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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rogerj1
Great example of the beauty bias. Attractive people are considered to be smarter than unattractive people. Another example, attractive food tastes
better than unattractive food. Those Mexican pastries always look so good but I'm not a big fan of how they taste. |
beauty doesn't = smart calling it like i sees it.....
[Edited on 12-25-2008 by woody in ob]
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Pompano
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Tongue in cheek formula:
Smart = Whoa!
From morning coffee with conservative neighbor, Stan:
'We're all gonna need more than a spoonful of sugar to make this medicine go down! I'm ordering a tub.'
p.s. Tony, am I destined for stoning by SF mob? 
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
It was reported on Mexican tv news that she didn't know her boyfriend was in the cartel. HA----- |
That's really funny....like OJ saying he didn't know he was doing anything wrong.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
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Amazing...Gorgeous....Nancy Pelosi has that much sought after Michael Jackson nose. There's just no end to what hard earned money can buy.
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Eugenio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by stanburn
You guys are slipping in the race to be the first to post these kinds of stories. It wasn't until almost 1:30! |
Actually we're not first by a longshot - this story made headlines in every major newspaper in Mexico before it appeared here.
Things just keep getting stranger - seems the ex-girl friend of "El Chapo" was found dead in the trunk of a car with zs carved and painted into her.
El Chapo is head of the Sinaloa cartel - same as the guys who were caught with Miss Sinaloa. Don't blame me - it's La Reforma's fault:
Ejecutan a ex de 'El Chapo'
TLALNEPANTLA.- La mujer ejecutada localizada el 17 de diciembre en la cajuela de un auto en Ecatepec resultó ser ex pareja sentimental del líder del
Cártel de Sinaloa, R.
La Procuraduría mexiquense informó que el cadáver fue identificado como Zulema Yulia Hernández.
Según el acta EM/AMOD/II/5409/2008, la mujer estaba envuelta en un cobertor verde, atado con cinta canela y junto al cadáver de un hombre.
"Ambos cuerpos presentan impacto de bala en la cabeza . La mujer presenta marcada la letra "Z" en distintas partes del cuerpo.
"Las letras fueron marcadas con objetos punzocortantes, así como con pintura del color negro en los glúteos, espalda, ambos senos y abdomen", refiere
el documento al que tuvo acceso REFORMA.
Zulema conoció a "El Chapo" en 1997 en el penal de Puente Grande, Jalisco, donde ambos estaban recluidos.
Man....
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fdt
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A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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vandenberg
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Lock her up with the male population and she should be able to earn her keep.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Some people just never have enough do they!
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Ken Cooke
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I was reading today in the LA Times about how drugs have been cultivated in the hills west of the Copper Canyon for centuries within the state of
Sinaloa. What I gathered from the article is that things were relatively stable under the PRI until several years ago.
"In Sinaloa, Drug Trade has infiltrated every corner of life."
'Narcos' have made their way into government, business and culture in this Pacific state, where kids want to grow up to be traffickers.
By Tracy Wilkinson
December 28, 2008
Reporting from Culiacan, Mexico -- Yudit del Rincon, a 44-year-old lawmaker, went before the state legislature this year with a proposition: Let's
require lawmakers to take drug tests to prove they are clean.
Her colleagues greeted the idea with applause. Then she sprang a surprise on them: Two lab technicians waited in the audience to administer drug tests
to every state lawmaker. We should set the example, she said.
They nearly trampled one another in the stampede to the door, Del Rincon recalled.
Del Rincon wasn't all that shocked. She was born and bred here in the Pacific Coast state of Sinaloa, home of the drug racket's top leaders, its most
talented impresarios and some of its dirtiest government and police officials.
Swaths of Sinaloa periodically become no-go zones for outsiders; the central government abdicated control long ago. By one estimate, 32 towns are run
by gangsters.
In Culiacan, the capital, casinos outnumber libraries, and dealerships for yachts and Hummers cater to the inexplicably wealthy.
This is where narco folklore started, with songs and icons that pay homage to gangsters, and where children want to grow up to be traffickers. How
Sinaloa confronts its own divided soul offers insight on where the drug war may be going for Mexico, where more than 5,000 people have been killed in
drug-related violence this year.
"The monster has lost all proportion," said Del Rincon, who is a member of the conservative National Action Party.
A spunky woman with large eyes and hands that seem to be in constant motion, Del Rincon scans other tables at cafes where she meets people, making
sure she knows who is within earshot; she lowers her voice when she names names. Her husband and closest confidant keeps tabs on her whereabouts
throughout each day.
Such are the risks of speaking out.
"The narcos have networks meshed into the fabric of business, culture, politics -- every corner of life."
