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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Terry28
I take our 13 yr old daughter and friends to Baja all the time, we were there last month, for minor children all you need is the birth certificate, a
school picture ID card helps but not necessary. I have never had a "notorized letter" etc. That is usually needed in the US for getting medical care
in case of an accident. Not needed in Baja, or aked for when returning. |
The nototized letter, while a good idea, has not been asked for since the 70's when I went to Baja at 16 & 17 years of age without adults/
parents... I have taken my kids to Baja (without their mother along) as well as their friends to Baja... and have never been asked for a letter from
the missing parent(s).
[Edited on 3-7-2008 by David K]
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
By the way, am I the only one tired of Cabo Ron's incessant whining? |
No
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
I thought I was helping.... If that's the way you feel I am finished with this forum.
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Don't leave, Ron. Your opinion of yourself is what matters and I enjoy your company.
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David K
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For the one or two who like to complain about a contribution here, there are hundres + who have no problem with what is posted or are big enough to
just go to something else if they don't like what is said here.
As long as posts don't violate the Nomad rules or are anti-personal, there should be no issue... Ron, don't let one opinion chase you away... there
are thousands of Nomads and lurkers who aren't so easily irritated. If the moderators would have seen that anti-personal comment and deleted it before
you read it, then you wouldn't have a reason to leave...
More Baja and more Baja Nomad posts, not less!
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lingililingili
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rglansing
Their parents are taking them into Baja and we (Grandparents) are bringing them Home. We do have their Birth Certifcates.
[Edited on 3-6-2008 by rglansing] |
Boy, I would get a notarized letter from their parents stating they have given you permission to do so.
•Life is just one damned thing after another
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lingililingili
| Quote: | Originally posted by rglansing
Their parents are taking them into Baja and we (Grandparents) are bringing them Home. We do have their Birth Certifcates.
[Edited on 3-6-2008 by rglansing] |
Boy, I would get a notarized letter from their parents stating they have given you permission to do so. |
I know I shouldn't do this, but the problem I see with your opinion is Not all parents and grandparents live in glass houses....they are real
families. JMHO
Please don't misunderstand, as I am from a generation of respectful children...my views and parents views differed, but they loved my children as much
as I did. I am sure if you thought about it your parents would and could protect your children as good as you would and could without your permission.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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bajaguy
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Better to have the letters and not need them than to need them and not have them.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Better to have the letters and not need them than to need them and not have them. |
Just bothers me that they could be needed...one of the many good things I love about Mexico...family.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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The Gull
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The US Government may think that kidnapping children is possible in the US Society. Is that possible?
Since the letters are not needed to BE in Mexico, but only possibly needed when returning to the US, it seems that a family photo with G-parents and
Parents with the kids would be strong evidence without the letter.
This is where it might get tricky, the children could assert that all the photographed people are related. It may only be a short trip to secondary,
if the agent can't deal with the situation.
I would vote for not having the letters and take the chance that the CBP having no sympathy and understanding. If the CBP kept the kids and G-parents
locked up, just think of the stories that would be told for generations in the family.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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bajaguy
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From another Board:
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We need an expert answer here, so I'll forward your question to a real one: Jennifer Rose, a highly qualified attorney and resident of Mexico, who
generously helps us out on legal matters.
Please stand by!
People's Guide legal expert, Jennifer Rose:
Here is the general rule on crossing the border with children:
If a minor child is not escorted by both parents, a notarized consent from the absent parent is required. A similar consent from both parents must
accompany the child traveling alone or escorted by a nonparent.
Jennifer
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Debra
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The problem is not bringing the kids back. It's leaving with them.
By US law (not Mexican) you must have the noterized letter! No if ands or buts...........Having said that, I know many, many people that travel with
children with only one parent (or Grandparents) that will say they have never gotten the paperwork and never had a problem.
99% of the time I travel with my son alone, Although I always carry the required paperwork, the only time I've needed it is when getting our FMT's,
then I have ALWAYS been asked to show it. You wouldn't get away with it trying to board a plane out of the country.
