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dianaji
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here is a link that might help...for the lemon tree and other edibles...
http://www.backyardgardener.com/forums/forum16/1038.html
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Miracle-Gro works great on Citrus and Avocados since it can be used as a foliar feed--Citrus in particular have problems getting all their
micronutrients from the soil and foliar feeding bypasses that issue and works directly. For organic you can probably use compost tea...???
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barbareno
Hey thanks Diana...running off to work but will check on that link tomorrow.
Barb
[Edited on 9-20-2008 by Barbareno] |
Barb,
Are you thinking about trying to grow an Avocado Tree in Bahia Asuncion??? We wish you lots of luck---you will need it.
Even with all the beautiful little gardens around Bahia Asuncion, you might notice that there are no avocado trees there---not any we have found, and
our friends there told us they would not grow there.
Well, since John grew up in the middle of an avocado grove, has planted lots of avocados, grafted, them, cared for them, etc., he was determined to
have the first avocado tree in Bahia Asuncion.
In this case, wind and salt are the enemy ---same for lots of plants. John dug out a huge area and filled it with the planting soil and mesquite dirt
and with tender loving care, he planted our little tree.
Well, it tried to be good, but the salt and wind won the battle.
So we have to settle for our new avocado tree in Imperial Beach.
Diane
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dianaji, Very interesting.I have wondered about the effects/taste, that the Miracle Grow would have on vegis or fruit.I will pass this info onto my
other half, as he is VERY insistant that MG is the only way to go.We have an Avocado tree in the front yard also, a dwarf variety.No MG for that one,
but it has not flowered/bore fruit yet either!It's about three, four years old.I'm waiting, waiting, wanting to make guacamole!!
Happiness is just a Baja memory away...
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Barb,
Are you thinking about trying to grow an Avocado Tree in Bahia Asuncion??? We wish you lots of luck---you will need it.
I am.  I was hoping I would hear back from you or Shari on that. Still gonna
give it a whirl.
Barb
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dianaji
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Miracle gro vs. organic
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
dianaji, Very interesting.I have wondered about the effects/taste, that the Miracle Grow would have on vegis or fruit.I will pass this info onto my
other half, as he is VERY insistant that MG is the only way to go.We have an Avocado tree in the front yard also, a dwarf variety.No MG for that one,
but it has not flowered/bore fruit yet either!It's about three, four years old.I'm waiting, waiting, wanting to make guacamole!! |
Miracle gro does well with advertising and there are those that want to believe it. yes, they may grow beautiful looking fruit, however, organic may
not be so beautiful to look at, however, the quality of nutrition and the taste are far superior...like many beautiful people, what is inside is what
counts. it took me a lifetime to learn this...and i have learned well!
diana
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barbareno
Barb,
Are you thinking about trying to grow an Avocado Tree in Bahia Asuncion??? We wish you lots of luck---you will need it.
I am. I was hoping I would hear back from you or Shari on that. Still gonna
give it a whirl.
Barb |
We will be there to cheer you on.
Diane
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dianaji
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so, let's talk about worms!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Jorge
However, if you have the right conditions, good water, decent soil and frost free it can be done.
The best exmple of avocado success I have seen in all of Baja is on Pepe Collins ranch on the western slopes of Valle de Guadalupe. Pepe passed away
some years ago, but his family still grows citrus and avocados on the ranch.
It is located on the road from Guadalupe to San Jose de la Zorra which continues on to La Mision. It is the ranch property right before the cattle
guard at the summit of the vally before you descend into the ejido which belongs to the folks at San Jose de la Zorra.
They have foothill property with nice air drainage, so the frost is light, the soil is mostly decomposed granite and loam and they have very good well
water, not much, but with ingenious management it is enough to grow a very impressive orchard.
Ah, the Miracle Gro vs "organic" debate. Suffice it to say real health comes from that which we are just beginning to understand, micro nutrients,
free radicals, oxidants, anti oxidants, bacterial action etc...Real taste comes from the earth, dirt, in which the plants we use for food are grown.
If you miss the old southern California take that road from Guadalupe to La Mision. It is a glimpse back in time. |
ah, a man after my own heart! i so love what u said, "Real taste comes from the earth, dirt..." just like the chickens, grown free range, worms,
natural feed...eggs will be tastier, healthier.
so, if i can find some decomposed granite, save some rain water, perhaps i can grow some avocados. and btw, can i buy some of those avocados from
pepe collin's ranch? that is, if i can find that road. i am planning to visit Guadalupe first chance i get and i want some of that stuff!
diana
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
We have an Avocado tree in the front yard also, a dwarf variety.No MG for that one, but it has not flowered/bore fruit yet either!It's about three,
four years old.I'm waiting, waiting, wanting to make guacamole!!
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My avocado tree was nine years old before it had any fruit. Then none the following year and now I have blooms and fruit every year. The tree is now
13 years old! You can see a photo of it early in this thread, from July 2008.
Bob H
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Yeah Bob, I have been told that it takes 6 to 8 yrs for an Avo tree to bear fruit.Ours is about a foot taller and three times as wide as yours in the
pic.Anyone have knowledge of the Dwarf varieties?Patience is a virtue with theses guys! And thank you dianaji, for the U2U and info.It all makes
perfect sense.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Jorge
can grow in Baja, but there is no bigger challenge to either hobby gardeners or professional growers in Baja.
As stated by others, avocados cannot toleate salt. Almost all irrigation water in Baja is too "salty" to successfully grow avocados for fruit
production. Really doesn't matter how close you are to the ocean, the limestone formations which hold most Baja aquifers contribute plenty of
precipatates to the irrigation water and keep avocados from thriving.
However, if you have the right conditions, good water, decent soil and frost free it can be done.
The best exmple of avocado success I have seen in all of Baja is on Pepe Collins ranch on the western slopes of Valle de Guadalupe. Pepe passed away
some years ago, but his family still grows citrus and avocados on the ranch.
It is located on the road from Guadalupe to San Jose de la Zorra which continues on to La Mision. It is the ranch property right before the cattle
guard at the summit of the vally before you descend into the ejido which belongs to the folks at San Jose de la Zorra.
They have foothill property with nice air drainage, so the frost is light, the soil is mostly decomposed granite and loam and they have very good well
water, not much, but with ingenious management it is enough to grow a very impressive orchard.
Ah, the Miracle Gro vs "organic" debate. Suffice it to say real health comes from that which we are just beginning to understand, micro nutrients,
free radicals, oxidants, anti oxidants, bacterial action etc...Real taste comes from the earth, dirt, in which the plants we use for food are grown.
If you miss the old southern California take that road from Guadalupe to La Mision. It is a glimpse back in time. |
John so hoped he could win the challenge in Bahia Asuncion---The Avocado grove he grew up with was in Camirillo, California, and the conditions you
describe sound a lot like Fallbrook, CA where avocados thrive.
Our water in Bahia Asuncion comes from wells near Vizcaino and are probably just as you describe. I know I took a big driink of it one day (by
mistake) and it sure tasted like it was full of all kinds of minerals.
I love your description of "real taste"and healthful things from natural conditions---you could also add it also produces more simple beauty ---
something that is lost in flowers grown with lots of miracle grow. IMHO, nothing prettier than an old-fashion simple natural grown rose, hibiscus,
etc.
Don't worry Barb, we will still cheer you on and hope for the best.
Diane
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