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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Mexico needs to get serious in upgrading their oil fields and expanding them as well. Without doing so their second biggest source of foreign
currency is going to die a slow death. |
It's even more involved than that, Ken. The equipment is so archaic and worn out, it'll probably require foreign investment to rejuvinate it and
that's going to be a hard sell at home. Symbol of sovereignty, expropriation and all that stuff.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
In Mexico many more employees may seek unemployment, in fact any worker may quit their job and they may demand their unemployment payment for no
reason. In Mexico unemployment is far more significant and substantial with opportunity for abuse. In fact on my street, most workers quit for Summer,
every Summer in order to cash out their unemployment and relax. Why wouldn't they? |
And they wonder why Mexico's GNP is so low ....
They have a lousy work ethic ..... |
Here you go again, you just canīt seem to stop canīt you?
FYI, Mexico has the highest GDP per capita in Latin America. Now you might consider that bad if you compare it to the richest nations, but that would
be as unfair as saying an upper middle class or middle class family has poor income comparing it to a billionaire. Now as far as you work ethic
comment, you are again (what a surprise) flat wrong. Baja Sur workers (especially males) do have prehaps the lousiest work ethic in Mexico, wich is
not surprising to me since this place was just a quiet, relaxing, small town that was trusted into the schizo-materialistic world we all come from.
But the rest of Mexico is full of pretty good workers that are known for working hard, very hard for not much money. |
Have to raise the flag on this one .....
My experience in hireing mexicans in the US and in Baja is that they require one on one supervision otherwise they will do the easiest thing
regardless of whether it is the best and will leave you with a huge bill to restore their substandard and lazy work.
Mexico gov't lies about just about everything ...
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Mexico needs to get serious in upgrading their oil fields and expanding them as well. Without doing so their second biggest source of foreign
currency is going to die a slow death. |
It's even more involved than that, Ken. The equipment is so archaic and worn out, it'll probably require foreign investment to rejuvinate it and
that's going to be a hard sell at home. Symbol of sovereignty, expropriation and all that stuff. |
Dennis,
I do know and to say it's at crisis stage is not overstating it.
At the current production levels Mexico will have to stop EXPORTING IN 2012. Revenue from oil production has fallen 50% in the last year.
Ken
http://seekingalpha.com/article/144962-should-mexico-stop-ex...
[Edited on 7-3-2009 by tripledigitken]
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
In Mexico many more employees may seek unemployment, in fact any worker may quit their job and they may demand their unemployment payment for no
reason. In Mexico unemployment is far more significant and substantial with opportunity for abuse. In fact on my street, most workers quit for Summer,
every Summer in order to cash out their unemployment and relax. Why wouldn't they? |
And they wonder why Mexico's GNP is so low ....
They have a lousy work ethic ..... |
Here you go again, you just canīt seem to stop canīt you?
FYI, Mexico has the highest GDP per capita in Latin America. Now you might consider that bad if you compare it to the richest nations, but that would
be as unfair as saying an upper middle class or middle class family has poor income comparing it to a billionaire. Now as far as you work ethic
comment, you are again (what a surprise) flat wrong. Baja Sur workers (especially males) do have prehaps the lousiest work ethic in Mexico, wich is
not surprising to me since this place was just a quiet, relaxing, small town that was trusted into the schizo-materialistic world we all come from.
But the rest of Mexico is full of pretty good workers that are known for working hard, very hard for not much money. |
Have to raise the flag on this one .....
My experience in hireing mexicans in the US and in Baja is that they require one on one supervision otherwise they will do the easiest thing
regardless of whether it is the best and will leave you with a huge bill to restore their substandard and lazy work.
Mexico gov't lies about just about everything ... |
Move to Sweden then, and stop b-tching about everything like a little girl.
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A lot of good posts. My two centavos:
The USA unemployment numbers are bad, but still mask the the biggest component- the UNDERemployed. People who have had their pay and work schedules
hacked- but haven't been cut loose entirely yet. That is a huge number that is not counted.
The problem with depending on a cycle of unemployment is lack of health insurance. For most of us- one cancer or cardiac diagnosis could wipe us out
financially- but for health insurance. I have a self employed (has run his own company all his life) brother in law who needs two knee replacements
and is in pain every day (swears it's from a chemical he was exposed to in Vietnam). He has to wait for medicare to kick in four more years to be able
to afford the surgery. That sucks because by the time he gets his new knees he won't have as much time on the links to use them.
I do agree Mexicans will fare better than most in any ecomonic downturn- they are used to doing without, Ameircans just aren't. Mexicans enjoy what
they have while they have it and don't fret about things they can't control when it is gone.
JMHO
Lastly- the definition of poor. Most of us in Baja never see the poor people the numbers talk about. No one living in a solid walled house is poor.
No one driving the worst beater car is poor. The Mexicans who live hand to tortillas in flimsy cardboard shacks are the poor. And they are many.
And yes- I agree Mexicans are a little on the undermotivated side. But they get jerked around so much on both sides of the border that I don't blame
them.
[Edited on 7-3-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I have a self employed (has run his own company all his life) brother in law who needs two knee replacements and is in pain every day (swears it's
from a chemical he was exposed to in Vietnam). |
Never heard of chemical induced knee problems. Sounds as though the VA has never heard of them either. The days of denying Agent Orange damage are
pretty much over.
Sorry for the hijack but, I had to say it.
