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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 08:11 PM


Thanks Mango for the kind words...

Even though Ken was concerned about the Lonely Planet Baja guide being less than honest, it seemed like an opportunety to mention the other, older Baja guides that first helped us to find adventures!

I didn't mention some of the newer guides yet, but 'The Baja Adventure Book' and '...of Sea and Sand' are full of awersome details for the off highway folks.

Then there are the plant, animal, and geology guides, as well!

I am here to help share what I have collected over the past 40+ years with you all who love Baja and seek to learn of her mysteries and treasures!

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[*] posted on 5-10-2008 at 07:13 AM


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I was amazed that this book could be had for just 1 penny!?!

Amazon - Baja Guidebook for 1 cent.

[Edited on 4-13-2008 by Ken Cooke]


Ken,

Seldom do things sell for the opening/min bid. Have you tracked this book to see what it is acturlly going for .?

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[*] posted on 5-10-2008 at 07:57 AM


The best collection of BAJA books I have seen in one place (Amazon notwithstanding because you have to seach for a book) is DISCOVER BAJA.
Being Baja veterans comes from our adventurous spirits, however, guide books from THE DISCOVER BAJA membership have helped in determining where we travel to, and let's see what we find in between.




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[*] posted on 5-10-2008 at 07:59 AM


Tom and Patti are 2 of the nicest people you could ever meet in baja.

that book Ken showed was one of my 1st guides and i discovered many places to compliment what i learned from Arnold's guides. Later it got damaged from spilled plastic cleaner in my baggage section - so i got a 2nd via DK here. thx DK.




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[*] posted on 5-10-2008 at 08:02 AM


That particular book is selling for .01 + $3.95 shipping. Amazon is great in that you're not bidding, and the price is set.



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[*] posted on 5-10-2008 at 02:23 PM


We've found Backroad Baja to be accurate, personal and a fun read....Tom and Patty are fabulous folk that truly spend an inordinate amount of time mapping and experiencing the "backroads" of the place we love. We want to go to all of the places they've written about over the years.



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[*] posted on 5-11-2008 at 09:27 AM


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It is kind of a dissapointment after the sales pitch.

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[*] posted on 5-11-2008 at 09:32 AM


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We've found Backroad Baja to be accurate, personal and a fun read....Tom and Patty are fabulous folk that truly spend an inordinate amount of time mapping and experiencing the "backroads" of the place we love. We want to go to all of the places they've written about over the years.


Please let them know that we (at least me) on Baja Nomad rank their book as one of the best Baja guides... I wished they covered more of Baja with their research!

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[*] posted on 8-31-2008 at 03:32 PM


I have some manuscripts by Howard Gulick that I acquired from Walt Wheelock (we were neighbors in Glendale). Two of them are incomplete, so I am wondering if someone may have copies containing the parts missing from mine.

#1: "Pictorial Record of Baja California Mission Sites". this is 10 pages of text, tables and maps. One of the tables refers to 38 photos that should be part of this document, but are missing from my copy. This manuscript is undated, but one of the sketch maps is dated 1960.

#2: "Revisions to Write-up of Baja California Mission Trails", December, 1959.
This is a re-write of a previous manuscript in my collection dated 1954. My copy of the 1954 version is complete, but the 1959 version ends abruptly in mid sentence on page 22. Both the content and the order of sections differ from one version to the other, so I do not know how much is missing.

Any help will be appreciated.

I still have many duplicate books, journals, magazines relating to Baja and the SW, so ask for my tradelist/wantlist. I also have indexes to Baja articles in Desert mag, San Diego Historical Soc, Calif Academy of Sciences, etc - free by email.
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[*] posted on 9-1-2008 at 01:39 AM


Great thread! Thanks for contributing the intersting guidebooks. I wish I could look thu them.



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[*] posted on 9-1-2008 at 09:08 AM


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What is even worse, IMHO, are maps that don't have a clue. We lost all faith in AAA maps after living in Central America. Their map was not only incorrect, it was dangerous.

It showed dirt roads as major highways, and some highways that did not exist at all. Our favorite was one road they showed out to the east coast of Honduras that was a swamp---not even a trail.

Tour books should, IMHO, always been taken with a grain of salt. We have used the Lonely Planet books for a number of countries, but only as a guide. Things change quickly.

The information in the Lonely Planet for Baja is interesting and some of it is quite good---again, it is just a guide. It is certainly not something one would use for the real off-road adventures.

Diane


Diane did you notify AAA of the mistakes? I think whenever we find AAA maps to be seriously wrong we should notify them. The only thing I have noticed about the Baja AAA map is that over the years they have been deleting trails/dirt roads.
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[*] posted on 9-1-2008 at 10:52 AM


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this road is not to be taken lightly. many rock hopping uphill sections now with all of the rains of the past few summers. beware.




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[*] posted on 9-1-2008 at 02:39 PM


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What is even worse, IMHO, are maps that don't have a clue. We lost all faith in AAA maps after living in Central America. Their map was not only incorrect, it was dangerous.

It showed dirt roads as major highways, and some highways that did not exist at all. Our favorite was one road they showed out to the east coast of Honduras that was a swamp---not even a trail.

Tour books should, IMHO, always been taken with a grain of salt. We have used the Lonely Planet books for a number of countries, but only as a guide. Things change quickly.

The information in the Lonely Planet for Baja is interesting and some of it is quite good---again, it is just a guide. It is certainly not something one would use for the real off-road adventures.

Diane


Diane did you notify AAA of the mistakes? I think whenever we find AAA maps to be seriously wrong we should notify them. The only thing I have noticed about the Baja AAA map is that over the years they have been deleting trails/dirt roads.


Yes, we did notify them and they really seemed not to care. We showed agents in an office, we sent letters and e-mails, and nothing. A few years after being in Central America, we happened to be in an AAA office. We picked up the same old map and AGAIN showed it to one of the agents---his comment was, well, they try.

But then again, the map we bought in Guatemala shows Belize as a part of Guatemala, just another state---always has been wishful thinking on their part. :lol::lol:

We always traveil to unknown places with more than one map.

Diane

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