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Natalie Ann
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I asked a CHP Sergeant to fill me in as to the specifics of this law.
His response:
The easy answer is that there can be no tint or film whatsoever on the front or front-side windows (anything to the left and right of the driver).
Everything behind the driver, so the rear and rear-side windows, can be covered in aluminum foil as long as there are left and right side mirrors on
the vehicle. (The right/passenger side mirror is not required by law.) [Vehicle Code 26708(a)(1): A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with
any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows.]
There is an exemption for a removable sun shade meeting certain specifications with a doctors note; but it has to be removable for night and when
other people are driving. This is extremely rare.
Now, federal statutes allow up to 70% tint as part of the glass. Looking at 70% (that transmits 70% of the light), most people will think its clear.
It's really not apparent. That's what most vehicles have from the factory to block UVA/UVB.
To complicate things, California actually allows a film to be applied (contrary to the above) if the total transmittance is 88% of above. Even with
clear, 100% glass, there is not a single film on the market that blocks only 12% of light to meet the 88% requirement -- so that section is moot.
The scenario we run into 99%+ of the time with people who insist their front tint is legal is that it was applied by the previous owner or a dealer
and they don't realize there is a film on the window. Oftentimes, especially in southern california, dealers sell brand new cars illegally tinted.
They did not come from the factory this way, as any vehicle manufactured in the US has California-legal "tint" embedded in the glass. The dealer adds
the illegal film before the customer ever takes delivery.
If you roll down the window an inch or two and look at the very top edge, you can see the line where the film is applied. Often people are surprised
to see they actually have a film applied to the window.
So, back to square one. No film whatsoever on the front, blacked-out in the back is okay, and anything from the factory (not added by the dealer) is
okay.
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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Cyanide41
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I was pulled over for this infraction, and I handed the Poilce Officer my Drivers License and a 3yr old Registration that I had been saving just for
him.
I looked at the officer like I was not going to give him a single Peso, and he did not ask for one. I refuse giving away my hard-earned money to
people that don't deserve it.
I was instead told that my 31% aftermarket tint was "too dark" and because I was a tourist and not a resident, I was allowed to drive
around town with my windows down in order to avoid an infraction.
My wife and I decided not to sightsee in Tijuana, and return to our friends' home where we had been visiting. Sucks, because I wanted her to see the
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Ken was this on the front windows? I used to drive around TJ with fairly dark front windows until someone smashed one and stole my ipod and gps. That
occured in my driveway here in San Diego. Granted, when in Mexico you better believe valueables are out of sight.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mikeintj
This has been enforced at various times for about the past 5 years. The problem is that although it is aimed at any narcos travelling around town
hiding behind their tinted windows, the reality is that single police officers target the easiest prey i.e. families, particularly white families.
Police officers are far too scared to confront a car with more than one hispanic male in it.
We (my wife was driving in Tijuana and our 3 year old was in the back) had to pay a mordida for this. It was the first time that a police officer had
asked for a bribe in front of my daughter and I felt particularly violated because of this, the officer doing something so dirty in front of our
daughter.
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I haven't read the posts after yours yet, but I applaud you for your post. When children witness corruption it changes their whole future and sets
the tone to become complacent life-long victims of the abuses of authority over which they have little control. Mordidas should bother every Mexican
in his gut the way it bothered you.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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The Gull
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Cartels are finished in Mexico
When the Mexican government enforces the "no smoked windows" law, all the cartel members of Mexico will leave the county and go to California or
Arizona.
In California, all of them will be given a home to live, free medical care for their entire family, free education for their entire family, Welfare
and Food Stamps, just like all the other illegals are currently receiving. Because California does not enforce the window law, they will not have to
change their cars condition.
In Arizona, most of what California provides will be available as the White House by filing a lawsuit against Arizona has chosen to stop the people of
Arizona from protecting themselves against killers and criminals.
Simple solution for Mexico to eliminate Drug trafficing - enforce the window law.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
When the Mexican government enforces the "no smoked windows" law, all the cartel members of Mexico will leave the county and go to California or
Arizona.
In California, all of them will be given a home to live, free medical care for their entire family, free education for their entire family, Welfare
and Food Stamps, just like all the other illegals are currently receiving. Because California does not enforce the window law, they will not have to
change their cars condition.
In Arizona, most of what California provides will be available as the White House by filing a lawsuit against Arizona has chosen to stop the people of
Arizona from protecting themselves against killers and criminals.
