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Narco turf war - myth, reality, or ?
Juarez murders shine light on an emerging 'Military Cartel'
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More on Calderon "backing" Guzman cartel
Here again is mentioned how one side somehow manages to escape the "turf wars" relatively unscathed.
Zapatista Subcomandante Marcos speaks on the Drug War
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More "speculation". Not a shred of evidence.
Like the Marcos statement: "The Mexican government, which received assistance from US experts during the investigation, has ruled the crash an
accident due to pilot error, but many Mexicans believe a drug cartel took down the plane."
Who is Marcos to determine what "many Mexicans think"? How did he determine this?
Or the statement: "It becomes more and more clear that it's organized crime that directs the state's forces."
Well, yes, as a government, you have to react to what organized crime is doing. No evidence that the government is directing the cartels or favoring
one in any of Marcos' statement.
Sorry, duckboy. I'm crying fowl. Where's the beef?
Viva Calderon. Taking it to the cartels the only way they understand.
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They were just too close to the jumbo jet ahead of them and lost their lift in the turbulance on approach.
Mexicans understand and know how to deal with conspiracy theory- aerodynamics... not so much.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Nicely said.
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Sub-Comandante Marcos is a joke. He started with a good cause, made some headlines and gained some international support. Then he became self centered
and lost focus. Now, his followers and supporters have abandoned him as he has not done any substantial work for the Indians and/or peasants he was
supposed to be fighting for.
Marcos came around La Paz about a year ago. Walked around El Centenario, followed by about 25 people, complained about "Gringos" taking ejido land
away from Mexicans. Lots of BS.
I don't give him the moral authority to say much of Calderon's work..
Aripes
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and Baja tambien
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LOSARIPES
Sub-Comandante Marcos is a joke. He started with a good cause, made some headlines and gained some international support. Then he became self centered
and lost focus. Now, his followers and supporters have abandoned him as he has not done any substantial work for the Indians and/or peasants he was
supposed to be fighting for.
Marcos came around La Paz about a year ago. Walked around El Centenario, followed by about 25 people, complained about "Gringos" taking ejido land
away from Mexicans. Lots of BS.
I don't give him the moral authority to say much of Calderon's work.. |
..you were expecting Mother Theresa?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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I think it's testament to the health of democracy and freedom in Mexico that Marcos is able to make such proclamations, let alone walk around freely.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
More "speculation". Not a shred of evidence........... blah blah .......
Sorry, duckboy. I'm crying fowl. Where's the beef?
Viva Calderon. Taking it to the cartels the only way they understand. |
Since when has the Mexican gov and system been a p****** of virtue and honesty ?
Did I miss all corruption being cleaned up ?
Do you really want examples of just how stinking corrupt the country has been ...... and still is ?
"Not a shred of evidence" ? What specifically do you want ???
An official admission ? "Yes, we confess. We're guilty as hell. " 
That usually in Hollywood when the big boys come clean. Get real. 
I suppose you also believe that WMDs still exist in Iraq.
Do you always blindly accept what the officials & their cheerleader corporate media tell us ? There does exist other sources of info besides them.
If you really must have a mainstream source, try this for a little something:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7815067.stm
A grenade was also thrown which exploded in an empty workshop.
A note was left nearby, reading "Stop just reporting on us, report on the narco's political leaders"
- an apparent reference to the Mexican government.
Quack quack to you and your flock.  
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pato
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
More "speculation". Not a shred of evidence........... blah blah .......
Sorry, duckboy. I'm crying fowl. Where's the beef?
Viva Calderon. Taking it to the cartels the only way they understand. |
Since when has the Mexican gov and system been a p****** of virtue and honesty ?
Did I miss all corruption being cleaned up ?
Do you really want examples of just how stinking corrupt the country has been ...... and still is ?
"Not a shred of evidence" ? What specifically do you want ???
An official admission ? "Yes, we confess. We're guilty as hell. "
That usually in Hollywood when the big boys come clean. Get real.
I suppose you also believe that WMDs still exist in Iraq.
Do you always blindly accept what the officials & their cheerleader corporate media tell us ? There does exist other sources of info besides them.
If you really must have a mainstream source, try this for a little something:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7815067.stm
A grenade was also thrown which exploded in an empty workshop.
A note was left nearby, reading "Stop just reporting on us, report on the narco's political leaders"
- an apparent reference to the Mexican government.
