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Udo
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In watching the video, these are absolutely horrid conditions!
The blacktop version of "THE WIDOWMAKER".
I can't believe that Baja Sur's governor allows such conditions to exist. I am sure all you BA residents lost your respect for him.
Udo
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Normal traffic; cars, light trucks, etc. won't tear up a well constructed asphalt road. Big trucks, hauling overweight loads will destroy 'em. 
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David K
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Asphalt thicker than 1/4 inch helps, too!   
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David K., Very true!
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"Big trucks, hauling overweight loads will destroy 'em."
There are a couple places between Asuncion and the turnoff to Asuncion (off the bad road), that have small hills and sides of larger cerros excavated
to a large extent, I would guess for road construction foundation. From the looks of the extent of what has been removed, there must have been a lot
of hauling with big machines.
PS: It really spoils the view of a natural desert view to see the scars on the mountainsides.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Normal traffic; cars, light trucks, etc. won't tear up a well constructed asphalt road. Big trucks, hauling overweight loads will destroy 'em. |
don't blame the vehicle loading -- roads need to be designed for anticipated loads. blame the project owner, design engineers and CQC inspectors.
if they had insufficient funds, they should have built good all-weather unpaved road rather than under-designed paved road.
it doesn't take rocket scientists to design a good road, so blame the government that led the project (incompetent, lazy or uncaring bureaucrats are
to blame)
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"Big trucks, hauling overweight loads will destroy 'em."
There are a couple places between Asuncion and the turnoff to Asuncion (off the bad road), that have small hills and sides of larger cerros excavated
to a large extent, I would guess for road construction foundation. From the looks of the extent of what has been removed, there must have been a lot
of hauling with big machines.
PS: It really spoils the view of a natural desert view to see the scars on the mountainsides. |
Yes it does. Unfortunately, from what we have been told the same thing happens that happens in the US----when the envionment is damaged in ways it
was not to be damaged, and PROFEPA gets involved, they simply pay the fines and go forward.
[Edited on 7-31-2010 by DianaT]
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rts551
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Why the blame game guys. I see the same problem in Arizona. Now David, since you live in Kalifornia, I'll bet your roads are perfect!!!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Normal traffic; cars, light trucks, etc. won't tear up a well constructed asphalt road. Big trucks, hauling overweight loads will destroy 'em. |
don't blame the vehicle loading -- roads need to be designed for anticipated loads. blame the project owner, design engineers and CQC inspectors.
if they had insufficient funds, they should have built good all-weather unpaved road rather than under-designed paved road.
it doesn't take rocket scientists to design a good road, so blame the government that led the project (incompetent, lazy or uncaring bureaucrats are
to blame) |
This is the smartest thing I have ever read you post goat!
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Most time it is a matter of funds, poorly built or maintenance. Here in AZ, the county no longer has funds to keep up the paved roads so they are
turning them back to dirt. In the short run cheaper and that is the planning window of most governmental bodies now no matter if you are in Mexico or
USA.
rocmoc n AZ/Baja
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Normal traffic; cars, light trucks, etc. won't tear up a well constructed asphalt road. Big trucks, hauling overweight loads will destroy 'em. |
don't blame the vehicle loading -- roads need to be designed for anticipated loads. blame the project owner, design engineers and CQC inspectors.
if they had insufficient funds, they should have built good all-weather unpaved road rather than under-designed paved road.
it doesn't take rocket scientists to design a good road, so blame the government that led the project (incompetent, lazy or uncaring bureaucrats are
to blame) |
This is the smartest thing I have ever read you post goat! |
But from what we have been told, that would not really be the case. Yes, the government funds it, but it is contracted out to PRIVATE contractors.
Then the contractors cut corners to increase profits. Also when they have problems with agencies like PROFEPA, they just pay the fines and cut more
corners.
So while the government may look the other way, and probably certain government individuals help with who gets the contract, it is private industry
that builds lousy roads. It is that almighty greed factor.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Normal traffic; cars, light trucks, etc. won't tear up a well constructed asphalt road. Big trucks, hauling overweight loads will destroy 'em. |
don't blame the vehicle loading -- roads need to be designed for anticipated loads. blame the project owner, design engineers and CQC inspectors.
if they had insufficient funds, they should have built good all-weather unpaved road rather than under-designed paved road.
it doesn't take rocket scientists to design a good road, so blame the government that led the project (incompetent, lazy or uncaring bureaucrats are
to blame) |
This is the smartest thing I have ever read you post goat! |
But from what we have been told, that would not really be the case. Yes, the government funds it, but it is contracted out to PRIVATE contractors.
Then the contractors cut corners to increase profits. Also when they have problems with agencies like PROFEPA, they just pay the fines and cut more
corners.
So while the government may look the other way, and probably certain government individuals help with who gets the contract, it is private industry
that builds lousy roads. It is that almighty greed factor. |
actually, all are at fault, but govt is project owner and is most faulty. govt should hire 3rd party quality control inspector, and govt should not
pay contractor until QC contractor signs off on adequacy of work.
never trust a contractor. always inspect the work and be happy with work before releasing payment.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
actually, all are at fault, but govt is project owner and is most faulty. govt should hire 3rd party quality control inspector, and govt should not
pay contractor until QC contractor signs off on adequacy of work.
never trust a contractor. always inspect the work and be happy with work before releasing payment. |
I agree----then there is always the problem of who is in bed with whom----and are the regulations being enforced.
Profit is not a dirty word, but when profit is unrestricted and the primary and/or only driver, then greed destroys----whether it be the loss of lives
in mine disasters, major environmental disasters, or roads that fall apart. Certainly not just a problem for Mexico.
[Edited on 8-1-2010 by DianaT]
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rocmoc
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But it does not make difference who does the work. If minimal amount of money is funded to do the work, you will get what is paid for. In this case
less than 1/4" of road cover because the contractor is ALWAYS going to TAKE a profit. No way is he/she going to do it for free or help pay. We have
ran into many roads like this in Mexico. And over-weight trucks are a problem all over Mexico!
rocmoc n AZ/Baja
[Edited on 8-1-2010 by rocmoc]
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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shari
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a welcomed sight
I just tookt this photo on a quick trip ...(well actually a slow, painful, potholed trip) to Vizcaino. It is the first layer of pavement being laid as
I type...the pavement right into the village is supposed to be ready by Aug.15 when the governor is said to be cutting the ribbon on the newly
finished highway into Asuncion...hmmm...maybe!
then they are supposed to fix the potholes...we can only hope!
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woody with a view
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that's funny. pave the road and then fix the holes...... i guess we'll see in 2 months?
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