite images to be uploaded to Amazon, where its engineers subdivided the huge images into smaller 400-by-400-pixel tiles that were posted to
Amazon's Mechanical Turk site, which divvies up routine tasks among many people. Twelve thousand volunteers viewed blown-up versions of the tiles and
in a few days inspected all of them for objects that might be a boat.
Coordinating that effort was Oracle VP Mike Olson, a veteran open source project leader and a friend of Gray's. As the image review proceeded, Olson
found other volunteers at the Jet Propulsion Lab to apply the latest ocean surface modeling techniques to data obtained from a buoy dropped by the
Coast Guard. Their objective: to determine where a boat might drift under prevailing conditions. Olson, in a Feb. 8 Web site posting, called the work
done by the image and drift teams unprecedented and said it produced valuable information.
Based on the modeling, the Coast Guard went out again to search the shoreline north of San Francisco and Drakes Bay. If Gray had gotten into trouble
in San Francisco's northern offshore shipping lane, the model indicated, the boat or debris would wash ashore in that area. If he were drifting south,
he would be far offshore and driven by the wind, it showed. Private planes headed south.
Thus far, they have come up empty handed. The search for Jim Gray continues.
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http://www.openphi.net/tenacious/
February 16th, 2007
by Mike Olson
Since January 28, the San Francisco police, the Coast Guard and Jim’s friends and family have conducted an extensive search to find him and his
sailboat, Tenacious, off the California coast. I want to summarize the status of that search here, so that the broad volunteer community that’s done
so much knows where we stand.
The Coast Guard’s air and surface search covered 132,000 square miles in the days immediately following Jim’s disappearance. This search was thorough:
Planes, boats and helicopters covered much of the region repeatedly. Radio broadcast alerts were made for a week, and all marinas and harbors were
canvassed repeatedly. It found no trace of Tenacious or Jim.
During the Coast Guard search and in the days that followed it, Jim’s friends and family assembled satellite imagery, collected wind and current data
and arranged for more air and surface searches over the ocean and coast from Oregon and into Mexico. We have walked stretches of coastline and have
postered marinas with details on the missing boat. The story has drawn attention from around the world.
Based on our knowledge of the boat and weather conditions, we do not believe that Tenacious could have outsailed our search, whether it was under
power, adrift, sailing under autopilot, or even sailing at best possible speed. We have covered an enormous area.
In the last several days, the Friends of Jim group has reviewed all the data with Coast Guard officials. The fact is that we have no evidence as to
what has happened to Tenacious or to Jim Gray. Neither we nor the Coast Guard can come up with a surface search plan that is likely to find either
Tenacious or Jim, given everything that has been done already.
Accordingly, the Friends of Jim group is suspending its active effort to find Tenacious that has been centered here at the blog. For both the Coast
Guard and the Friends of Jim, “suspension” means that the active search has been discontinued due to exhausting all present leads and the lack of new
information. Of course, should we or the Coast Guard receive any new information, we will investigate it.
Understandably, Jim’s family is determined to continue to seek answers, but they deserve to be able to pursue them privately. The family deeply
appreciates everything the Coast Guard and Friends of Jim have done.
Jim’s wife Donna asked me to add this statement of thanks from her on behalf of the family:
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On behalf of our entire family, I would like to thank every individual and organization who helped, and is continuing to help, in a long and difficult
search. As the search takes on a new direction, I want you to know that your faith, hard work and boundless creativity sustain us during this
unbearable time.
Jim is very lucky to have you as friends and colleagues, and we are very lucky and grateful to have your support.
Below, in the previous post to the blog, we have posted recent photos of Jim, photos of Tenacious at anchor and under sail, and an email address where
you can send any information that could help us with our search. Coast Guard and San Francisco Police contact numbers are also listed.
The e-mail address is: search.jimgray@gmail.com.
The Coast Guard contact number is: (415) 399-3547.
The San Francisco police department contact number is: (415) 553-1071.
Thank you, one and all, for this amazing effort to find our Jim.
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[Edited on 2-22-2007 by BajaNews]
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Crusoe
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BajaNews.......Thanks so much for such a precise report. This total dissappearance with absolutely no wreckage or trace of any sign of him goes into
the "very strange but true drawer". Many condolonces to his family and loved ones. So Sad
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