capt. mike
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well this will get your blood boiling...
Gotta luv our Guvmint.... NOT!!
any of you who might be "logic" challenged, pass on reading this...
from BBP
"We completed our annual trip to Mexico yesterday after 2 weeks of wonderful and uneventful travel on the mainland. I have 15 or 20 E-APIS border
crossings under my belt since the mandatory requirement was initiated last year but this one takes the cake.
We were staying in Teacapan, MX, which is about 70 miles south of Mazatlan , where we had internet access. We decided to head home on Monday, March
29th The flight to our chosen Airport of Entry was 7 hours with no wind. I did not have enough fuel to get far enough to comfortably make the trip
with only one fuel stop and since I wasn’t sure we would make the trip in one day I filed my E-Apis for Tuesday the 30th.
As luck would have it, we got an early start Monday morning with clear, smooth skies and a tailwind. We stopped for fuel in Los Mochis and continued
north to Punta Penasco where we arrived at about 2:30 in the afternoon. They opened a new jetport in Penasco in November, so instead of landing
right downtown you are now in the middle of nowhere 20 miles south of town. Where it used to cost $4 for a cab from the airport to Rocky Point it is
now 30 minutes and $25. So I decided to see if I could call customs and amend my E-apis telephonically. I had just downloaded and read the latest
E-APIS guide effective January 2010 and it says:
On a limited case-by-case basis, CBP may permit a pilot to submit or update notice of arrival or
departure and arrival/departure manifest information telephonically when unforeseen
circumstances preclude submission of the information via eAPIS. Under such circumstances,
CBP will manually process the notice of arrival/departure and traveler manifest information
provided by the pilot; the pilot is required to wait for CBP screening and approval to depart. In
these cases, the pilot should contact the CBP airport of arrival/departure for assistance.
So I called Customs at the AOE. I had a retaliation issue with Customs a couple of years ago so I am not going to mention where we entered. I asked
the agent if we could amend our Notice of Arrival date since we were way ahead of schedule. He said yes but you have to do it electronically. I
explained that that would take well over an hour in Taxi rides and about $50. He said “Well, you can just show up without filing and all we do is
give you a verbal warning that you were in violation”. I told him that I was under the impression that I would be subject to a minimum of a $5000
fine for doing that. He said “that is true but, so far we are not issuing fines.” Great I thought, so I asked if I could schedule my arrival with
him since it was my understanding that you also have to schedule directly with the AOE for an arrival. His response, “If you schedule with me now I
will have to inform you that arriving without an E-Apis for the correct date is a violation in which case if you choose to enter we will violate you
with a fine.”
So I recapped the situation with him. If I neither file nor make arrangements with CBP to return to the US and just show up I will be given a verbal
warning not to do it again, but if I do everything correctly and try to amend my intentions via telephone I am subject to a fine. His response,
“that’s correct”.
Call me paranoid but I don’t believe in verbal warnings, everything stays in a file, so we just spent the night in Rocky Point and arrived the next
day on schedule.
I hope all Americans feel safer with this system in place."
oh boy....yeah...i feel way safe knowing nimrods like this fed employee actually get hired.... 
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Bajahowodd
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Not sure whether Osama has won, or it was just a ****** in customs. However, There are so many things that have changed since 9/11, including stuff
that is truly farcical, that rational people have to wonder if Osama didn't accomplish something. Just the other day, there were tragic bombing in a
Moscow subway. The Russian government has had an ongoing issue, (and vice versa) with separatist Muslims in areas such as Chechnya. What blows my mind
is that as soon as the Moscow bombings were announced, the media started playing stories about emergency increases in security in US public transit
venues. There is no indication whatsoever, that Chechnyan rebels have any interest in anything other than the Russian government. So, it would appear
that we have created a self-sustaining bureaucracy out of over reaction to 9/11.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
Gotta luv our Guvmint.... NOT!!
any of you who might be "logic" challenged, pass on reading this...
from BBP
"We completed our annual trip to Mexico yesterday after 2 weeks of wonderful and uneventful travel on the mainland. I have 15 or 20 E-APIS border
crossings under my belt since the mandatory requirement was initiated last year but this one takes the cake.
We were staying in Teacapan, MX, which is about 70 miles south of Mazatlan , where we had internet access. We decided to head home on Monday, March
29th The flight to our chosen Airport of Entry was 7 hours with no wind. I did not have enough fuel to get far enough to comfortably make the trip
with only one fuel stop and since I wasn’t sure we would make the trip in one day I filed my E-Apis for Tuesday the 30th.