It's such a simple thing to do, (just go to your bank, they have the proper form) With the ever changing "rules" and up coming passport
requirements........It seems to me that to take the chance on what could turn out to be a major hassle I'd just get the paper........NO WORRIES.
Mean people suck!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Terry28
I take our 13 yr old daughter and friends to Baja all the time, we were there last month, for minor children all you need is the birth certificate, a
school picture ID card helps but not necessary. I have never had a "notorized letter" etc. That is usually needed in the US for getting medical care
in case of an accident. Not needed in Baja, or aked for when returning. |
The nototized letter, while a good idea, has not been asked for since the 70's when I went to Baja at 16 & 17 years of age without adults/
parents... I have taken my kids to Baja (without their mother along) as well as their friends to Baja... and have never been asked for a letter from
the missing parent(s).
[Edited on 3-7-2008 by David K] |
This is what most travel websites and INM will tell you -- of course, you can ignore it, and and flirt with the risk of trouble  if you get entangled with Mexican authorities:
(from US Mexico embassy website)
Unaccompanied Minors Departing Mexico
In order to combat international child abduction or the exploitation of minors, Article 215 of Mexico’s Ley General de Población requires that minor
non-Mexican children leaving Mexico must be accompanied by both parents or guardians or be prepared to present written authorization to travel from
the absent parent or parents.
This document must include:
the name(s) of the authorizing parent(s),
the name of the child,
the name(s) of the adult(s) accompanying the child, and
the notarized signature(s) of the absent parent(s)
The child must be carrying the original letter – not a faxed or scanned copy – as well as proof of the parent/child relationship (usually a birth
certificate) – and an original custody decree, if applicable.
If there is only one custodial parent, the accompanying adult should be prepared to present documentation to that effect (e.g, a court order granting
sole custody to one parent, a death certificate for the absent parent, etc.).
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lingililingili
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
| Quote: | Originally posted by lingililingili
| Quote: | Originally posted by rglansing
Their parents are taking them into Baja and we (Grandparents) are bringing them Home. We do have their Birth Certifcates.
[Edited on 3-6-2008 by rglansing] |
Boy, I would get a notarized letter from their parents stating they have given you permission to do so. |
I know I shouldn't do this, but the problem I see with your opinion is Not all parents and grandparents live in glass houses....they are real
families. JMHO
Please don't misunderstand, as I am from a generation of respectful children...my views and parents views differed, but they loved my children as much
as I did. I am sure if you thought about it your parents would and could protect your children as good as you would and could without your permission.
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There is no doubt in my mind that I would trust my parents with my children's lives. My comment was made because a notarized note was required of me
when I traveled to Mexico with my own two year old son. His father was not in attendance and the authorities wanted to know I was not stealing him.
•Life is just one damned thing after another
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Debra
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I have to ask David, Have you ever gotten Chirs or Sarah a FMT? I know you have taken them to Mexico hundreds of times with no problem, it only
takes once though.
Again, lots of people do it and get away with it. However, it is breaking the law...............
We all talk about illeagles in the US, is this any different? (no, that question is not directed to David alone. Just something to think about.
Mean people suck!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
We all talk about illeagles in the US, is this any different? |
What do you think?
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
We all talk about illeagles in the US, is this any different? |
What do you think? |
I think most of the "ILL" Eagles would be in Alaska and won't be of much concern to Baja.
Too far to travel.
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Sharksbaja
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It depends on who you deal with that day
Just as always.....
old relevant thread
[Edited on 3-8-2008 by Sharksbaja]
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Terry28
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This is really getting confusing...the letter issue seems to only matter to Mexican officials...when was the last time anyone dealt with a Mexican
official when leaving the country by car??? Probably never. When we flew to Cabo several years ago we took a 9 year old with no letter, we had to
get a notarized doc. form letter from a notary at the airport stating that we were not stealing the child...that was all. We have never been asked for
any letters etc. when getting a tourist card for our grandaughter at the border. They never asked anything.... Everyone has their own opinion but
we do this many times each year with no problems at all....
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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