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I guess we could all wait for the Star Ship Enterprise to come and save us. The problem is we have people who want us to live in the stone age. If
they want to fine go ahead, I don't.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by "Nuclear IS the answer" MrBillM
I'm not advocating ANY particular approach, but the technology is available to produce the energy and control the risks. |
how's the controlled risks of that BP Oil rig going?
Who's gonna controL the Risks?
the Future (Actual Footage):
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/767091/
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! PrEFeRiR!A eSTaR eN baJa !
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| Quote: | Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
| Quote: | Originally posted by "Nuclear IS the answer" MrBillM
I'm not advocating ANY particular approach, but the technology is available to produce the energy and control the risks. |
how's the controlled risks of that BP Oil rig going?
Who's gonna controL the Risks?
the Future (Actual Footage):
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/767091/
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Lets see, one major accident in about 40 years in the Gulf waters--------seems a lot safer than flying, or much worse---driving on the highways. Lets
give those 2 things up, what do you think?
Very little in the modern world is accomplished without "risks". We do the best we can.
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So Far So Good
As they say "Excrement Occurs". In different words.
The Oil "Risks" should add impetus to Nuclear Power Efforts.
Aside from the Fiasco at Three-Mile Island, we haven't seen any problems with Nuclear Power Plants in the U.S. and even there the situation was
controlled without any loss of life. They seem to be doing fine in France. We think. I'll grant that the Frogs are pretty strange, but they were
strange before they went Nuclear.
As the old saw goes "More people have died in Ted Kennedy's Car than have died as a result of Nuclear Power".
I spent a lot of time swimming and surfing in sight of the San Onofre plant. People still do. Nobody's been harmed.
No Problema.
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'"As the old saw goes "More people have died in Ted Kennedy's Car than have died as a result of Nuclear Power".
Well, not if you include experimental military reactors.
"The SL-1, or Stationary Low-Power Reactor Number One, was a United States Army experimental nuclear power reactor which underwent a steam explosion
and meltdown on January 3, 1961, killing its three operators."
They buried the dead guys in lead caskets after they let them decay in more than the usual way, for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1
I measured the radiation fields using gamma spectrometry around the reactor from the fallout and decontamination efforts, which weren't very
effective, about 20 years after the "rapid disassembly accident".
I glow at night now. 
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"I spent a lot of time swimming and surfing in sight of the San Onofre plant. People still do. Nobody's been harmed."
Maybe not in the general public, maybe, but there are radiation workers that go into radioactive areas of the plant to perform maintenance tasks. They
wear dosimeters to ensure that they don't exceed the annual and lifetime maximum permissible dose. The problem is there is no threshold dose below
which ionizing radiation exposure is 100% safe. I bet some of these guys have developed cancer as a result. But no one really knows. The more nukes,
the more radiation workers, the more the likelihood someone will be injured.
Those domes around the San Onofre reactors are pre-stressed steel and concrete structures. The fact that they use these elaborate containment
structures points to the danger involved.
They dodged a bullet at TMI. It came real close to a BIG problem. Big enough that it ended the nuclear industry in the US. No permits have been issued
since.
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There are risk with everything we do, so what. You got your head in the sand about nuclear power. You and the other enviro wackos are the reason the
US lags the rest of the world in building nuclear power plants and why we are using oil we don't need to. Instead of working with the people that want
to build them to make them safe you put up road block after road block with your democrat liberal friends. Windmills NIYBY.
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Danger Danger. Three Dead, Hug ?
That Green energy can be Bad Stuff, too.
Down in the Palm Springs area, they've had that many people (and more ?) die in accidents on those Giganto Wind-Beaters.
Bet there have been a few deaths on those Solar Arrays, too.
Does any of that prove a point ?
IF we were to add up all the deaths and injuries and then factor them in terms of Energy produced, it's likely that the Greenies would be the worst.
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A guy was killed in Oregon working on a new wind farm. Here is the OSHA report:
http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/oregon-osha-rele...
Working with large amounts of power is dangerous. When things go wrong, they go wrong in a big way.
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Let There Be LIGHT ?
The proposed MASSIVE array of HUGE parabolic mirrors covering Ten Square Miles driving Stirling Engines in the SoCal desert to
produce 750 MW (the output of ONE Gas-Fired Plant) is likely to be a pretty dangerous place, too. Wanna Bet ?