Simple solution for Mexico to eliminate Drug trafficing - enforce the window law. |
A good start Gull, but how much drugs cross the border in cars with or without tinted windows? I suggest we install tracking devices on all pangas,
that every illegal caught in the USA be micro-chipped like a dog, and that all drug tunnels be converted to National Guard bunkers. just kidding...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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wessongroup
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Can there be any good in this system... for example:
Young man on a motorcycle, without plates, no insurance, no helmet, excessive speed, exhibition of speed (wheelie), and a modified exhaust system ...
was stopped by a Police officer ... rather than go to the station and pay an approximate 800-1,000 peso fine..(5 violations) the young man gives the
officer $20 dollars.. and drives it back to his house and parks it in the garage.. it's not on his record and does not effect his insurance
Wrong, yes.. but...... just a thought.. as I know a guy this happened to .. just the other day.. and for him... he thinks it is a fair system taken
as a whole..
Just another view of the issue.. which I had not considered before....
Was talking about the point, with some local folks .. while having some work done on my car... and they live with the system daily too...
[Edited on 7-10-2010 by wessongroup]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Young man on a motorcycle, without plates, no insurance, no helmet, excessive speed, exhibition of speed (wheelie), and a modified exhaust system ...
was stopped by a Police officer ... rather than go to the station and pay an approximate 800-1,000 peso fine..(5 violations) the young man gives the
officer $20 dollars.. and drives it back to his house and parks it in the garage.. it's not on his record and does not effect his insurance
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Record and insurance? They don't bother with those details. his most egregious offense, as I see it but you didn't mention, is endangering the lives
of others.
Aside from that, I hope he kills himself.
| Quote: | | I know a guy this happened to .. just the other day.. and for him... he thinks it is a fair system taken as a whole.. |
Of course he would. He would probably consider it even more fair if he had to pay nothing.
| Quote: | Was talking about the point, with some local folks .. while having some work done on my car... and they live with the system daily too...
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They don't even comprehend the US system. For them, the police are just another pothole in the road. Sometimes you hit them, sometimes you don't.
There is no big picture for drivers here as we know it.
Just wait till you climb over the curb and rip out someones mailbox while driving home from the saloon and the cop gives you a street-fine of twenty
bucks. You'll think it's a perfect system too. 
[Edited on 7-10-2010 by DENNIS]
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BAJACAT
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I was pull over in Otay Mesa, at gun point, drag out of my truck, I was told that my truck will be tow, after a talk with the captain he let me go
with a warning, a 40 dollar warning it's.. I pay $30 in the USA to remove the tint, That I paid $120 to install 6 years ago...
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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wessongroup
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As one can see, everyone has there own take on the issue.. as for public safety.. right pal .. tell it to the folks from the States I see driving up
and down the road doing well over 70 every day on the old road and/or the toll road and when on the old road running stops, just like the locals.. ..
poor driving is not restricted to Mexicans... nor is not caring about public safety... please...
And it's their Country... if you don't like it leave.. or like Skeets said.. start flying...
In the states, you may end up being arrested and put in jail, and fines in excess of 2,000 dollars perhaps, possible license restrictions, plus your
insurance rates will go up by 20-30%
And after all the overall goal was achieved .... the bike was off the street and in the garage.. with a lesson learned.. don't do that... AGAIN
As for the Mexican Police not keeping records, I don't know that to be a fact
[Edited on 7-10-2010 by wessongroup]
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
When the Mexican government enforces the "no smoked windows" law, all the cartel members of Mexico will leave the county and go to California or
Arizona.
In California, all of them will be given a home to live, free medical care for their entire family, free education for their entire family, Welfare
and Food Stamps, just like all the other illegals are currently receiving. Because California does not enforce the window law, they will not have to
change their cars condition.
In Arizona, most of what California provides will be available as the White House by filing a lawsuit against Arizona has chosen to stop the people of
Arizona from protecting themselves against killers and criminals.
Simple solution for Mexico to eliminate Drug trafficing - enforce the window law. |
A good start Gull, but how much drugs cross the border in cars with or without tinted windows? I suggest we install tracking devices on all pangas,
that every illegal caught in the USA be micro-chipped like a dog, and that all drug tunnels be converted to National Guard bunkers. just kidding...
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Two items that I recently saw in the news. A study determined that if the upcoming California initiative to legalize marijuana passed, the price of an
ounce would drop to about $38. Second, and I'm assuming there has been an undercover effort to prevent this from passing, current polling suggests
that the initiative will fail. Interesting thing about the numbers, in that whites appear to be overwhelmingly in favor, but blacks and Hispanics are
against it.
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Bob H
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Well, I'm going to Ensenada this weekend in my new truck. It's a crew cab with dark factory tint on the rear window and rear passenger windows with a
Leer shell on the back, also dark factory tinted windows. The driver and passenger windows have a lighter after market tint that I added after I
purchased the truck.
