Happens every day. It's automated software that signs up new usernames - mostly, I would think, to simply get the web link posted to this site (note
that they mostly all have that "www" link). They never login - and there are giveaways in the database from how they register which makes them stand
out....
I typically clear them out one or more times a day. The only real issue it creates is that there's a limitation in the forum software on how many new
users can sign up per day, and the automated signups typically max out that # - and it makes it a challenge recently for ("real") new users to get
signed up.
Newer versions of the software have a "fix" for the situation. I'll get to it when I get to it.
FWIW... the users that are banned after a post or two are "typically" someone that's signed up, logged in, and then posted forum spam in (usually) an
older thread. Again, to get the link - but they do so with key words in the link that they want to be found for. It's a search engine marketing
strategy utilizing forum boards to spam their web site links to.
-
Doug
[Edited on 11-4-2011 by BajaNomad]
When I was young, I admired clever people. Now that I am old, I admire kind people.
– Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel
We know we must go back if we live, and we don`t know why.
– John Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
Originally posted by EmeraldDawn
They probably tied the money around Marvin's neck. He does know the way home from Nigeria doesn't he?
[Edited on 11-4-2011 by EmeraldDawn]
EmeraldDawn where have you been?? Haven't heard from you in a month of Sundays.
Oh I've been around and about - I tend to be a rather irregular forumer I guess.
Yes spammers do it for "SEO optimization"reasons - they don't need anyone to follow their links, they just need the links to be there. I have had a
lot of trouble with them on sites I've worked for.
Still puzzled by the grown-ups. Still happy in the sunshine.
Originally posted by BajaNomad
Happens every day. It's automated software that signs up new usernames - mostly, I would think, to simply get the web link posted to this site (note
that they mostly all have that "www" link). They never login - and there are giveaways in the database from how they register which makes them stand
out....
I typically clear them out one or more times a day. The only real issue it creates is that there's a limitation in the forum software on how many new
users can sign up per day, and the automated signups typically max out that # - and it makes it a challenge recently for ("real") new users to get
signed up.
Newer versions of the software have a "fix" for the situation. I'll get to it when I get to it.
FWIW... the users that are banned after a post or two are "typically" someone that's signed up, logged in, and then posted forum spam in (usually) an
older thread. Again, to get the link - but they do so with key words in the link that they want to be found for. It's a search engine marketing
strategy utilizing forum boards to spam their web site links to.
-
Doug
[Edited on 11-4-2011 by BajaNomad]
Here, Doug references software tools that create user profiles and log on to forums and create ids and sometimes post, these automated tools are not
new and are created and used because quite simply, if you create a social space using software you often need to manage that space with software. You
want to manage product sales or users opinions or political opinion to prime the system and manage the social enviornment.
While it's not surprising that these tools exist, what is surprising is that people are often unaware that a portion of "personalities" or "roles" are
made up. Yet this should be obvious.
It might be pleasantly naive to think that all the social profiles you see on line are real people who arrive with individual characteristics and
motivations. However, believing that each poster is a unique person, would be very naive. Perhaps at this point with nearly 750 million facebook
users, and admitted funding by In-Q-Tel, this past weeks sale of RightNow to Oracle, and so much experiential evidence of social gaming the system
through posts by cutout profiles that herd the crowd, it's time to be a bit more aware and conscious that online social sites, forums, and blogs are
full of generated personalities designed to fuel the system and game the public opinion.
Many profiles are not real people, but instead are made up, auto generated using software tools, in order to gauge and manage opinion to the benefit
of institutions, for example commercial businesses and government.
A simple example is this, an election campaign may benefit from social role toolkits, or if you create the idea of chaos or terror than you justify
the need for expenditure in security and policing.
An example is the shooting in Cabo at the soriana last week, it has been demonstrated to be a non-event, security shooting at each other or nothing at
all. Yet the event is used through social media, with posts by fear monger profiles and their counterparts, (on BN) to create fear and uncertainty to
fuel the need for military while in fact the scenario is made up or orchestrated and promoted socially. Note the posters style and methods here on BN,
compare and contrast those to posts by people you know in person.
Examples of Social Auditing and Role Management in Government/Military
Originally posted by gnukid
Yet the event is used through social media, with posts by fear monger profiles and their counterparts, (on BN) to create fear and uncertainty to fuel
the need for military while in fact the scenario is made up or orchestrated and promoted socially.
Could you explain how they "orchestrated" the 4-hour gun battle in Cabo the night before with the videos of the fragmentation grenades going off and
how they faked the death of that Mexican marine officer and a narco? That was some trick, eh?
Nomads, observe the pattern of speech by certain posters, it should become easier and easier to spot profiles who are being managed for social gaming.
Notice the two previous posters patterned speech, Ridge doesn't address the facts presented, instead he uses a well known strategy of imposters.
Instead of addressing the subject, which is that groups of fake accounts are being created en masse followed by those accounts being associated with
propaganda or in in this case fear-mongering, Ridge attempts to associate logical and factual discussion (accounts being created used by troll
posters) with another discredited subject (nigerian scams).
