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The Gull
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WE are all going to die.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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tripledigitken
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A question to all you scientists.
North Pole Ice is floating ice (not on land). When it melts it has no effect on the level of the oceans, correct?
Ken
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David K
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In 1957, didn't a U.S. nuclear powered submarine go to the North Pole, and surface there... or any other year, other subs for that matter? The ice
would need to be thin for that to happen, right?
The earth is not static... it changes. What we experience in one lifetime is hardly a way to determin what 'normal' weather is. Maybe we are
warming... maybe we are cooling... maybe neither... but to think man is greater than Nature, Mother Earth or God and can change what the earth is
doing is just plain crazy. The earth has warmed and cooled numerous times, long before man... and will continue to do so.
Common sense people... volcanoes poison the atmosphere daily with more junk than man can produce in a lifetime... and the earth is still alive and
well.
Petroleum deposits, by-the-way... we have tons. The U.S. is the third largest oil producer, even now with the limits on extracting. I am all for new
and unique research and technology for new energy sources. I was really hoping for cold fusion to be a reality... alas, not yet.
Anyway, oxxo... I am here because of Baja... and to tell you Baja is not sinking... or at least not that we would ever be aware of in our life or for
a few hundred more years, I would say... Baja (and California west of the San Andreas fault) is moving north, however!
Have a nice day...
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Pescador
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I guess Skipjack has finally shone through with the most definitive and accurate measure of the reality of Global Warming that has conclusively been
exhibited to date. When algore talks I feel all sticky and sappy and kind of want to take a shower to wash off all of the yech stuff he exudes, but
when Skipjack talks I feel enlightened and informed. I think we need to recall the 1/2 postition Nobel Prize and reward it to it's rightful owner,
SKIPJACK JOE>
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
When it melts it has no effect on the level of the oceans, correct?
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Actually, this is a good question. The simple answer is "no" water level in the ocean does not change when floating ice melts. But the answer is
more complex than that because it depends on water temperature and amount of solids (perhaps minute) in the ice. Cold water is more dense than warm
water. So the complex answer is maybe yes, maybe no, depending on variables.
The bigger problem is melting ice, snowpack, and glaciers in all parts of the world particularly Antartica and the Arctic. This will raise ocean
levels.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
but to think man is greater than Nature, Mother Earth or God and can change what the earth is doing is just plain crazy.
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volcanoes poison the atmosphere daily with more junk than man can produce in a lifetime
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What is your source for this assertion? Sheesh!
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Gadget
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I'm convinced, and have to admit I secretly support global warming since I have switched from boxers to tangerine speedos. 
Awwwe, what happened to the underwear picture???
[Edited on 6-27-2008 by Gadget]
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Sharksbaja
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Those who believe in "global warming" believe in "evolution". Those who don't go to church.
Lots of jibberish here.
Yes David, make sure to end it with a big smiley!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
... but to think man is greater than Nature, Mother Earth or God and can change what the earth is doing is just plain crazy. The earth has warmed and
cooled numerous times, long before man... and will continue to do so.
Common sense people... volcanoes poison the atmosphere daily with more junk than man can produce in a lifetime... and the earth is still alive and
well.
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stick to gardening.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
In 1957, didn't a U.S. nuclear powered submarine go to the North Pole, and surface there... or any other year, other subs for that matter? The ice
would need to be thin for that to happen, right?
The earth is not static... it changes. What we experience in one lifetime is hardly a way to determin what 'normal' weather is. Maybe we are
warming... maybe we are cooling... maybe neither... but to think man is greater than Nature, Mother Earth or God and can change what the earth is
doing is just plain crazy. The earth has warmed and cooled numerous times, long before man... and will continue to do so.
Common sense people... volcanoes poison the atmosphere daily with more junk than man can produce in a lifetime... and the earth is still alive and
well.
Petroleum deposits, by-the-way... we have tons. The U.S. is the third largest oil producer, even now with the limits on extracting. I am all for new
and unique research and technology for new energy sources. I was really hoping for cold fusion to be a reality... alas, not yet.
Anyway, oxxo... I am here because of Baja... and to tell you Baja is not sinking... or at least not that we would ever be aware of in our life or for
a few hundred more years, I would say... Baja (and California west of the San Andreas fault) is moving north, however!
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Huff Huff Huff
 Sorry Boss for being late yet again with your exhibits. The traffic was worse today. Here are the exhibits to illustrate your
statements, supra.
  
    
Boss I hope this was the layout. I think I got it straight here, but I am sure it will be critiqued anyway.
[Edited on 6-28-2008 by ELINVESTI8]
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MrBillM
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The Sky is Falling. The Sky is Falling.
Oh, No, Right.
The Ocean's Rising. The Ocean's Rising.
At least the water will be nearer in on the Neap Tides and swimming will be more convenient.
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Iflyfish
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I guess someone moved the signs showing where the glaciers were in 1937 that I saw when touring the Canadian Rockies and glaciers last year. Kids no
doubt!
See link below regarding shrinking glaciers:
http://www.google.com/search?q=receding+glaciers&rls=com...
I recall when studying theology how scholors argued over how many angels would fit on the head of a pin.
It would seem to me that anything that will spur our development of safe alternative sources of energy is a good thing. Some no doubt would argue this
point also, particularly if they had an oil ox to gore.
I am curious as to what role religion plays in this debate? I have read and discussed the end of the world with a Mayan and understand his world view.
I don't understand the Christian right's perspective on this issue and why it is politicized.
Iflyfish
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gibson
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
... but to think man is greater than Nature, Mother Earth or God and can change what the earth is doing is just plain crazy. The earth has warmed and
cooled numerous times, long before man... and will continue to do so.
Common sense people... volcanoes poison the atmosphere daily with more junk than man can produce in a lifetime... and the earth is still alive and
well.
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stick to gardening. |
I will second that .... go back to posting trip reports, you are very good at that.
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David K
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Why can't all opinions be heard? No need to silence one side... unless the other fears the evidence...
I know that the places I have camped at sea level, or just a few feet above sea level are still there, in Baja... That is what this thread is about...
Vanishing Baja... right? People who live along the beaches and bays of Baja would sure be confirming a rising sea level, don't you think?
Could it be that the Global Warming scare is just a tool at gaining more power by the elites over our lives... to tell us to get along with less...
After all, they don't want riots when their announced tax increases take affect... You know... you said you wanted 'change'... and that's about all
you will have left, if they get in total power!
I am for freedom... to come and go to Baja as I wish... The more taxes taken from our income, the less freedom we have to do for our families and
ourselves.
By the way, I do not do gardening... I do irrigation so others can have a beautiful garden!
Live long and prosper, my friends!
Late addition: I just saw a set of photos from Antarctica of beautiful ice formations... here was one of the captions (inside quotes):
"Antarctica Frozen Wave Pixs - Nature is amazing!
The water froze the instant the wave broke through the
ice. That's what it is like in Antarctica where it is the
coldest weather in decades. Water freezes the instant
it comes in contact with the air. The temperature of the
water is already some degrees below freezing. "
Yup... COLDEST in decades!
[Edited on 6-28-2008 by David K]
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