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[*] posted on 12-20-2009 at 09:53 AM


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Whiish,

Your contempt for Mexicans is at an all time high, even for you. One day, we will be reading about you.


I don't enter into battles of wit with the unarmed--- sorry Gull... I'm not biting. All your posts today pretty much suck and you've managed to tarnish most every thread with your gull turds of wisdom. Sorry in advance if I fail to respond to your future posts- but I don't feed flying rats (gulls).




Please all dont get sucked in by those Loosers and Ex-convicts that claim that they are protecing America's borders. These guys just get on these boards in attempt to disuade Americans from entering Mexico.
Isnt that right Mr. Schwilk of the San Diego Minute men?
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[*] posted on 12-20-2009 at 10:34 AM


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Story hits home because that lady could have been me. At one time in the distant past I thought of working in SD and living in TJ because my husband is Mexican. This guy had to pay a price for his being transported at five years old into the US illegally. He was doing the right thing, they both were.

Woosh i understand your frustration and I go through it at times too. You are frustrated because you are tied to the Mexican people unlike some people. You do things the locals do because you're a local. Things like try out a new taco stand you heard was good once in awhile. I also feel more comfortable in places that the tourists aren't because they are genuine. So this lady could have been you or me or anyone in our situation.

I do think that if you read Mexican history more closely in both English and Spanish (different perspectives) you will know that the people won't cower in their houses or whatever it is you said. There are gun laws and there are also machetes and other weapons. Mexicans usually have an impressive local communication system at the local level. I can actually picture my family, friends and neighbors defending themselves with these weapons as their ancestors did a century ago, but maybe because I work with reel men and not pansy paper pusher bureaucrats and politicos.

In the 11 years I've been here full time I have seen consumerism grow at an unbelievable rate. Credit became easier to get, albeit expensive. I see this increasing materialism as one of the biggest threats to the country. Those who fall under its pressure will be the ones that cower and remain silent instead of fighting.

INYO will the violence increase due to the arrest and death of some important cartel people now? This violence is what has put me into the camp of legalizing everything and I never had thoughts like this before. Living practically across the street from a tiendita for about a year solidified this opinion.

Don't beat on Woosh he's one of the "good guys".


That was a great post with insights about myself I never really thought about. Yes, it's very different if you are "married to Mexico" and have family here. Both change your perspective and you look at everything through two sets of "filters" AMerican and Mexican- neither is black and white.

Sometimes my neighbors will badmouth Mexico in a self-deprecating sort of way. I think they do it to make me feel better in my frustration, but I don't allow it. I tell them Mexico is a great country and point out that ALL of Africa. South America and most of Asia lags far behind Mexico inmost every way. Mexico's biggest problem is that it has the USA for a neighbor and the constant points of comparison force it to create a parody of it's future- instead of taking the time to and steps to create it correctly and transparently piece by piece. Mexico is progressing- just not fast enough.

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[*] posted on 12-20-2009 at 12:54 PM
This Is What I had In Mind


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[Information. You think the narcos' neighbors don't know what's going on? Get the general populace peeed off enough, and there won't be any place to hide...

At that point I have the (perhaps mistaken) illusion that the military is still honest enough to step in and clean things up.

But I think there's a long ways to go before the pueblo gets that irritated. It's not yet their war.

--Larry


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[*] posted on 12-20-2009 at 02:19 PM
There can't be a tipping point on a one-sided scale


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You think the narcos' neighbors don't know what's going on? Get the general populace peeed off enough, and there won't be any place to hide...

It's not yet their war.



Right. :rolleyes:

Of course the neighbors know. Mexico is an insular society... Pogo on steroids. If it's not a cousin then it's a cousin of a cousin.




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[*] posted on 12-20-2009 at 02:21 PM


However, if and when several of your cousin's cousins get mowed down or blown up while shopping or riding the bus, you're going to do something other than look the other way.
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[*] posted on 12-21-2009 at 10:03 AM


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However, if and when several of your cousin's cousins get mowed down or blown up while shopping or riding the bus, you're going to do something other than look the other way.


The Union Trib gave mention of this murder in their editorial today (12/21). The column was in support of the Mexcian Gov't getting Leyva and the "splintering" effect likely to follow his death. But they also threw this in:

"Tragically, one of the latest victims was a San Diegan killed by stray gunfire while having dinner with her husband at a restaurant in Tijuana. Twenty-three-year-old Yajaira Mota Orozco of Logan Heights leaves behind two young daughters, including a 4-month-old baby.

Orozco's death reminds us that not all the murders happening in Tijuana are instances of rival gangs trying to eliminate one another. Sometimes, innocent people get caught in the crossfire. Children are left motherless. And families are destroyed."




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[*] posted on 12-21-2009 at 02:19 PM


Nancy Reagan: "Just Say No."
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