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roadhog
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At San Ysidro/Tijuana, Mexico's entryman asked " Passport" ? when I walked in. I had it in hand to my photo. He nodded.
After paying for the Tourist Card a few feet away, without trauma, comedy, or persecution, I walked back to the entryman and he quietly said
"PASSPORT." I stood there while he counted to 15, uno dos... the he stamped my PASSPORT as entered Mexico.
He did not ask to search my laptop.
UPS sez UPS delivers into Baja.
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CaboRon
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UPDATE
Mexico's passport mandate to be eased
Enforcement lifted for visitors to Baja
By Sandra Dibble, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.
A new Mexican government rule that U.S. visitors present passports when entering Mexico by land, sea and air will not be enforced at Baja California's
border crossings, authorities said Monday in Tijuana.
Francisco Javier Reynoso Nuño, the top federal immigration official in Baja California, said Mexico lacks the infrastructure to enforce the
regulations at busy ports such as San Ysidro and Otay Mesa.
"We're going to stay the same," Reynoso said following a meeting with state officials worried about how the regulations could affect travel to Baja
California.
The rules, set to go into effect March 1 in other parts of Mexico, will not be applied to short-term visitors along the northern border, Reynoso said.
Likewise, cruise ship passengers who briefly disembark at Ensenada won't be required to present a passport, he said.
The announcement of the new rules has come as Mexico has worked to increase security at its ports of entry. The federal government is in the process
of installing a new electronic inspection system, known as SIAVE, at its land border crossings as a means of detecting illegal weapons and other
contraband.
Southbound border waits have been growing longer in recent months as a result of SIAVE. Business groups in both Baja California and San Diego
complained that the additional immigration inspection would create even longer delays, and further stifle commerce and tourism on both sides.
"We were very concerned," said Oscar Escobedo Carignan, Baja California's tourism secretary. "Things are going to continue the same. It's good news
for us."
The regulations, announced this month by Mexico's National Migration Institute, state that U.S. citizens traveling to Mexico "by air, land or sea"
must present either a valid U.S. passport or passport card. U.S. permanent residents must also present documents proving their status.
Because of U.S. travel document requirements, most U.S. visitors to Mexico already carry passports or passport cards or trusted traveler documents
such as SENTRI passes when crossing at the border.
"We recognize Mexico's right to secure its borders, but they should be secured with the minimum interruption of commerce in both directions," said
James Clark, director of the Mexico Business Center of the San Diego Regional Chamber of Commerce
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Just bad news for the people of Mexico who live off of tourist business... The harder it is for people to just cross the border for some fun, the
fewer who will bother to go.
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Mexico needs to revise its tourist model. Dollar tacos, drugs, cheap Viagra, hookers and 'drink til you pass out' spring breakers are hard sells for
those who can afford passports.  |
The have legal casinos and legal city-licensed sex workers. You'd think those two together would give someone ideas... "Catch something closer to
home next vacation... visit TJ?" "Lose you cherry and hit the jackpot in TJ"... Lot's of potential. If they lower the age of consent they will
capture the we-used-to-go-to-Thailand crowd- they have passports.
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As far as I know, the legal casinos are limited to slots and sports-book. It would really take the whole enchilada of casino games to really make a
difference. It has been rumored for years that the folks in Mexico City were planning on establishing gambling zones in several places around the
country. I've heard Cabo and Cancun mentioned. If that was to come to pass, I doubt a place like TJ would qualify. |
I disagree- and so does Hank Rhon. TJ got on the map because it flew in the face of the USA prohibition on alcohol. Right now all options are on the
table to boost the flailing Mexican economy. As a former casino executive- your comments about slots and sports-book being trivial is incorrect. They
are the #1 draw and are the cash cows of the casino, not the table games. JMPO though.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Why negative comments? It appears to me that it's just Mexico throwing down the gauntlet. After all, in theory, anyway, hasn't the US required
passports for re-entry? |
last night i handed the agent my wifes and my passports then birth certs and driver licenses for my son and his girl. he handed me back the birth
certs and ran our passports and told us to have a good night. we expected at least a tongue lashing but this guy was ultra cool!!!!
and the trip was EPIC!!!!! fotos coming in the weeks ahead...... |
I was very late for a San Diego appointment last week and left the house without my passport. I got to the San Ysidro crossing with only my CA
driver's license and a CostCo card. I apologized and he laughed. He told me he did not believe a passport was legally necessary for a US citizen to
enter their own country and said he disagreed with the current policy. He wished me a good day and waved me right through- and not to secondary
either...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Passports - Who CARES ?
I've been carrying one for Decades, too. My wife for Twenty years. FM-3s for about 15 now. Ready to show them to anybody interested.
As otherwise stated, I don't care what ANYONE else does as long as it doesn't affect my wait-time.
Drag them out of their cares, impound the vehicle, throw them in a cell, put them on a bus to the nearest Federal lockup.
Waterboard them.
OK by me. Just keep the line flowing.
AND, Once Again to anyone who pops up and talks about them turning you back from entry to the USA without one.
WRONG. You're already IN the USA when you speak to the agent. IF you claim U.S. Citizenship, they can't send you back. They can lock you up,
however, until they get it straightened out.
