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Anti-drug effort readied at U.S.-Mexico border
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29822470
Obama plans to send agents and equipment to help in fight on drug cartels.
By Spencer S. Hsu and Mary Beth Sheridan
updated 2:49 a.m. PT, Sun., March. 22, 2009
President Obama is finalizing plans to move federal agents, equipment and other resources to the border with Mexico to support Mexican President
Felipe Calderón's campaign against violent drug cartels, according to U.S. security officials.
In Obama's first major domestic security initiative, administration officials are expected to announce as early as this week a crackdown on the supply
of weapons and cash moving from the United States into Mexico that helps sustain that country's narco-traffickers, officials said.
The announcement sets the stage for Mexico City visits by three Cabinet members, beginning Wednesday with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
and followed next week by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
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Napolitano, designated by Obama to convene a multi-agency security plan for the border, said the government is preparing plans to send more agents and
intensify its investigation and prosecution of cartel-related activity in the United States. In addition, she said, the government may expand efforts
to trace the sources of guns that move from the United States into Mexico.
To combat the southbound flow of guns, ammunition and grenades at border checkpoints, the government may deploy new equipment, such as scales to weigh
vehicles and automated license-plate readers linked to databases, as well as other surveillance technology, she said.
Government officials are discussing how to increase intelligence sharing and military cooperation with Mexico, following a visit there this month by
Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And the administration could employ tools used to track terrorist financing to follow the
flow of funds within the estimated $65 billion North American drug trade. Funds -- estimated at $18 billion to $39 billion a year -- move through wire
transfers as well as cash smuggled into Mexico in planes and vehicles and by human "mules."
Sharp increase in killings
Obama, who plans to visit Mexico in mid-April and has said he will have a "comprehensive policy" on border security in place within months, has
elevated to the top of the agenda a subject that did not receive significant attention in the presidential campaign. His focus on Mexico follows a
sharp increase in drug-related killings in Mexican cities along the border, prompting fears in the United States of destabilization in the populous
neighbor. Since the beginning of 2008, more than 7,200 people have died in drug-related violence, according to Mexican authorities.
Andrew Selee, director of the Mexico Institute at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, said Obama's security and foreign policy aides
have spent the past two months reordering their priorities as "snowballing" concern in Congress pushed Mexico "to the front burner" alongside the
economy and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Obama's efforts mark a shift from the homeland security priorities of the Bush administration, targeted mainly at the threat of Islamist terrorists
overseas and illegal immigration at home. While the new president has vowed to maintain counter-terrorism efforts, the addition of fighting Mexican
drug trafficking as well human smuggling networks represents a new emphasis.
While a Pentagon study in November concluded that the sudden collapses of Mexico and Pakistan into failed states "bear consideration" as potential
worst-case threats over 25 years, several senior U.S. intelligence officials disputed that analysis and said they do not believe the cartels will
deliberately target U.S. government personnel, interests or civilians in the United States in the near-term.
"The ongoing violence is a concern, but not a national security threat to the United States," said Mike Hammer, spokesman for the National Security
Council, who said it has largely resulted from Calderón's "determined and courageous" effort to dismantle the cartels.
Spillover violence in the United States is primarily cartel-on-cartel crime, such as kidnappings, Napolitano said. Phoenix, for example, reported 700
kidnappings in the past two years, mostly as human smugglers extorted fees from their clients.
Still, the long-term national security threat both in the United States and in Mexico would be real if Mexican authorities are forced to resume a de
facto coexistence with narco-traffickers. Intelligence analysts argue that freedom for transnational crime organizations to operate in large parts of
the country could undo Mexico's progress toward democratization and open markets, and erode U.S. influence.
To an extent, Calderón's campaign against traffickers has struggled because, as Mexico has become more democratic, the police and judicial apparatus
of the old authoritarian system has crumbled -- but has yet to be replaced by a professional law-enforcement system.
"This is what people miss when they analyze Mexico. Drug trafficking feeds on a country that has a very precarious, if not nonexistent, rule of law,"
said Denise Dresser, a Mexican political scientist.
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The U.S. anti-smuggling effort may make only a dent in the southbound flow of cash and weapons, but could ease the way for further U.S.-Mexican
cooperation and help Calderón mobilize public support, said Vanda Felbab-Brown, a professor of security studies at Georgetown University and a
Brookings Institution fellow.
A wave of violence in Mexico last year prompted urgent calls by Calderón for U.S. government action, aimed in part to bolster his weakened political
standing ahead of crucial legislative elections in July, analysts say. At the same time, dire reports in the U.S. news media whipped up concern among
key lawmakers here.
New degrees of savagery
Bloodletting has taken on new degrees of savagery since Calderón began his assault against the cartels two years ago. The cartels beheaded about 200
people last year, staged grenade attacks in public places and conducted hours-long firefights in border cities.
Calderón's administration has pressed officials in Washington to do more to target U.S. demand for drugs and step up the delivery of promised
assistance.
Last year the Bush administration pushed through Congress the Merida Initiative, a three-year, $1.4 billion counter-trafficking aid package for Mexico
and Central America that includes training, military hardware, scanning technology and security database improvements. But Congress has approved only
$300 million of the $450 million sought for Mexico in 2009, and delivery of some key equipment, helicopters and surveillance aircraft is not expected
until 2011 at the earliest, officials say.