This is an obvious use of fallacy and clearly an attempt to avoid discussion of fact, this example of fallacy by association or straw man fallacy is an easily recognizable technique of fallacious logic.
The second poster, Mengano, also uses fallacious logic by associating multiple events together then demands that a poster (me) explain them or
presumably be discredited. This is also a clearly recognizable technique of fallacious logic, by conflating multiple issues, one which happened in the
day time at Soriana and the other which occurred at night and demanding that a poster should explain these or be discredited, which is an absurd and
false notion.
Make a mental note about these two posters Ridge and Mengano and similar posters. They are not naive, they understand the techniques of false logic
and use them. Ask yourself what could be their motivation?
I make no claims of understanding 100% of the facts of either event, in fact I note there is uncertainty and likely no one here is able to know what
happened for sure. Hence his demand that the poster explain it as somehow a point of his argument is fallacious conflating non-sequiter, a false
demand or statement.
My statement is that it has been declared by officials in Cabo after the fact that the soriana incident was a mistake. An overreaction, by security forces to their own calls for security.
The point of note is that this incident is orchestrated or used by others to falsely incite fear on social forums.
Anyone Nomad can look at the posts and see the patterned fallacious logic that is often repeated, it is easily recognizable in contrast to sincere
posters.
However you interpret these posts or mine is up to you to decide, simply use your best judgement.
Consider skepticism as a reasonable starting point when interacting on forums or viewing media. Use logic, rhetoric and grammar to understand message
and the intent.
Originally posted by gnukid
This is also a clearly recognizable technique of fallacious logic, by conflating multiple issues, one which happened in the day time at Soriana and
the other which occurred at night.
Originally posted by gnukid
This is also a clearly recognizable technique of fallacious logic, by conflating multiple issues, one which happened in the day time at Soriana and
the other which occurred at night.
Ah haaa...the old switcheroo...day for night.
For the readers benefit, I'll point out the continued fallacious argument by Mengano.
While being called out for a non-sequiter, Mengano again attempts fallacious logic to confuse the issues through conflating two separate events and
minimizing his role in promoting false argument as simply a confusion of day vs. night.
The reason his argument is again fallacious, is that the two shooting incidents are not only separated by day and night. The night time incident is
still classified officially as an operation to go after known criminals-where those involved where shot. While the day time incident is now publicly
admitted to be a mistake where no one was shot and no one was instigating trouble, it was a false alarm and a misunderstanding at best.
Contrary to the idea that there is chaos and criminality both incidents in Cabo are examples of pro-activeness on the part of policing which is
something to acknowledge as a positive for locals and visitors versus reactionary.
The argument presented by Mengano is that he is only guilty of confusing day and night, while in fact Mengano has demonstrated that he conflates types
of issues, events, and assertions to incite fear and that he is an example of an orchestrated action on BN to confuse readers and distract from facts.
Originally posted by gnukid
The reason his argument is again fallacious, is that the two shooting incidents are not only separated by day and night. The night time incident is
still classified officially as an operation to go after known criminals-where those involved where shot. While the day time incident is now publicly
admitted to be a mistake where no one was shot and no one was instigating trouble, it was a false alarm and a misunderstanding at best.
Let me "conflate" the who thing for you:
1. On Tuesday, October 25th the "Comandante Contra Homicidios" (Anti-Homicide Commander) in Los Cabos was kidnapped outside his residence and shot in
the head a short distance away and his weapon taken.
2. Investigating that murder, on Friday evening police and military forces showed up outside a residence in Colonia Las Brisas del Pacifico in Los
Cabos at around 11:30 and a shootout lasting hours followed. AK-47s and fragmentation grenades were the weapaons of choice. That is the video that is
posted a few posts above this one. The dead commander's weapon was recovered there.
3. Saturday afternoon, somebody reported men with weapons in the parking lot at Soriana Plaza. Police and military were called, the area was
surrounded and this folowing video "where no one was shot and no one was instigating trouble" shows what occured:
The subject of this thread is managed social roles / trolls on forums.
A common technique is to post repeatedly inane, off topic, confusing, distracting or offensive subject matter in order to turn off readers from valid
discussion about a valid subject, which in this case is orchestrated trolling using fallacious arguments by roles-what is their motivation?
OK, I registered today and I'm not from Nigeria. Mostly from Flagstaff area and the Verde Valley in AZ, but now in northern NM caring for
disintegrating parents. When they head for that next "Spacial Plane" we'll be hauling the 5er down South as fast as our ol' Blue Moose Dodge can carry
us. Actually, we're thinking about a break for Xmas, maybe as far as Mulege'. Don't have the time for the whole trip. Lived in Tempe in the 60's. Been
going to Penasco since there was one guy, Leonardo, to buy ice and shrimp from. My folks used to dance on the tables (literally) at the Playa Hermosa
and the (then brand new) Villa Granada. Anybody else remember those days? I'm dating myself.... Miss Puerto Penasco when it was remote and beautiful
and friendly..... H.
"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen.
The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back
if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Theodore Roosevelt
"You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them or to them." - Malcolm Forbes
"Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others
cry over small hurts, but not you. Let others leave their future in someone else's hands, but not you." - Jim Rohn
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