[Edited on 2-17-2010 by MrBillM]
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Coming back to California from my last trip I was worried because I didn't notice until I was in the border line that my passport had expired a few
months before. I am Hispanic and was worried that I was going to have some problems but the officer at the border was very nice and explained to me
that even an expired passport serves as a legal proof of place of birth.
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Bajahowodd
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I Stand Corrected
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Just bad news for the people of Mexico who live off of tourist business... The harder it is for people to just cross the border for some fun, the
fewer who will bother to go.
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Mexico needs to revise its tourist model. Dollar tacos, drugs, cheap Viagra, hookers and 'drink til you pass out' spring breakers are hard sells for
those who can afford passports. |
The have legal casinos and legal city-licensed sex workers. You'd think those two together would give someone ideas... "Catch something closer to
home next vacation... visit TJ?" "Lose you cherry and hit the jackpot in TJ"... Lot's of potential. If they lower the age of consent they will
capture the we-used-to-go-to-Thailand crowd- they have passports.
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As far as I know, the legal casinos are limited to slots and sports-book. It would really take the whole enchilada of casino games to really make a
difference. It has been rumored for years that the folks in Mexico City were planning on establishing gambling zones in several places around the
country. I've heard Cabo and Cancun mentioned. If that was to come to pass, I doubt a place like TJ would qualify. |
I disagree- and so does Hank Rhon. TJ got on the map because it flew in the face of the USA prohibition on alcohol. Right now all options are on the
table to boost the flailing Mexican economy. As a former casino executive- your comments about slots and sports-book being trivial is incorrect. They
are the #1 draw and are the cash cows of the casino, not the table games. JMPO though. |
But for the fact that the high rollers don't do slots. I've spent a bit of time in Hank's place at the Hotel San Nicolas. (newly remodeled, I might
add.) Seemed to me that it was all locals playing slots there. I would guess similarly, for San Diego County folks, what with all the Indian Casinos,
why would they cross the border to play slots? My mention of the resort areas was because if and when they have full throttle casino gambling, it will
be a major boost to revenue. It's about the full-blown Vegas-style experience.
[Edited on 2-17-2010 by Bajahowodd]
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We don't disagree really. You are talking about creating a tourist "casino experience" to compete with US casinos and I am talking about the casino's
bottom line. Slots and table game performance are mathematics-driven to create a small "house advantage". Repeated millions of times per day- this
small house advantage builds to become big numbers. The games are generally not tinkered with. Casinos that do tinker with the math/games to attract
new customers also attract the roving professional gamers who will methodically wipe them out. Sports Book is a different animal.
The "whales" (high-rollers) will never come to TJ and few even travel from Asia to Vegas anymore. Not many casino can- and some just don't want to
attract them. They need private jets, on-site mansions with private chefs and butlers, and private gaming parlors. Maccau China totally rocks, and
all the major US casino operators are already there with amazing facilities.
Vegas ain't coming to TJ or Rosarito. Gambling will be in converted race tracks, shopping center locations or maybe revive the gambling cruises from
San Diego to Ensenada.
Table games will require the trust of the people playing that the house isn't outright cheating them. That trust won't ever exist in Mexico. Slots
use a random number generator system to perform over a cycle (usually 200,000 pulls) to the programmed results (payout percentage) of the micro-chip.
The casino game that is most addicting is video poker. People get in a bubble and play for hours on end- trying to beat a computer that doesn't care
about anything but the math of the outcome.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Got it. There's no doubt that the slots are the mother's milk of the industry. In fact, over the last several decades, casinos in places like Vegas
have dedicated more and more floor space for them. Obviously, each "pull" (it used to be an actual mechanical thing) may have generated a small amount
of change, when one considers the 24/7 situation where there are folks lined up to play.... Enormous revenue. But back to my original hypothesis. If
resorts such as Cancun and Cabo, maybe PV had full blown casino gambling, would you not think that given the pre-existing exotic beach locale, that
many folks would say aloha to their Hawaii vacation, for example, and head to Mexico?
You mention the trust problem. But, just perhaps, in resort settings, the fact that the casino is on the property run by Sheraton, or Hilton, Westin,
or even RIU, for that matter, would ameliorate the fear?
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Why does anyone think that going to TJ is NOT gambling.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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The argument for a full blown casino in TJ includes the idea that currently many TJ residents cross the border to gamble at the close by San Diego
area Indian casinos and a local casino would keep the money in town and provide jobs, in addition to attracting Americans to gamble on a trip to TJ.
I don't know, but the idea seems to have merit.
I'd love to have one in playas, then I could walk to the casino for exercise. 
[Edited on 2-18-2010 by k-rico]
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Bajahowodd
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Rico- I gotta go with The Gull on this one!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Rico- I gotta go with The Gull on this one! |
wuss
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Bajahowodd
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Gracias, amigo!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Why does anyone think that going to TJ is NOT gambling. |
Winning the money would be easier than making it home alive with it in your pocket. Yet another problem...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Caliente, Hank Rhon, his wife and whoever else are building a big casino across the street from Home Dpo in Ensenada. The large building went up fast
and I hear it will have 300 slots. **** count will be determined later as the need arises. [there's a straight line free for the taking]
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