Meanwhile, Congress has held eight hearings on the issue under pressure from those on the right who seek to limit immigration and engagement with
Mexico and those on the left who want to decriminalize drugs and tighten gun-control laws. The subject presents a test and an opportunity for Obama
officials.
"A Democratic administration more than a Republican administration is going to be sensitive to any notion that it is not serious about a growing
national security issue," said Ted Galen Carpenter, vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute.
On the other hand, he added, "I don't think the administration wants to play into the hands of those who take a rather xenophobic stance with regard
to immigration."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
To combat the southbound flow of guns, ammunition and grenades at border checkpoints, the government may deploy new equipment, such as scales to weigh
vehicles and automated license-plate readers linked to databases, as well as other surveillance technology, she said.
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Now...there's a real good idea. Of course, those scales will have to be just a bit smarter than the rest, being able to differentiate between the
weight of a box of grenades and a full tank of gas.
I'm starting to feel better about the intelligent effort our new administration is bringing to the fight.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
To combat the southbound flow of guns, ammunition and grenades at border checkpoints, the government may deploy new equipment, such as scales to weigh
vehicles and automated license-plate readers linked to databases, as well as other surveillance technology, she said.
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Now...there's a real good idea. Of course, those scales will have to be just a bit smarter than the rest, being able to differentiate between the
weight of a box of grenades and a full tank of gas.
I'm starting to feel better about the intelligent effort our new administration is bringing to the fight. |
I concur Dennis
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Southbound grenades????
To combat the southbound flow of.........grenades at border checkpoints..............
I read an article a few weeks ago that indicated the grenades used in several of the incidents were traced back to China.....who supplies grenades to
the Mexican military.
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No matter what I like the idea.....
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Is it a secret, or what?
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
"This is what people miss when they analyze Mexico. Drug trafficking feeds on a country that has a very precarious, if not nonexistent, rule of law,"
said Denise Dresser, a Mexican political scientist.
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How, the flock, could you miss that?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
"This is what people miss when they analyze Mexico. Drug trafficking feeds on a country that has a very precarious, if not nonexistent, rule of law,"
said Denise Dresser, a Mexican political scientist.
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How, the flock, could you miss that? |
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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#1- Regardless of reports about grenades from china being identified, the current U.S. administration concedes that the vast majority of weapons in
the hands of the cartels is coming from here.
#2- Mexico just recently extricated itself from decades of oligarchic rule by the PRI. There are going to be growing pains, people.
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so......lemme see here.
the US has an appetite for drugs=WE"RE BAD.
mexico has an appetite for weapons=WE"RE BAD.
i think i get it now....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
#1- Regardless of reports about grenades from china being identified, the current U.S. administration concedes that the vast majority of weapons in
the hands of the cartels is coming from here. |
And traced by lot number to those sold to the Mexican Army.
Be nice if they could plug their own leaks.......
And I wonder where the weapons NOT identified as headed south from the US are coming from....?????
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From my experience with things Made in China......they may "look" O.K. but seldom seems to work correctly (or for long).....
A box of hand grenades in the back of my truck as it hits potholes would not be a relaxing ride.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
so......lemme see here.
the US has an appetite for drugs=WE"RE BAD.
mexico has an appetite for weapons=WE"RE BAD.
i think i get it now.... |
Woody,
I don't think it is a matter of good or bad, but rather, simply determining causes, effects, and methods to change the increasingly deteriorating
situation.
Not that this is what you did or even meant, but ~ I think a lot of Nomad threads get detoured off topic when they become overrun with value
judgements, fault and blame, and name calling and political posturing...
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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Right on djh...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
so......lemme see here.
the US has an appetite for drugs=WE"RE BAD.
mexico has an appetite for weapons=WE"RE BAD.
i think i get it now.... |
Woody,
I don't think it is a matter of good or bad, but rather, simply determining causes, effects, and methods to change the increasingly deteriorating
situation.
Not that this is what you did or even meant, but ~ I think a lot of Nomad threads get detoured off topic when they become overrun with value
judgements, fault and blame, and name calling and political posturing... |
It's not good or bad it's Mexico being stupid or more stupid. When people lack the ability to deal with their own problems they project them on to
others. They are out of ideas and their blaming the USA just stalls finding a solution without dinging their national pride.
Drug usage in the states won't be decreased by anything Mexico accuses, does or says. The right to bear arms won't be changing or going away anytime
soon either. So Mexico needs some fresh new ideas- not their standard blame-the-big bad imperialists up north game.
Now that their failures have crossed the border- it's our game now too and we will set the direction to finish it. Or not.
[Edited on 3-23-2009 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 3-23-2009 by Woooosh]
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U.S. Grenades ?
In all of my trips to "Guns R Us", Big 5 and elsewhere, I've missed the displays where they're selling Hand Grenades. Guess I wasn't looking close.
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Actually we had a law against the free marketing of military assault weapons to Americans. "The Hammer" made sure he made it go away because he had
the votes in congress to do it. He is now the Play Skool mallet having been thrown out of Washington for being a totally unethical sleazeball.
This week a parolee with a no bond warrant on his head and TWO easy-to-get (Thanks to the GOP) assault weapons butchered four Oakland police officers.
I have a hunch the turd wasn't a well trained militia, maybe he needed them for rabbit huntin' on the Outdoor Channel
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