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amir
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From the internet:
History Lesson...
2,000 years ago, Moses said, "Pick up your shovel, pack your ass, mount your camel and I shall lead you to the Promised Land."
200-plus years ago, George Washington said, "Get off your ass, use your shovel, clear the land, grow plants for camels and it will be the Promised
Land."
Last year, the Congress of the United States said, "Amigos, throw away your shovel, sit on your ass, light your Camels, we're giving you the Promised
Land."
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by amir
I have nothing to say in this post - just wanted to reach "100 Posts"!!!
Amnesty to Amir!
Amnesty to off-topic posts!
Amnesty to Amnesty! (just to keep in the subject of this thread...) |
Amnesty to users of Medical Marijuana 
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amir
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Open Borders
One problem I see with open borders is that there would then be a mass migration. Just the ideal of a better life would get people packing. Who would
stay in economically depressed areas or overcrowded cities if there were no borders to stop them?
And would this open border be just between Mexico and the United States, or all of the Americas? If the latter, that would be a huge mess! So many
families would flood north that it would cause bottlenecks on every road for years. How or who would stem the flow?
Open borders is a romantic idea that would work if we were an enlightened humanity. I think Europe tried to test this idea with the Euro, a currency
that knows no borders, and they are having all kinds of problems with it because of the different standards of living in each country. People from one
country don't want to accept Euros from another, even though that was supposed to be the idea.
Current geo-political borders are not where they used to be. Frontiers and borders change from time to time for different reasons; look at old maps of
any continent on earth with country borders, and you'll see how it changes. Borders will change in the future again. For borders to disappear
altogether, human consciousness has to evolve first. Under the current world condition I just don't think it's possible.
--Amir
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DENNIS
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What would it take to end this thread?
Open border?
Closed border?
Amnesty?
No amnesty?
Free Pacifico?
No more Pacifico. ever?
Please. Let's respect its old age and its demise.
Please...........
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amir
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Yeah!!! How DO you kill a thread??
Maybe by not posting on it any more. Every time we post, it brings it to the top again. Then Nomads see how many "hits" it got and they want to see
why! Over 4,430 views. That must be some sort of record. But there WERE some good posts in here (I hope nobody asks me which).
I know: NO MORE PACIFICO IF YOU POST HERE AGAIN!
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"And the Farmer Hauls another Load Away"
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Hmmm... An interesting topic for sure..
Amnesty? Not 'till the borders are very secure. How's that for a compromise?
Really, without proper efforts to secure the border, and to create and manage lawful immigration on a wider scale we will be back in the same dilemma
in another 15-20 years.
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oldhippie
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Looks like the immigration debate is in its 200th+ year. Here's James Madison's cut on immigration and the history of laws/actions that have been
tried. PS You don't need to remind me that this thread is about amnesty for illegal immigrants and the following doesn't always make that distinction.
"When we are considering the advantages that may result from an easy mode of naturalization, we ought also to consider the cautions necessary to guard
against abuse. It is no doubt very desirable that we should hold out as many inducements as possible for the worthy part of mankind to come and settle
amongst us, and throw their fortunes into a common lot with ours. But why is this desirable? Not merely to swell the catalogue of people. No, sir, it
is to increase the wealth and strength of the community; and those who acquire the rights of citizenship, without adding to the strength or wealth of
the community are not the people we are in want of."
1886: Crescent City decides to "remove all Mongolians from our midst." No Chinese are allowed to live in Humboldt County for the next 60 years.
This is a wild 1922 law that was eventually repealed:
"Any woman who marries an alien ineligible to citizenship shall cease to be a citizen of the United States."
That was the 67th Congress dominated by (wouldn't ya know it) Republicans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/67th_United_States_Congress
History of US Immigration Laws:
http://www.idexer.com/articles/immigration_response.htm
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Cost versus Benefit
Throughout the history of the American Colonies and later the United States, our immigration policies have (rightly) varied according to our Economic
and Sociological needs.
In researching my Paternal Genealogy, I found the notation that my antecedent who immigrated to the Colonies in 1635 did so to beat a deadline set by
England to curtail unrestricted emmigration. After having established his residence, he returned to England for his spouse.
Today, as before, the bottom-line needs to be overall benefit to the Country as a whole and not one segment or another.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM[/i
Today, as before, the bottom-line needs to be overall benefit to the Country as a whole and not one segment or another. |
"bottom-line" meaning net profit
..."to be overall benefit to the Country" meaning We the People
Just asking.
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Throughout the history of the American Colonies and later the United States, our immigration policies have (rightly) varied according to our Economic
and Sociological needs. |
Reading the history I posted it appears that the policies have wrongly varied according to the xenophobia de jour and had nothing to do with economic
nor sociological needs. Except if your "sociological need" is due to an inability to deal with anything you perceive to be foreign.
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Xena Who ?
The only Xena I've ever seen was a real Fox.
She had great Dual "Personalities".
Having worked with a couple of aged people who were still time-warped in the 60s, complete with LONG GRAY Hair and a VW Van with Peace symbols, I
laughingly pointed at them one day and said to a co-worker "have you ever seen anything more pitiful ?" I knew they wouldn't start anything because
they're all Pacifists, right?" Besides, HIM I could have whipped. Her, I'm not too sure about.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The only Xena I've ever seen was a real Fox.
She had great Dual "Personalities".
Having worked with a couple of aged people who were still time-warped in the 60s, complete with LONG GRAY Hair and a VW Van with Peace symbols, I
laughingly pointed at them one day and said to a co-worker "have you ever seen anything more pitiful ?" I knew they wouldn't start anything because
they're all Pacifists, right?" Besides, HIM I could have whipped. Her, I'm not too sure about. |
 
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Besides, HIM I could have whipped. |
Hmmmm, goodie for you Mr. Bill.
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