Hope it's not going to be a problem, as I can't stand the glare without them.
I'll report when I get back on Monday.
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rocmoc
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So are the rear side windows of a quad cab legal to be tinted or not? Currently all tinted but I will remove the driver & front passenger window
tint. How about the rear seat passenger windows? In AZ everyone has tinted windows as it is a big help with heat in the car. Will have to get a sun
screen / or tinted film with suction cups to use instead of the tint.
Thanks,
rocmoc n AZ/Baja
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rocmoc
So are the rear side windows of a quad cab legal to be tinted or not? Currently all tinted but I will remove the driver & front passenger window
tint. How about the rear seat passenger windows? In AZ everyone has tinted windows as it is a big help with heat in the car. Will have to get a sun
screen / or tinted film with suction cups to use instead of the tint.
Thanks,
rocmoc n AZ/Baja |
Yes, they are legal for you for two reasons.
1. You are a TOURIST, not a Resident.
2. These are your rear windows and not your front windows.
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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rocmoc
So are the rear side windows of a quad cab legal to be tinted or not? Currently all tinted but I will remove the driver & front passenger window
tint. How about the rear seat passenger windows? In AZ everyone has tinted windows as it is a big help with heat in the car. Will have to get a sun
screen / or tinted film with suction cups to use instead of the tint.
Thanks,
rocmoc n AZ/Baja |
rocmoc, the driver and passanger side are the ones that can't be tinted, I have a Dodge
Quad cab, and im tinted all the way, I only remove the front windows. And Ken, I toll that to the police officer that stop me on Otay and he told me
that the rule applies to tourist too. He said if your laws make are mexican drivers get insurance when the go to the USA, you got to obey our laws
too.. but that was my story, I didn't like to have a bunch of guns pointed at my family so I remove the tint, I don't like to argue with Mexico
finest..
[Edited on 7-16-2010 by BAJACAT]
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BAJACAT And Ken, I toll that to the police officer that stop me on Otay and he told me that the rule applies to tourist
too. He said if your laws make are mexican drivers get insurance when the go to the USA, you got to obey our laws too.. but that was my story, I
didn't like to have a bunch of guns pointed at my family so I remove the tint, I don't like to argue with Mexico finest..
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Jose -- Those are some very good reasons for removing the window tint on your truck. Keeping your family comfortable on trips to Mexico is the most
important. Leidys doesn't want to drive the Rubicon back to Mexico because of the attention it caused wherever we went.
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David K
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"Leidys doesn't want to drive the Rubicon back to Mexico because of the attention it caused wherever we went."
I hope you are joking about this... It is a JEEP, and Jeeps get attention everywhere. Since you are not going to stop going to Baja, does that mean
you will be getting a TOYOTA or a NEW ESPOSA? 
(just kidding amigo... tell her you need the Jeep to take her back to Shell Island!)
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wessongroup
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have the rear windows in both cars tinted, we roll them down (can't with the Bronco) at the check points, along with taking off my sun glasses, my hat
and put electronics away too..
were down here all the time.. so we don't have anything in the back seat but the dog.. so we are pretty clean, and even some of the soldiers are
starting to recognize us... my wife driving, me sitting shotgun with a straw hat on my lap, a cane along side, and a dog with his face between the two
front seat.. watching things..
Have not had any problems to date..
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by David KSince you are not going to stop going to Baja, does that mean you will be getting a TOYOTA or a NEW ESPOSA? |
Now, that is starting to sound EXPENSIVE!  
In Tijuana, we stayed at the LUXURIOUS MOTEL EL MIRADOR for a whopping $29 (350 Pesos) per night. There, we parked the Rubicon in its' very own
LUXURIOUS garage. My plan next time we travel through Baja is to GARAGE the vehicle at a nice Hotel or Motel, and take Taxi's wherever we need to go.
The Baja Jeepin' RUBICON at Motel El Mirador, Tijuana - Fracc. Soler
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wessongroup
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A sound plan.. good thinking from both you and your wife, Ken.. My wife has used the Public Transit system, which picks up folks along the old road.
She used it to get back from Rosarito to the house.. had left off the Bronco for some work... the distance, about 9 miles for $1 dollar .. plus the
folks were nice too.. very friendly ... just real people getting by.... good folks
[Edited on 7-17-2010 by wessongroup]
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
A sound plan.. good thinking from both you and your wife, Ken.. My wife has used the Public Transit system, which picks up folks along the old road.
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In Bogota, we took Public Transit everywhere we went. Spending $1 for bus fare is less than gas money/parking, and you also have a chance to make new
friends.
Bogota Bus' & Taxis are super-small, but get the job done.
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