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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Graham
Hate to plug my own book |
why?
it's a great read. plug on, dude
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chrisx
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by chrisx
Perhaps of some import-ants: how hard is it to find the highest point in Baja?
Is it obvious which point is highest, or do I just make a guess? |
is obvious. is a kick-ass hike. read the online blogs about climbing picacho del diablo. many climbers have posted their stories and route map.
and the jerry schad map has good guide to find the peak. |
I saw one journal, looked doable.
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chrisx
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by chrisx
I presume there is at least some water up there?? ? |
not always. ground is very porous on plateau, so streams don't flow far. there are a few perm streams and ponds - ask about them when you get there.
one good perm stream is on road, just below observatory. the canyons draining east off the plateau have streams. |
I can carry 6 or 7 litters, without a lot of trouble. Doesn't have to water every where, just some water here and there.
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chrisx
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
We were there in Sept and it did freeze, there was also streams. Look for the Aspens and you'll likely find water. We found water in many places.
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No one is saying their water bottle froze solid, so all is well?
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chrisx
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Graham
You might want to check out this thread about my latest visit last May, with photos of peak, road, snow, condors, etc.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=45482&pag...
Hate to plug my own book  but if you want to read 35 chapters about the San
Pedro Martir and camping up there for four months check out:
Nearer My Dog to thee... A summer in Baja's Sky Island. |
I read, Into A Desert Place, a dozen times.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Graham
You might want to check out this thread about my latest visit last May, with photos of peak, road, snow, condors, etc.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=45482&pag...
Hate to plug my own book but if you want to read 35 chapters about the San
Pedro Martir and camping up there for four months check out:
Nearer My Dog to thee... A summer in Baja's Sky Island. |
What's your next adventure, Graham? Working on anything?
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chrisx
| Quote: | | get jerry schaad's map of the park, it is the best map of the old roads and trails. most of the old roads are prohibited from vehicle travel, but
are passable for mt biking (some of the roads are used by ranchers, either on horse back or trucks). with a set of panniers on your mt bike, you can
explore the plateau and probably get close to the old mission via bike. |
any idea where to get jerry Schaad's map? |
If you go to my website, VivaBaja.com, and click on the link to Climbing Diablo Mountain (Baja's highest at 10,154'), you will find Jerry's maps and
other good stuff!
Here they are: http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/devil.htm
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Mission Boy Here
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by chrisx
In the mountains East of San Telmo, is an Observatory.
20 kilometers South of the observatory is an old mission?
Anybody know how to get a weather report for up there, way up there.
Somewhere around there is the highest point in Baja.
Does a road or trail go from the observatory to the mission? |
the observatory has a webcam, and online weather station readings. but you really don't need a weather report, just need to know the seasons.
spring thru early july is good time to visit. later in summer (e.g. hurricane season, and when the thermals heat up) you get daily t-storms, so peak
bagging gets dicey. fall (late sept, oct and nov) is a another good time to visit.
get jerry schaad's map of the park, it is the best map of the old roads and trails. most of the old roads are prohibited from vehicle travel, but are
passable for mt biking (some of the roads are used by ranchers, either on horse back or trucks). with a set of panniers on your mt bike, you can
explore the plateau and probably get close to the old mission via bike.
most of the mapped trails are over grown due to low use, and the plateau is broad and flattish -- it is hard place to navigate, so make sure you got
orienteering skills and are experienced at bush whacking.
i think "mission boy" (aka DK) has some tales about the SPM mission accessed via west route
[Edited on 4-8-2011 by mtgoat666] |
All Baja Missions and many visitas and other details on my web site, mission pages: http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions
In 2004, a Baja Nomad team led by Jack Swords with Mexitron, Taco de Baja, Pappy and others hiked to Baja's most remote mission, San Pedro Martir: http://vivabaja.com/missions2/page9.html
[Edited on 4-9-2011 by David K]
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chrisx
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They set out from the tableland for what they thought would be a day hike along the ridge. Two days later they returned having reached the summit, but
also having acquired a very healthy respect for the mountain. In the years that followed the mountain was climbed both from the east and from the
west, but it was not until the fifties that Bud Bernhard discovered and described the one route up from Canyon del Diablo that requires no real
technical climbing. This is known as Slot Wash and is the route that is described here.