As luck would have it, we got an early start Monday morning with clear, smooth skies and a tailwind. We stopped for fuel in Los Mochis and continued
north to Punta Penasco where we arrived at about 2:30 in the afternoon. They opened a new jetport in Penasco in November, so instead of landing
right downtown you are now in the middle of nowhere 20 miles south of town. Where it used to cost $4 for a cab from the airport to Rocky Point it is
now 30 minutes and $25. So I decided to see if I could call customs and amend my E-apis telephonically. I had just downloaded and read the latest
E-APIS guide effective January 2010 and it says:
On a limited case-by-case basis, CBP may permit a pilot to submit or update notice of arrival or
departure and arrival/departure manifest information telephonically when unforeseen
circumstances preclude submission of the information via eAPIS. Under such circumstances,
CBP will manually process the notice of arrival/departure and traveler manifest information
provided by the pilot; the pilot is required to wait for CBP screening and approval to depart. In
these cases, the pilot should contact the CBP airport of arrival/departure for assistance.
So I called Customs at the AOE. I had a retaliation issue with Customs a couple of years ago so I am not going to mention where we entered. I asked
the agent if we could amend our Notice of Arrival date since we were way ahead of schedule. He said yes but you have to do it electronically. I
explained that that would take well over an hour in Taxi rides and about $50. He said “Well, you can just show up without filing and all we do is
give you a verbal warning that you were in violation”. I told him that I was under the impression that I would be subject to a minimum of a $5000
fine for doing that. He said “that is true but, so far we are not issuing fines.” Great I thought, so I asked if I could schedule my arrival with
him since it was my understanding that you also have to schedule directly with the AOE for an arrival. His response, “If you schedule with me now I
will have to inform you that arriving without an E-Apis for the correct date is a violation in which case if you choose to enter we will violate you
with a fine.”
So I recapped the situation with him. If I neither file nor make arrangements with CBP to return to the US and just show up I will be given a verbal
warning not to do it again, but if I do everything correctly and try to amend my intentions via telephone I am subject to a fine. His response,
“that’s correct”.
Call me paranoid but I don’t believe in verbal warnings, everything stays in a file, so we just spent the night in Rocky Point and arrived the next
day on schedule.
I hope all Americans feel safer with this system in place."
oh boy....yeah...i feel way safe knowing nimrods like this fed employee actually get hired.... |
this sounds like it worked out fine. your friend called for instructions, got instructions and did it right.
it is not economical for customs people to be on station all day waiting for for planes to land when they please. requiring pilots to schedule their
arrival means customs can show up to location at specific time/date. if a customs inspector needs to drop what he/she is doing to process an
unscheduled arrival it is fair to fine the unscheduled arrival.
airplanes are much, much less frequent border crossers than cars so collective inconvenience to pilots is minimal relative to cars. i would argue
that cars and trucks and commercial aircraft crossing borders are far more important than private aircraft crossing borders. pvt planes just need to
lump it and stick to schedule and procedure, until the day that their collective border crossing numbers are meaningful relative to other crossings.
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[Edited on 4-2-2010 by BajaNews]
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capt. mike
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sorry Goat- this time it doesn't play to your call - that airport which i WILL not identify has CBP posted at it as regular station personnel - they
have arrivals all day long. they are on duty there as regular staff to clear GA constantly - it is BUSY.
and they admitted the whole thing is a mindless sham...who else here doesn't get it???...
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by capt. mike....who else here doesn't get it???...
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Well, guess I don't but I didn't get it either in April 1999 when the very same thing happened to a friend and me coming back in the U.S. in the
friend's plane.
I don't think it's an Demo thing, a Repub thing, or 9/11 thing. It's just bureaucracy at its finest. 
Allen R
PS Mike, I like your new web site. I still have my T-shirts. 
[Edited on 4-2-2010 by bufeo]
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capt. mike
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"PS Mike, I like your new web site. I still have my T-shirts. "
thx Allen - i wish i had more to sell and give away.
mine are in tatters...
no spare jack currently to make an order...and i need new art as my livery has changed since the last run. oh well...
any spare change these days goes to avgas. glad i only have one hobby to support...
i agree man - it's too much guvmint never mind which color - red or blue! they both fairly suck and blow right now kinda like a Cessna Mixmaster.
one sucks your $$ and they BOTH blow it!!!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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