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bajaguy
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The RV anti-freeze is ment to be used in the water lines and drains of an RV or home. It is non-toxic to humans and animals
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DENNIS
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Thanks Terry....
I wasn't ignoring you back there, we cross- posted.
I hadn't heard of non-toxic anti-freeze.
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bajaguy
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Yup, at auto supply/RV/Wal Mart stores, It's pink in color. About $1.50 a gallon on sale this time of year.
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Alan
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So anti-freeze doesn't evaporate????
or has freezing become an issue in Baja?
What happened to global warming???
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BajaBruno
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| Quote: | Originally posted by docsmom
WHY'D YOU ATTTACK ME??????????? |
Good question, DocsMom--I can't explain it, either.
However, a little info on antifreeze. Although the stuff is potentially lethal to adult humans in volumes as low as 3 ounces, it is not regulated as
a hazardous material by the EPA or DOT. Ethylene glycol, the major component of antifreeze, is commonly used to de-ice airplanes and runways, and
testing has shown rapid biodegradation in the environment and little likelihood to accumulate or cause harm to aquatic organisms at the concentrations
described in this thread.
As for evaporation, the vapor pressure of ethylene glycol is very low, so evaporation should be slow, but it mixes readily with water, rather than
floating on the surface, so it won’t prevent the water from evaporating. You would need to use enough pure antifreeze to maintain the integrity of
the water trap, which is a lot of liquid if there are less expensive solutions. Antifreeze works well to keep pipes from freezing, but I would find
another solution to evaporation of the plumbing water trap.
Drain vents. I suspect, though I don’t know, that every municipality in the US requires and inspects vented drains by code, but even the most perfect
vents, if the water gap is dry, will not prevent gasses from invading the living space.
To those who worry that the dog will drink the antifreeze from the toilet, I can only suggest my ex-wife’s request that one restore the toilet lid to
its designed position while not using it, and don’t leave the dog in the building while you go away for months at a time.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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docsmom
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| Quote: | Where do you live? You need to be reported.  |
Minnow, I'm your neighbor buddy. I live right here in the city of neon. It's happening all around you. You still haven't explained your problem
with the solution I offered. Care to comment?
Gypsy, thanks for your comments. I once lived in a mountain ski community and antifreeze was used there by the vacation home owners as well.
Bruno,
"To those who worry that the dog will drink the antifreeze from the toilet, I can only suggest my ex-wife’s request that one restore the toilet lid to
its designed position while not using it, and don’t leave the dog in the building while you go away for months at a time. " Touche!
And thanks for your info on the scientifics of anti-freeze. We use it because it helps to a certain extent, certainly better than just water. And we
never use it in the toilets. We just flush them from time to time. It would be great if we could find a more long term solution.
I'm thinking about the oil suggestion. Oil goes rancid and I'm wondering if that could also cause an odiferous problem????
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edinnopolo
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| Quote: | | I'm thinking about the oil suggestion. Oil goes rancid and I'm wondering if that could also cause an odiferous problem???? |
I don't think that applies to mineral oil.
Blessed be the flexible for they shall not bend out of shape.
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Minnow
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| Quote: | Originally posted by docsmom
We build model (show)homes that may sit for 2 to 5 years without any "plumbing use" during that time. In our models we pour some anitfreeze in all
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What kind of tracts are you sitting. For the life of me I cannot figure out where a new home has sat in the valley for 2 to 5 years, and my family has
been in the real estate business here since 1965.
We have used anti freeze in the pipes for our house in Mt Charleston so they do not freeze. Not in the drains and we are on septic.
I kind of remember you posting that you live in vegas. It is illegal to put anti freeze into the sewer system here. That is why you should be
reported. Being a real estate professional you should know that.
Bajaguy is right though. They do sell a eco friendly anti freeze. But that is a relatively recent invention. I cannot imagine it was around when
homes, that were for sale, sat vacant for 2 to 5 years. How long after the last ice age was that anyway>?
Tom Stafford GLVAR public ID # 098100
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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BajaBruno
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Some "Eco friendly " antifreezes are made of Propylene glycol, a chemical that is less toxic to humans. Others just have "eco friendly" names and are
still made with Ethylene glycol.
However, EdInNopolo is correct that mineral oil could be a solution to Alan's original question. Biologists commonly use a film of mineral oil to
prevent water evaporation in a wide variety of testing procedures and it should work in the home without the nasty connotations of antifreeze.
Now, if I just had a few graduated cylinders at hand, I'd be happy to do an informal experiment to see just how much mineral oil would be required to
keep a P-trap full . . . Probably not much.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
However, EdInNopolo is correct that mineral oil could be a solution to Alan's original question. Biologists commonly use a film of mineral oil to
prevent water evaporation in a wide variety of testing procedures and it should work in the home without the nasty connotations of antifreeze.
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Thank you. This is the most logical answer I have heard and one that I will definitely try. Someone reminded me that cooking oil can turn rancid.
The sumer camps in my area use mineral oil on all of their butcher block counters and cutting boards in their kitchens when they close for the winter
to prevent drying.
I'm still not sure it is a problem as no one else seems to have experienced it except for those model homes that sat idle for quite a while. Of
course you only have to smell that odor once to make one want to ensure they never smell it again.
Chris,
I'll be flying in on the 20th for week. Hopefully we can get together. I still owe you lots of margaritas and maybe we can even wet a line.
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BajaBruno
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I'll be ready for those margaritas, Alan! I fished around Punta Pescadero this weekend and did pretty well. I couldn't find tuna or marlin, but the
dorado were thick.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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