But, it may never happen since the Greenies in FAVOR are being opposed by the ECOS who are not because it may endanger some Thorned, Spotted,
Humpbacked Dwarf Rat, Gnat, Lizard or Toad. Don't remember which one, but it doesn't matter. The loss (or even reduction) of that Rat, Gnat,
Lizard, Toad will likely imbalance the earth to such an extent that we'll go spinning into the Sun in short order.
Or, off to Jupiter.
One of the two, I think.
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These solar thermal power generation plants are not new. One was built in the 1980s and is now shut down.
http://N-zish.freewebsites.com/solarscan.html
Wilton
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fossil fuel combustion kills many thousands of people per year, and nukes do not.
you may think that fossil fuel combustion is risk free, but the degraded air quality causes many shortened lives (many, many thousands per year) and
uncounted health problems such as respiratory problems.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The proposed MASSIVE array of HUGE parabolic mirrors covering Ten Square Miles driving Stirling Engines in the SoCal desert to
produce 750 MW (the output of ONE Gas-Fired Plant) is likely to be a pretty dangerous place, too. Wanna Bet ?
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solar power is a very inefficient use of land area. it may be OK for roof tops, as it at least puts roof space to use, but it is insane to covers
many miles of desert to get a couple hundred MW capacity. the desert has better uses as open space, and nukes would have much smaller land footprint.
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Regarding the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. There were several warning signs that bad things could happen if they continued with the procedure in
progress. The order to proceed was given in spite of objections by the people onsite. The results of ignoring the warning signs, horrific. 
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We need all the energy sources we can get, including nukes. There are some great new designs out there, including the pebble type reactor which by
design can't melt down and is more efficient in using up fuel (less waste); also that design is now incorporating a cogenerative application by using
the hot water left over in the nuke process to aid in a lower delta t in hydrolizing water (for hydrogen power).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
fossil fuel combustion kills many thousands of people per year, and nukes do not.
you may think that fossil fuel combustion is risk free, but the degraded air quality causes many shortened lives (many, many thousands per year) and
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Goat for once I agree with you on this and your next post. What is this world coming to?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Regarding the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. There were several warning signs that bad things could happen if they continued with the procedure in
progress. The order to proceed was given in spite of objections by the people onsite. The results of ignoring the warning signs, horrific. |
That's usually the problem that has to be corrected. The people that know whats going on have to have an overriding ability to make the final decision
on what to do from a safety standpoint, not some manager that only considers what the cost is or is only doing what the home office wants done.
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The TRUTH is out there !
Unfortunately, Fox Mulder is NOT on the case. It MIGHT have been Aliens, after all. Either kind. It IS the Gulf of MEXICO.
Seriously, though.
Although it's a tiny portion of the information, Having watched hours of the investigation testimony, principally from the BP senior engineer (Hafle),
the adversarial lawyer game-playing and misrepresentations (including the MMS) made it clear that the details of the story are not going to be covered
objectively in short news segments.
During that testimony, it was apparent that a lot of "so-called" warnings ignored were simply technical problems that were analyzed, discussed and
addressed. There were differences of opinion between different experts versed in the subject. Whether the options taken were the best in any given
case simply cannot be proven AT THIS TIME. I do know from watching that testimony that a lot of "supposed" questionable actions were simply a part of
the Normal routine approved and followed during this type of Exploratory Drilling. Some things may never be known, including the
actual failure cause and sequence of events.
SOMETHING (Unknown) went wrong. Critical MISTAKES may have occurred as they do in ALL Dangerous activities, but this tendency to make villains
everybody concerned BEFORE the facts are known doesn't accomplish anything other than pander to the Blood-Lust of the uninformed.
Which, of course, is the motivation, especially among the Eco-Loons that see this as an opportunity to drive another stake into Oil-Drilling ANYWHERE.
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I tend to agree MrBill...I figure everytime I get in the car I'm part of the good and bad consequences of using oil...better to use this disaster as
motivation to find other energy sources rather than finger pointing.
The one possible bright spot is that the gulf waters are warm, especially now, which will aid in faster microbial processing of the oil...the gulf
recovered from Pemex's Ixtoc I blowout in the 70s (spewing for ten months!) and it will recover again, despite the short term effects to fish and
wildlife, which are horrific.
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