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flyfishinPam
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From Lencho's link (4 posts up)
These are the machine specs listed that will give this product trouble if used in Loreto:
Ideal Working Conditions: 68-104 deg F, 20-40 C, 60-100% RH
Average Power Consumption: 0.1 - 0.4* kW h/L
* The actual Power Consumption will vary with temperature, R/H levels, and energy cost at time of operation.
ALL SPECIFICATIONS AND TECHNICAL DATA RELATING TO ALL AIR WATER MACHINES AND PRODUCTS AS LISTED ABOVE ARE BASED ON AVERAGE MEAN TEMPERATURES
OF BETWEEN 68 - 104 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT (20 - 40 DEGREES CELSIUS), AND WITH RELATIVE HUMIDITY CONDITIONS OF BETWEEN 60-100%. SPECIFICATIONS
ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. FINAL DETAILED SPECIFICATIONS WILL BE SUPPLIED AND CONFIRMED ON RECEIPT AND CONFIRMATION OF ORDER.
one thing I wonder frm this statement is that if power consumption will vary with energy cost at time of operation?? so if the power costs more will
it consume more??  These people writing this are not in complete understanding
of thier system and or they thing we readers are idiots.
we seem to be having a relatively cool JUly and my best guess is that we haven't reached 60%RH yet. in late summer we'll reacy 60% alright but our
high temperatures will exceed 104F. in the winter our temperatures won't go below 60F too often by day but they certainly do at night in the winter
months. the big bummer is that in wintertime I rarely see the RH go above 40% and that is from mid october through mid june in other words
most of the year my conclusion based on this is that this system would not work in Loreto throughout the year. Pacific side is
another story and lots of parts in mainland Mexico (like whre my other land is) it sure would work well!
Now I'll take a look at the specs on that machine that will be deployed here. Geeze sounds like a war or something
[Edited on 7-13-2007 by flyfishinPam]
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well I took a quick look at the waterpure site linked from this thread and all i can say is wow, think of te sound of one hand clapping. UUHH this is
a HOME unit designed for a family, a family that can afford to run this kind of thing. Loreto is currently a town of about 17K persons but with the
Loreto Bay buildout there will be an estimages 260.000 new bodies here to support the sustainable village. do you think all of them will have these
in their homes? hell do you think all the homes will even have electricity? this is a laugh and I haven't even read the specs yet!
yeah I will enjoy the propaganda and I will enjoy it more when we call them on it and place the facts on the table. not all f us are brainless twits
with too much money to keep track of! on myself I'm talking the money part
[Edited on 7-14-2007 by flyfishinPam]
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Assuming an average residence uses 125 gl per day. That would be 750,000 gals a day for 6000 units. Then add another estimated 500,000 gl a day for
pools, jacuzzies, restaurants and other buildings and needs. So that's 1,250,000 gl a day not including the golf courses.
Let's see..... 4.5 gal a day per unit per day. That's only 277,777 units required. One filter change on all those would cost approx 7 million dollars
at 25 bucks apiece.
Sounds good to me. Gawd I love these clever people.
[Edited on 7-10-2007 by Sharksbaja] |
I can't seem to copy that chart that sharks posted in the quote above but take a look at 30C and 80%RH the yield is 119 litres! they screwed up the
chart results.
in summertime my family of five drinks and cooks with a little over a garrafon per day (19 litres) so that's about the yield that 86F and 80%RH will
give you. my best guess is that washing/watering we use another 60-80 gallons. our washing water gets used to water plants on our land and we have
very few non-native plants that require watering for lack of water. this thing can't meet my familie's needs and will definately not meet the
consumption needs of a Loreto Bay home let alone a city of a quarter million persons!
From an ingenero at Loreto Bay, he tells me that most of the homes have a dunk pool and jacuzzi in addition to the drinkable water they will consume,
washing water and watering water, how the hll will 5 gallons per day support even this?! my family ives in the desert and since we have water
delivered we are very conservative with it and this thing couldn't even support our needs. what a complete joke :moon: howz dat for propoganda
bashing?
from the ingenero maybe a bit jaded with the project there says "sustainability is sacrificing the needs of future generations while meeting the needs
of the present"
[Edited on 7-14-2007 by flyfishinPam]
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flyfishinPam
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KNow what? I dumped my 5 gallon bucket of water that catches the air conditioner water at 10am and now at almost 8pm it is full again. I'm using a
samsung 10,000BTU mini split and not only do I get water of the quality I can wash my floors with and water the potted plants outside but I'm also
getting a nice cool room 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
I'm reporting these people to Al Gore & Co. I'm no chemist but it is obvious to me that if you take the water out of the air you will add greatly
to Global Warming. Dry air cannot protect the earth from the sun's powerful gamma/slamma rays the same way wet air does. What about water for
septic? Washing the electric golf carts? If you make enough to fill swimming pools, grow golf courses won't all the other plants die of dry air
syndrome? These things could turn the whole Loreto area into a veritable desert. |
Water is a greenhouse gas too...along with methane and others that don't make the news...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
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the A/C is in my shop but door closes and opens all the time when all those paying customers come in  right now I don't have one at the house as I don't like A/C, gives me a cold. before in our old shop our A/C's
were wall units and the water just dripped outside onto the sidewalk to evaporate. now we don't have a handy area for the waer to collect so I
decided to use a bucket. had no idea how much water was going to be produced and have been joking that we could create water here in Loreto with our
own air conditioners. my mini split cost only 5,000 pesos with factura (write off) its much less than one of the lower end units that waterpure has
on its website, but I wouldn't want to run it in the wintertime, a heater is better then.