Drug crops
Poppies and marijuana have been cultivated in the mountains of Sinaloa since the late 19th century. For decades, Mexican farmers harvested the crops,
and entire dynasties of families dedicated themselves to the trade.
Except for one brutal crackdown in the 1970s, successive governments accommodated the drug trade, even as Mexico became a staging ground for Colombian
cocaine headed to its biggest market, the United States.
Back then, one party ruled Mexico. The Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, controlled everything from the smallest of peasant groups to the
presidency.
"The state was the referee, and it imposed the rules of the game on the traffickers," Sinaloa-born historian Luis Astorga said. "The world of the
politicians and the world of the traffickers contained and protected each other simultaneously."
Slowly, the monopoly started to crack. Parties other than the PRI began to win elections, here and across the nation. Different faces joined regional
legislatures, while the PRI struggled to hold on. Del Rincon's PAN won the mayoralty of Culiacan and other posts across Sinaloa.
Finally, the PRI lost the presidency in 2000.
Political pluralism in Mexico may have made room for more firebrands like Del Rincon, but it also fed a free-for-all among trafficking gangs, which
began to splinter and compete.
"The state was no longer the referee, and so the traffickers had to referee among themselves," Astorga said. And that was not going to be a
well-mannered process.
In Culiacan, the capital, casinos outnumber libraries, and dealerships for yachts and Hummers cater to the inexplicably wealthy.
This is where narco folklore started, with songs and icons that pay homage to gangsters, and where children want to grow up to be traffickers. How
Sinaloa confronts its own divided soul offers insight on where the drug war may be going for Mexico, where more than 5,000 people have been killed in
drug-related violence this year.
"The monster has lost all proportion," said Del Rincon, who is a member of the conservative National Action Party.
A spunky woman with large eyes and hands that seem to be in constant motion, Del Rincon scans other tables at cafes where she meets people, making
sure she knows who is within earshot; she lowers her voice when she names names. Her husband and closest confidant keeps tabs on her whereabouts
throughout each day.
Such are the risks of speaking out.
"The narcos have networks meshed into the fabric of business, culture, politics -- every corner of life."
Drug crops
Poppies and marijuana have been cultivated in the mountains of Sinaloa since the late 19th century. For decades, Mexican farmers harvested the crops,
and entire dynasties of families dedicated themselves to the trade.
Except for one brutal crackdown in the 1970s, successive governments accommodated the drug trade, even as Mexico became a staging ground for Colombian
cocaine headed to its biggest market, the United States.
Back then, one party ruled Mexico. The Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, controlled everything from the smallest of peasant groups to the
presidency.
"The state was the referee, and it imposed the rules of the game on the traffickers," Sinaloa-born historian Luis Astorga said. "The world of the
politicians and the world of the traffickers contained and protected each other simultaneously."
Slowly, the monopoly started to crack. Parties other than the PRI began to win elections, here and across the nation. Different faces joined regional
legislatures, while the PRI struggled to hold on. Del Rincon's PAN won the mayoralty of Culiacan and other posts across Sinaloa.
Finally, the PRI lost the presidency in 2000.
Political pluralism in Mexico may have made room for more firebrands like Del Rincon, but it also fed a free-for-all among trafficking gangs, which
began to splinter and compete.
"The state was no longer the referee, and so the traffickers had to referee among themselves," Astorga said. And that was not going to be a
well-mannered process.
Police at risk
Pedro Rodriguez, 41, has been a police officer for half his life in one of the deadliest places on the planet for cops. He got into law enforcement
straight out of the army. He thought the discipline he admired in the military would continue in the Sinaloa police force. And he liked the authority
that a policeman's uniform gave him.
It all changed several years ago, he said.
"It used to be, as a uniformed police officer, I could raise my hand in the road and stop an 18-wheeler," Rodriguez said. "Today the truck would run
right over me."
More than 100 police officers have been killed in Sinaloa this year, most of them gunned down. Countless others have fled, or taken bribes and changed
sides. As much as 70% of the local police force has come under the sway of traffickers, by some estimates.
It is widely believed here that many legislators and other politicians are elected with the help of narcotics money. The exchange: veto power over the
naming of top police commanders.
Rodriguez knows he can be betrayed by a corrupt fellow officer. So, he says a prayer every day before he leaves the modest home where he lives with
his wife and four children. He works in a city that can seem normal on the surface, its streets clogged with traffic, office workers going to lunch.
Then those same streets turn into a shooting gallery. Gunmen in dark-windowed SUVs open fire on rivals or cops, day or night. Five federal and state
policemen were killed in a hail of bullets on Culiacan's prominent Emiliano Zapata Boulevard one recent night. The truck with their bloodied corpses
came to rest outside a busy casino under blue and purple neon lights and fake palm trees. It was the third time in recent weeks that an entire squad
of agents was wiped out in an ambush. No one is ever arrested; shootings, even of cops, are hardly investigated.
