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Pres. Calderon--too much Tequila?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/04/Dobbs.Sept5/index.html
Check this out. U.S. give up our country's sovereignty? I thought we had a good guy in the new President of Mexico. First time I have ever been
wrong. Perhaps we should just annex Mexico.
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This is a commentary by Lou Dobbs... NOT an actual news report.
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There is far more opinion than fact in that article. Typical Lou Dobbs anti-Mexican banter disguised as fact designed to stir up the under-educated
masses all in the name of ratings and ego.
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In his state of the union address to the Mexican nation, Calderon established his imperialistic imperatives: "I have said that Mexico does not
stop at its border, that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico. And, for this reason, the government action on behalf of our countrymen is
guided by principles, for the defense and protection of their rights."
Mexico's citizens enjoy blanket constitutional protection, worldwide.
What a concept.
What if the U.S. did the same? 
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You are probably right and I am an uneducated fool and part of the masses. But I like Dobbs show.
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It seems the disenfranchised must leave the country to enjoy their rights. They don't have them at home.
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It did, however, contain a bone intended for politicians in Washington to chew on - perhaps with enough flavor to satisfy some of Calderón's
detractors back home. That was the PAN pol's condemnation of Team Bush's policies, such as they are, affecting illegal immigrants from Mexico to the
U.S. Calderón said, to "raucous applause": "I want to express again an energetic protest at the unilateral measures taken by the U.S. Congress and
government which exacerbate the persecution and abusive treatment of undocumented Mexican workers....The Mexican government will continue to insist
firmly...on the need for an integral immigration reform and the categorical rejection of the building of a wall on our common border." (Reuters)
This, not from Dobbs, but from Reuters News Service---a very respected organization. There are others on the Webb with excerpts from the Presidents
speech. Its possible that Dobbs took what was said (actually written) and expanded it a bit. I do believe, as a country, we have a right to guard
our borders and check out who we allow to enter. This due to the terrorist threats to our country. Viva Mexico and Viva America!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capn.sharky
. Viva Mexico and Viva America! |
Cap'n,
Which America? North, Central, South, or Latin? 
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I like Lou Dobbs. I like his message on the immigration issues but, one must admit, he turns hyperbole into a fine art.......sometimes, not so
fine.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
In his state of the union address to the Mexican nation, Calderon established his imperialistic imperatives: "I have said that Mexico does not
stop at its border, that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico. And, for this reason, the government action on behalf of our countrymen is
guided by principles, for the defense and protection of their rights."
Mexico's citizens enjoy blanket constitutional protection, worldwide.
What a concept.
What if the U.S. did the same? |
Can you imagine if the president of any other country would have said this? Sounds exactly like something that would have come from Hitler.
: "I have said that Germany does not stop at its border, that wherever there is a German, there is Germany"
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Not the same intent
| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Can you imagine if the president of any other country would have said this? Sounds exactly like something that would have come from Hitler.
: "I have said that Germany does not stop at its border, that wherever there is a German, there is Germany" |
Mexico believes, unlike its neighbor to the north, that her citizen's constitutional rights extend past her borders. Given that Mexico isn't in a
position to enforce this belief it's mostly a symbolic gesture. Still, there can and have been instances where Mexican citizens have filed criminal
complaints in Mexico against foreigners for crimes allegedly committed abroad.
Think that might could ruin your next trip to cancun?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
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Mexico believes, unlike its neighbor to the north, that her citizen's constitutional rights extend past her borders.
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I mentioned this somewhere above but, why doesn't Mexico start protecting citizens with their rights in Mexico? What about the indigenous population
who are treated like two legged dogs? When they run the border and get involved in remitances and leave the ranks of the unemployed in Mexico,
they're treated like abused expatriots with rights which were nebulous to them before they left. What a bunch of self-serving nonsense this president
speaks.
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Dennis, that is exactly my point. Calderon is advocating immigration by telling people they will still be covered by their own constitution no matter
where they are. It is a cop out.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
It is a cop out. |
More like an enticement to hit the road/border.
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So, do Calderon's policies apply
to Guatamalan and other central american nationals illegally in Mexico?
I'm told that for a Mexican to offer help to an illegal alien in Mexico, the penalty is a fine up to MN10,000... even for giving them food or
water...
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Calderon is just being more overt than the other "one-world" presidents that exist all over the world.
You think both Bushes aren't thinking the same thing, but are prevented from verbalizing it by virtue of their conservative bases?
This is the dichotomy facing the Republican Party. With the complete globalization of the world's economy, their business interests are running
counter to elements of the Constitution.
Isn't Calderon considered a conservative by Mexican standards?
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Why not build a wall on the Canadian border also?
What are we going to do with all the immigrants from Iraq after we close shop there? Do you think they will pick fruit?
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Thats a good one, Pam. I agree wholeheartedly with you on that one, eh? By the way, you site is really getting awsome. I love the history on your
captains and the Pavoratti, pictures of the storm. Keep up the great work.
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I don't see anything from Pam!
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Perhaps the Cap'n is mistaking Iflyfish for Flyfishing Pam. Maybe IFF should change his name to IflyfishwhenImnotflyfishingpam.
[Edited on 9-12-2007 by DanO]
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