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Stay tuned for the latest from BigSky Sustainable industries, the company that will soon be unvieling the new Sustain 2000® cold fusion home power
plant.
The Sahara® Air Treatment System. Similar in appearance to the familiar window mounted air conditioners, but with a "Twist®." Twist® one direction for
cooling air in warm climates. Or, should it get a bit chilly, twist the unit around and it provides warm air! And with either setting, pure, clean
condensed water is collected for use in watering plants, washing your llama or filling icy-cold water balloons! And for those trying to sustain their
family budgets, it's affordable for four easy payments of $899!
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Don AlleyThe Sahara® Air Treatment System. Similar in appearance to the familiar window mounted air conditioners, but
with a "Twist®." Twist® one direction for cooling air in warm climates. Or, should it get a bit chilly, twist the unit around and it provides warm
air! And with either setting, pure, clean condensed water is collected for use in watering plants, washing your llama or filling icy-cold water
balloons! And for those trying to sustain their family budgets, it's affordable for four easy payments of $899! |
Uhh, you DO realize you're pretty much describing a heat pump (existing old technology), right?
--Larry |
Now don't get all technical on me. Actually, I was describing a plain old window
air conditioning unit, only it twists around, costs $3600 dollars but comes with a really nice brochure and a certificate good for enough carbon
credits to be carbon neutral.
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How much water?
Sorry I didn't read this thread but the device they are describing looks like it would yield about a quart a day of water at the cost of many kilowatt
hrs. of electricity. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
Stay tuned for the latest from BigSky Sustainable industries, the company that will soon be unvieling the new Sustain 2000® cold fusion home power
plant. |
we get too many of these in town and they'll have to call next years tournament "Fission for the Mission"
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Will they still need wrist bands???
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| Quote: | Originally posted by backninedan
Will they still need wrist bands??? |
con fusion, si.
with fission, you're the 800lb gorilla and don't need anything.
I bought some wrist bands today for visitors who went out with us. The latest is that expats must have a copy of their FM3 or FM2 on board. No more
honor system.
And I guess launching at the Loreto Marina is now considered recreating in the Marine Park, at least when they are ticked off.
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Pam had warned me about the fm-3 copy, so we sealed some in plastic and put them with the twleve other things we need to launch, fishing license, boat
permit, boat fishing permit, etc etc etc
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I think you've got it, Pam....
This thing's just an A/C or dehumidifier unit, with some filtration and a UV purifier cobbled on.... the problem would be the power...
What do you think it costs to run that mini-split, Pam?
If using solar, and you need 8.6 KW... and if a 100 watt panel costs $500, that's $43,000 just in panels, and God knows how much more in batteries,
inverters and charge controllers.... 86 panels, about 2'x5' each... you could roof a palapa! <G>
Neil
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
KNow what? I dumped my 5 gallon bucket of water that catches the air conditioner water at 10am and now at almost 8pm it is full again. I'm using a
samsung 10,000BTU mini split and not only do I get water of the quality I can wash my floors with and water the potted plants outside but I'm also
getting a nice cool room |
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by neilmac
This thing's just an A/C or dehumidifier unit, with some filtration and a UV purifier cobbled on.... the problem would be the power...
What do you think it costs to run that mini-split, Pam?<G>
Neil
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not sure of the cost just yet as it was installed last month right after I paid the electricity bill. I'll be finding out next month. hopefully its
more efficient than the two wall units I used to run.
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The Cost of Water
They say that all things are relative and that is true when it comes to the price of water. I have no doubt that the upscale resorts will find a way
to supply water whatever the cost may be. The richer you are, the less important the cost becomes.
Back in the early 90s, we were down in the BVIs on a charter sailing vacation. We happened on two occasions to be in Virgin Gorda Yacht Harbor on a
Friday.
The wealthy (or would-be wealthy) Cuban expatriates who had relocated to Puerto Rico would make speed runs in their Sportfisher Power Yachts for a
weekend in the BVIs. Their Boats reflected their place in the Food Chain. The biggest they could afford. Fresh Water was available at the Marina
for 25 cents per gallon ($20 minimum). The first thing the "CubaRicans" would do upon arriving in their slips was start to wash down their boats with
said water, many of them spending an hour or more getting that nasty Salt Stuff off of their Showboats. I've no idea what the cost is today, but I'd
bet they're still washing those boats down.
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