Quack quack to you and your flock. |
The problem with the current situation is there is no starting point to correct it. The police are uneducated and corrupt, the prosecutors are
educated and corupt, the judges are educated rich and corrupt, and the military commanders are richer- partially educated... but still corrupt. Even
the presidents inner-circle security chief was found to be corrupt.
So where do you start?
... and where is Rudy Guilliani when you need him? Didn't he collect a few million for consulting for the Mexican gov't a few years back?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I think it's testament to the health of democracy and freedom in Mexico that Marcos is able to make such proclamations, let alone walk around freely.
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Healthy democracies have armed revolts. Happens all the time.
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Calderon's gangster buddies
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
More "speculation". Not a shred of evidence.
Like the Marcos statement: "The Mexican government, which received assistance from US experts during the investigation, has ruled the crash an
accident due to pilot error, but many Mexicans believe a drug cartel took down the plane."
Who is Marcos to determine what "many Mexicans think"? How did he determine this?
Or the statement: "It becomes more and more clear that it's organized crime that directs the state's forces."
Well, yes, as a government, you have to react to what organized crime is doing. No evidence that the government is directing the cartels or
favoring one in any of Marcos' statement.
Sorry, duckboy. I'm crying fowl. Where's the beef?
Viva Calderon. Taking it to the cartels the only way they understand. |
Gosh, I'm not sure if I should even respond to you or where to begin. But since you've a few giggling followers, perhaps it will make it more
worthwhile. I thought it also a good thing to highlight a few items you stated.
The following post should rightfully sit in the news forum
(since fact is fact whether or not they support one's political leanings):
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=36616
or go here:
Top Mexico cops charged with favoring drug cartel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8320422
Your hammering upon Marcos' credibility doesn't do a whole lotta good here. He is far from the only one saying these things.
"Viva Calderon" ? "Taking it to the cartels ......" ??
Hell-lo-O KookyHooky badboy. Sorry to break the news to you, but he is the cartel.
A few small excerpts:
The U.S. praises Calderon for rooting out corruption at the top. But critics say the arrests reveal nothing more than a
timeworn government tactic of protecting one cartel and cracking down on others.
"If there is anything worse than a corrupt and ill-equipped cop, it is a corrupt and well-equipped cop," said criminal justice expert Jorge Chabat,
who studies the drug trade.
Agents who conduct raids have long suspected Mexican government ties to Sinaloa, and rival drug gangs have advertised the alleged connection in
banners hung from freeways. While raids against the rival Gulf cartel have netted suspects, those against Sinaloa almost always came up empty or
worse, said Agent Oscar Granados Salero of the Federal Investigative Agency, Mexico's equivalent of the FBI.
"Whenever we were trying to serve arrest warrants, they were already waiting for us, and a lot of colleagues lost their lives that
way," Salero said.
Now then KookyHooky, are you still proud of your boy Calderon for setting up his own officers to be gunned down ? My God, do you really want to attach
your hopes to this guy ?
And btw, licking the boots or brown-nosing persons in authority may win you points in some circles, but too often that type of behavior just goes to
show others what some people are made of.
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I choose not to keep my head in the sand although it is tempting at times. After a family member was murdered in Guerrero last summer I found several
sources online that described the murder and this was one of them (Spanish):
http://narcotraficoenmexico.blogspot.com/
its updated daily and it also mentioned the shootings at the police station in la mision while the mainstream TV Azteca (the channel that comes in
best at my place, I don't do sky) did not. They mentioned a 12 year old who called in a fake bomb threat in Ensenada but never mentioned the police
station. That news I found in nomads first then later on the above blog. From what I can read after following since early August, is that this
source is simply reporting whats going on and publishing it, bloody gruesome photos and all. It seems pretty unbiased.
I don't care to discount any source or opinion but I do appreciate the information so that I can make informed decisions that affect my future. I
rather like subcomadante Marcos he got in over his head and he's even admitted it. Theres a shortage of charismatic leaders with an education in
Chiapas where the EZLN started out. I've often thought of going back to southern Guerrero where my spouse is from and teaching in the campo where
education is seriously lacking and families are split apart due to the emigration they feel obligated to do, but the violence there keeps me from
doing this. Once my young ones are grown up I will probably go then.
I realize that you are passionate on this subject and I share that passion in discussions among friends and family on the topic, but try and tone down
the attitude. You're brand new in here but you can only be a crusty old fart only after you're racked up at least 500 posts.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by flyfishinPam........ You're brand new in here but you can only be a crusty old fart only after you're racked up at
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Thanks for your concern and advice. Point taken. I'll enroll in a forum course for quips and giggles to boost my numbers !
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