 Didn't think to ask....Were these chemicals he was exposed to externally
or perhaps something he took which made him think he could fly or something else?
[Edited on 7-3-2009 by DENNIS]
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One of the most common health problems among the "poor" in the USA is obesity.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I have a self employed (has run his own company all his life) brother in law who needs two knee replacements and is in pain every day (swears it's
from a chemical he was exposed to in Vietnam). |
Never heard of chemical induced knee problems. Sounds as though the VA has never heard of them either. The days of denying Agent Orange damage are
pretty much over.
Sorry for the hijack but, I had to say it.
Didn't think to ask....Were these chemicals he was exposed to externally
or perhaps something he took which made him think he could fly or something else?
[Edited on 7-3-2009 by DENNIS] |
He never been a complainer about anything. Came back with a silver star and never ever has brought it up. He just can't think of any other possible
cause for both knees to deteriorate. I don't think you'd get him anywhere's near a VA hospital- these guys were beat up pretty hard by that
expereince and the VA system itself back then. The ones that clung to it are the ones holding signs at intersections. (No fourth of July disrespect
intended)
[Edited on 7-3-2009 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
And the USA counts only *new* unemployment insurance applications which are limited to those who had a job and were fired without cause, not those who
are *actually* unemployed looking for work, either. USA's unemployed who want to work is substantially higher than reported. It's actually truly
unknown (though it could be known), yet reported daily as a totally false figure, how disingenuous is that? C'mon these types of articles and
discussions are like the pot calling the kettle black. |
That is just not true gnukid. The Department of Labor publishes six measures of unemployment, U1 through U6. The one you see in the newspapers is U3.
The six are:
U1: Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
U3: Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is
available for them.
U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
U6: U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but can not due to economic reasons
Here is all six of them:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
The range is 5.1% to 16.5%. You could do yourself a big favor by spending a little time gathering the facts before you destroy your credibility.
Mexico's unemployment rates is pure BS. First of all, they only report URBAN unemployment, a fact they clearly disclose if you would actually read the
words. They totally ignore agricultural unemployment. They also do not bother to report underemployment. The true unemployment rate in Mexico is over
25%.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
He never been a complainer about anything. Came back with a silver star and never ever has brought it up. He just can't think of any other possible
cause for both knees to deteriorate. I don't think you'd get him anywhere's near a VA hospital- these guys were beat up pretty hard by that
expereince and the VA system itself back then. The ones that clung to it are the ones holding signs at intersections. (No fourth of July disrespect
intended)
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Your brother-in-law is making a big, big mistake. The VA hospital in San Diego is first class. It is a training hospital for the doctors at USD. So
when one goes for knee surgery, you usually get the number one knee doctor in San Diego supervising the surgery, that is where they train the doctors.
Waiting for medicare is not wise. First of all, there is still a 20% co-pay, which will not be cheap. The VA co-pay is something like $50 for that
surgery, including everybody: surgeon, antheisiologist, hospital stay, medicine.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
And they wonder why Mexico's GNP is so low ....
They have a lousy work ethic ..... |
Mexico ranks 13th in GNP. Just ahead of Australia. Holland and Switzerland rank well below. Any guess as to the percentage of Swiss or lowlanders who
live on two dollars a day?
Mexico has chosen to ignore its poor. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
He never been a complainer about anything. Came back with a silver star and never ever has brought it up. He just can't think of any other possible
cause for both knees to deteriorate. I don't think you'd get him anywhere's near a VA hospital- these guys were beat up pretty hard by that
expereince and the VA system itself back then. The ones that clung to it are the ones holding signs at intersections. (No fourth of July disrespect
intended)
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I have utmost respect for the man and the Silver Star. He should rethink his opinion of the VA. It's changed and so has their treatment of G.I.s
with old wounds. I know.
He has coverage there, for positive. Tell him to take what he's more than entitled to and get fixed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
He never been a complainer about anything. Came back with a silver star and never ever has brought it up. He just can't think of any other possible
cause for both knees to deteriorate. I don't think you'd get him anywhere's near a VA hospital- these guys were beat up pretty hard by that
expereince and the VA system itself back then. The ones that clung to it are the ones holding signs at intersections. (No fourth of July disrespect
intended)
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Your brother-in-law is making a big, big mistake. The VA hospital in San Diego is first class. It is a training hospital for the doctors at USD. So
when one goes for knee surgery, you usually get the number one knee doctor in San Diego supervising the surgery, that is where they train the doctors.
Waiting for medicare is not wise. First of all, there is still a 20% co-pay, which will not be cheap. The VA co-pay is something like $50 for that
surgery, including everybody: surgeon, antheisiologist, hospital stay, medicine. |
Thanks. You are probably right- but he's on the east coast. I'm certain the VA has gotten much better since his war, but he wants nothing to do with
the VA. He has private insurance and they won't cover it. I know better than to even bring it up. We Connecticut yankees are a stubborn lot and
that's not always a good thing. But I do know it affects his quality of life- like for golf. I treated them to a Vegas vacation and he really
couldn't enjoy that either. I know you're probably right- but his perception is stronger than todays reality. He's also almost deaf in both ears now
and you can hear him talking over himself a block away. Appreciate the feedback though.
[Edited on 7-3-2009 by Woooosh]
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gnukid,soulpatch, To you all and the rest of the "what's wrong with the world crowd", go ahead , blame the USA. Everybody else does. Happy 4th. of
July.
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soulpatch, You're right ! Where do you sign up for those lessons?
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