"Twenty years ago we knew of the handful of big mafia dons, but they were discreet," Rodriguez said. "Today we are dealing with the apprentices, who
want to get rich very fast, who commit enormous excesses, who want to be noticed."
That chaos might make some nostalgic for the old days, when a few Sinaloa dynasties dominated the drug trade, as they had for generations. Amado
Carrillo Fuentes branched out from Sinaloa into Chihuahua in the 1980s and '90s and ran the Juarez drug network that made him one of the richest men
on the planet, owner of a fleet of jets and vast real estate holdings the world over.
As the centralized system broke down, the Sinaloans met a new challenge: the Gulf cartel.
Based in the state of Tamaulipas, the Gulf gang was reputed to have ties with, and the protection of, Raul Salinas de Gortari, the brother of former
Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari. After the arrest of its leader, Osiel Card##as, the Gulf cartel became the first of the drug mafias to
introduce a paramilitary army.
The narcotics ring recruited from Mexican and Guatemalan army special forces and formed the Zetas, ruthless hit men. The Zetas left one of their
earliest calling cards in the town of Uruapan in Michoacan state in September 2006, when they tossed five severed heads onto the floor of a dance
hall.
The Sinaloans in turn beefed up their security, and the Zetas on the other side trained additional recruits. Now several hundred, most between 17 and
35 years old, operate as mercenaries, investigators say.
"Each cartel needs its enforcement, its protection, its muscle, and that dynamic has been increasing exponentially in the last two years," a senior
U.S. law enforcement official said. "And now one side has to outdo the other."
Crackdown
When Felipe Calderon took office two years ago, violence had already begun to surge. Calderon deployed the army days after his inauguration. The
president, according to aides, was genuinely alarmed by the waves if killings sweeping the nation and the ability of traffickers to infiltrate
politics and possibly even seek elected posts.
Even among Calderon's supporters, however, there are complaints that the president underestimated the scope of the problem, dispatched an inadequately
prepared army and is not fighting on the political and economic fronts. Consequently, the backlash has been bloodier than anticipated.
With plenty of money, the traffickers continue to protect themselves and buy their way into governments, says Edgardo Buscaglia, an expert on
organized crime who advises Mexico's Congress.
In the latest and potentially most explosive scandal, Sinaloan traffickers allegedly bought off senior antidrug officials in far-off Mexico City,
acquiring inside information on Calderon's ground war against smugglers.
Buscaglia warns against the "Afghanistan-ization" of Mexico, in which rival kingpins gradually take over different states.
"If one criminal organization takes over one state, and another criminal organization takes another, then you have the ingredients of civil war,"
Buscaglia said. Mexico is not there yet, Buscaglia said, but that breakdown looms as a real danger.
Buscaglia believes traffickers already control 8% of Mexico's municipalities, or about 200 cities and towns, based on his analysis of data such as
arrest warrants issued for police, army detentions of elected officials, and the presence of sanctioned criminal activity such as drug sales and
prostitution.
Leading the pack was the state of Sinaloa, with 32.
Jesus Vizcarra Calderon, the mayor of Culiacan, felt compelled late last year to deny rumors that his considerable fortune came from Sinaloan
traffickers. Vizcarra has been tapped by the governor of Sinaloa to be the PRI's candidate in next year's gubernatorial elections.
Sinaloa state legislator Oscar Felix Ochoa also denied criminal activity after his three brothers were arrested in June, allegedly holding nearly 40
pounds of cocaine, weapons and cash. At the same time, the army discovered a safe house harboring gunmen implicated in the slaying of federal police,
with more than $5 million stashed in a strongbox. The house had belonged to Felix Ochoa, the army said.
Del Rincon, the crusading legislator, used to lead the charge against Felix Ochoa. One day, someone sent a funeral wreath to her home with her name on
it.
She is more careful these days about attacking individuals, but she is more determined than ever to challenge a doped-up status quo.
"All society is contaminated," she said. "We are being held hostage. . . . If we remain silent, where will we end up?"
After a lifetime struggling to keep her family safe from traffickers, Del Rincon was dismayed when her son started dressing like the buchones -- the
young wannabes who emulate traffickers.
"If we don't dress like this, the girls won't even look at us," she recalled her son saying.
"It is fashionable to be a narco," Del Rincon said, shaking her head. "It's status."
In the cemeteries of Sinaloa, many members of the new generation rest, having met premature death. Families spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to
erect mausoleums that adulate the life that put their kin in their graves. The crypts are built with imported Italian marble, mosaics, crystal
chandeliers, Corinthian columns and French doors.
