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palmeto99
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Most if not all people who move to Mexico are not trying to change Mexican culture . They try to teach those who need help. This is what we do . This
might not jive with some who move to Mexico to drown themselves in what they perceive to be Mexican culture. Being poor, ignorant of events outside of
their villiage and scared of their own government does not qualify as culture. I remember being questioned by an off duty policemen in a small townbar
in Bajs Sur a couple of years ago about the minutemen who at that time were just starting to patrol the border with Mexico. He could not understand
how we were allowing these men to kill all of the inocent Mexicans who were running the border. No matter what I said about how this could not happen
with the oversight of the law there. He could not understand it because they did not have the same oversight on his side of the line. Most Mexicans
will tell you the same thing if you ask them about the USA border. Food for thought....
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palmeto99
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Its what we do as americans and what most countries in the western world encourage their citizens to do. Have you ever heard of the peace corp ? Its
not that we are better, its just that we have expertise and know how . Its why most ambulances and firetrucks in Mexico as well as medical equipment
come from the USA rotary clubs. The new high volume water pumps for the water system in Mulege (also supplied by the rotary.) The mexican government
not only wants us to help as we do but are happy because they do not have to do it themselves. 
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The USofA and Mexico have very different histories, these histories affect the way things are done. Both countries have a system that works. To deny
this is to practice cultural ethnocentricism. Human beings are ethnocentric and fear and critize "the other".
When I find myself irritated about something, like I did a while ago related to the topic of "different prices for different people", I try to
understand that which frustrates me from the perspective of the ordinary Mexican.
Issues like this double standard acually work in Mexico and have evolved over centuries. I get myself in a crack when I try to change what I want to
be different in Mexico. It however is very much syntonic with my North American upbringing to be a "problem solver" and to fix that which appears to
be broken. I was raised in a Puritan based, individualistic society that rewards individual inititative and competancy. It is also very much a part of
my background and development to believe that I can fix "systems" and actually think systemically. I have grown up in a society that taught me that
anyone could be President....that Superman could right wrongs...and that science and reason could solve all problems.
I grew up in a society where the police are seen as our friends and that they stand up for the victim. I grew up in a society where I could drink the
water with out thinking about it. I grew up in a society that believed that one was innocent till proven guilty. I grew up with a system of courts
with trial by peers, habius corpus and other guarentees of my rights. I grew up in a society where the ground wire was indeed connected and I did not
have to worry about electrocuting myself in the shower.
I am not saying that my upbringing was better than one raised in Mexico, I am just pointing out the very real developmental differences that are the
source of much that frustrates Nortes in Mexico. There are real differences.
I also agree with Shari, Osprey and others that when in Rome one should appreciate what the Romans are doing and understand and appreciate the
functionality of their ways of doing things and being in the world. There are very good reasons why Mexicans do things the way that they do and need
to "tropicalize" any new innovation.
IflyfishandloveMexicoandit'samazingpeople
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Barry A.
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Very well said, Fish. (bump) Barry
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Thank you Fish, well put ...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
The election of GWB to highest office negates your satement about US. But the upcoming election of Obama proves your post. You score 50%, fulano,
not enough to get a job in my meritocracy. |
Now THAT is a silly statement---------any indepth study of GWB's credentials reveals that he IS educated, and an intelligent man. He may not have the
brain-power of say a Bill Clinton, but then few do, and certainly not many Presidents of the USA. And as shown, Brain Power alone is not necessarily
a required gualification for stellar behavior.
I can't think of something much more stupid than having an affair in the Oval Office, which ruined what was otherwise a darn good Presidency.
You brought it up----------
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I agree, GWBs problems are not intelligence.He will be remembered as a good solid president who did his best. Clintons history will be a little bit
more spotty(dress) The fact that he was so reckless while in office and the democratic followers so quick to forgive what we know about him and his
abuses of women is really frightening given that they might get into office again..
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