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chrisx
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
[If you go to my website, VivaBaja.com, and click on the link to Climbing Diablo Mountain (Baja's highest at 10,154'), you will find Jerry's maps and
other good stuff!
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excuse my blindness Sir; I was unable to locate the link
' Climbing Diablo Mountain '
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chrisx
They set out from the tableland for what they thought would be a day hike along the ridge. Two days later they returned having reached the summit, but
also having acquired a very healthy respect for the mountain. In the years that followed the mountain was climbed both from the east and from the
west, but it was not until the fifties that Bud Bernhard discovered and described the one route up from Canyon del Diablo that requires no real
technical climbing. This is known as Slot Wash and is the route that is described here. |
You don't need to call me sir, as we are supposed to be amigos here. Go to my web site... go down the home page to the links to 'Specific Baja
Locations'... Here is the list in my web page:
Specific Baja Locations
Welcome to Guadalupe Canyon Hot Springs
Connie Ellig's Ensenada Happenings
Ensenada Information
Baja Dark Skies Inn, San Pedro Martir
The Official San Felipe, Baja California, Mexico
Nuevo Mazatlan, past and present
Baja's Observatory web page
Diablo Mountain Climb
Bob Jones 'Baja by Plane' (San Francisquito, Meling Ranch).
Rancho Cielito Lindo blog
Matomi mountain climb and canyon hike.
Las Pintas Fossil Grotto
Backpacking - Mission Santa Maria
La Turquesa Canyon
Coco's Corner
Bahia de los Angeles
Bahia Asuncion
Bahia Asuncion Community Page
La Bocana
San Ignacio
Scorpion Bay
Here is the Diablo Mtn. Climb link: http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/devil.htm it is what I already gave you earlier... I do try to make exploring Baja easy, and then just let Baja
itself be hard to conquer!
[Edited on 4-9-2011 by David K]
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This site has a lot of weather info:
http://cleardarksky.com/c/PdrMrtrObMBCkey.html
Note you are at 8000 feet. A storm could possibly come from the north and bring snow swirls or a couple inches. Just be prepared for freezing temps.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666most of the mapped trails are over grown due to low use, and the plateau is broad and flattish -- it is hard
place to navigate, so make sure you got orienteering skills and are experienced at bush whacking.
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If you get permission from the staff, you can drive some of these routes that are not in frequent use. Just be sure to get permission and that the
Park staff carry their keys.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by chrisx
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
by cold I mean COLD! |
Does cold mean a bottle of water gets ice in it, or does COLD mean a bottle of water freezes solid over night?
REALLY COLD means a gallon jug freezes solid over night |
freezing nights usually only in winter. not in summer. |
It can be below freezing ANY night of the year up there...beginning of June my GALLON jug froze that I had by my sleeping bag (it was 18 degrees with
snow flurries) and I'll tell you I was pretty hungover and could have used it! 25 degrees in August isn't uncommon.
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chrisx
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Thanks for the info.
Just a little more warm stuff and all will be well.
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And dont forget the electric heater.........
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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chrisx
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http://solarelectricinc.com/
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wilderone
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Give us a trip report some time Chris.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Graham
You might want to check out this thread about my latest visit last May, with photos of peak, road, snow, condors, etc.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=45482&pag...
Hate to plug my own book but if you want to read 35 chapters about the San
Pedro Martir and camping up there for four months check out:
Nearer My Dog to thee... A summer in Baja's Sky Island. |
I enjoyed reading the book!
bacquito
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