In one, "Lupito" rests in peace with his AK-47; "Beta," "Payan" and dozens more take their journey to the afterlife amid statues of the Virgin Mary,
and accompanied by bottles of tequila, cans of Tecate beer and packs of Marlboros.
The average age of these men, all buried in the last few months, is less than 25 years.
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Bajafun777
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OK, I get it Miss Sinaloa had some real choices here in knowing everything and then being able to just say buzz off, right?? Maybe she was in fact
put into the pagent by the Cartel but do any of us think she really had a say in what she would or would not do?? Do any of us think her family would
be just as dead as she would be if she said no?? Now, looking at her picture do any of us really think she had to pay the judges of the pagent to
win, I do not think soooooooooooooooo!!! Too bad she is just a young thing trying her best to climb out of the proverty that would put her in just as
dangeroug situations, however she just got channeled into this way probably at the Sinaloa's Cartel offer of which she could not refuse and no telling
what other offers she had to go through. Sometimes through the worse of times comes a better world less dangerous, I will not judge her as if put in
similar situations maybe a few of us would do as Miss Sinaloa has been forced to do, yes I said forced as Cartel's do not ask!! Women in Mexico are
being killed left and right in some areas and nobody is even trying to find the dirty rotten criminals. However, on a brighter kind focus, I am sure
there are a few Nomads that would help steer her in another path of a simpler safer way of life and all she would have to do is be kind, gentle,
understanding, and play "Miss Sinaloa" by modeling all day long  Later, bajafun777
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Eugenio
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You raise some good points Bajafun - in fact you made me sit back and think about this one.
There is a huge diffence in this situation with Miss Sinaloa - and it's what made this situation newsworthy: Miss Zuñiga wasn't simply a nice looking
lady that hung around narcos. She was a role model for thousands of kids in Sinaloa and Mexico. And she actively sought that role of role model to
children who will have to make the same decision she did.
So - imho - not only is she not a victim - she a victimizer. Aand a cynical one at that.
But as usual I reserve the option of changing my mind as more information comes out about her situation.
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Ken Cooke
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Del Rincon stated that her own son dressed as a trafficante because if he didn't, women wouldn't pay attention to him.
"All society is contaminated," she said. "We are being held hostage. . . . If we remain silent, where will we end up?"
After a lifetime struggling to keep her family safe from traffickers, Del Rincon was dismayed when her son started dressing like the buchones -- the
young wannabes who emulate traffickers.
"If we don't dress like this, the girls won't even look at us," she recalled her son saying.
"It is fashionable to be a narco," Del Rincon said, shaking her head. "It's status."
[Edited on 12-29-2008 by Ken Cooke]
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Bajafun777
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Eugenio, I agree with what you bring out also in that Miss Sinaloa did and probably still does cause younger girls to want to be like her. She
screwed up but again when you are trying to get out of where you are in the low end of the poverty stick once a door opens for you the rush to it
maybe your big downfall. Miss Sinaloa wanted to be a beauty queen and did in fact start out slow and then ran up the ladder with what appears to be
the Cartel's help. I give her the benefit of the doubt in maybe not knowing that her boyfriend was involved in the Cartel crime wave at first but she
had to know very fast once involved with him so she was playing with fire. Her problem is like many young pretty girls in Mexico once they get
involved with these criminals their choice of free will is no more no more. A Cartel member is not going to let anyone they have let others know they
are seeing blow them off without taking action towards that female. Death, gang rape, and murder can follow with such animals once they have nothing
to gain with the female they thought they owned and had total control of. I do believe she has to answer for his involvement but I do not think she
is going to name names as she wants her family to continue living as well as herself. I think she should be used to do advertisements on radio and
television letting these young girls know how Cartel Narcos only ruin lives not make them the dream they are seeking. She should also have to express
what the real dangers are by being involved in these Cartel members ownership. Too bad as she is very pretty, had been outspoken for bringing out
fairness and stopping mistreatment of women in Mexico, was young dumb looking for fun and just ruined her fame and possibly her future by this arrest.
I hope she gets another chance and gets away from these lowlifes that she got involved in. If we give these sport heroes and movie stars here
chances after chances and if known the types of people they hang around with could also equal some of these Cartel members, then this young woman
should be given a chance to redo her life mistake and hope she turns it around. I also hope she gets back into doing what she got away from helping
women in Mexico stand-up for themselves in stopping the abuse, murders, and mistreatment in general of women. Now, we will see what a Judge does
with her as her beauty will help her in the Mexico justice system and the Cartel if the member is as high ranking as some say will take care of the
money or blood of the Judge that does not make the sentence small. Later------- bajafun777
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