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long range boat fish's east of cape
Hola, acouple day's back..someone posted a story about a s.d. long range boat fishing the gordo bank's..which is east of cabo san lucus,well in
mexico's water's and at what most of us consider,the beginning of the sea of cortez,and no one cared,noticed,concerned......hell this week it's los
frallies,,then what ,la ventana...this is not a good thing,we still have the Japanese boat's stealing,rapeing the resorce and now the pressure of S.D.
long range vessel's..I hope that does not happen again,,my thought are worth 1 centovo !! K&T
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personally,
I dont think Sport Fishing has much impact on Fisheries
nothing compared to Long Lining and Purse Seining/ Gill netting
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another case of NIMBY 
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SD long range boats have permission to fish Mex waters. What do you think they are doing when they go long range. Some trips stop in Cabo so the
passengers can fly home from there. Those boats pay their fees and so do the passengers, unlike the Japenese boats who pay mostly bribes.
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Most don't venture too far on the SOC side, and they pay their dues.
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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The LR Boats are extremely diligent about adhering to the limits and at 5 fish per angler with a 3 day max they don't do a whole lot of damage
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The LR boats have been fishing those areas for a LONG time. On and off, but regularly. Given what Mexican, Japanese, etc., boats do in that area, I'm
not sure I see the problem.
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s.d. long range
some of the best in the biz,no question about that and great ethic's,, my point is that,,,! this the first time that "I" have heard of it...2nd,,It's
a hell of a good sign,, that ,were they normal go,, is void of fish and 3rd that area is the local's fleet at la playita,,is having a hard time with
no touristo's and not much fish,and very small compared to my many year's in B.C.S. and damn it,,, Im not a it's all glum guy,,but,,one thing,I ,can
tell,in my little brain,,is the stock,s in that area ,,today,compared to my,, last 35 year,s,,,,all DOWN !! I'm not looking to debate/argue/or b-tch,,
Im saying"what I am seeing with the fishing in B.C.S. K&T
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alan
The LR Boats are extremely diligent about adhering to the limits and at 5 fish per angler with a 3 day max they don't do a whole lot of damage
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I think it's actually 10 fish per day (but no more than 5 of a single species, excepting dorado, billfish and maybe sharks) times 3 days.
But, still, it's a pittance compared to what the Mexican commercial boats take, in violation of their own rules.
But it's so much easier to blame the US, instead of locals they know. 
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The Long Rangers are fishing legally, that's a fact.
But when a guy makes a long run out to a bank in a panga only to find a foreign charter boat already there railing on fish like mad...well, it's easy
to see why a Mexican national would be a bit frustrated.
One has to wonder what the reaction would be if Mexican long range boats were fishing in So.Cal. waters...legal or not. Just sayin....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
One has to wonder what the reaction would be if Mexican long range boats were fishing in So.Cal. waters...legal or not. Just sayin....
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That's an interesting hypothetical there. However , the difference would be that the DFG and the USCG would enforce regulations in existence as they
are mandated to do.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KaceyJ
That's an interesting hypothetical there. However , the difference would be that the DFG and the USCG would enforce regulations in existence as they
are mandated to do.
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That's true. But that would'nt stop the local American fishermen from getting plenty sick of seeing a foreign owned long ranger loading up on "their"
fish. Like I said, legal or not, Americans wouldn't like it one bit.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
| Quote: | Originally posted by KaceyJ
That's an interesting hypothetical there. However , the difference would be that the DFG and the USCG would enforce regulations in existence as they
are mandated to do.
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That's true. But that would'nt stop the local American fishermen from getting plenty sick of seeing a foreign owned long ranger loading up on "their"
fish. Like I said, legal or not, Americans wouldn't like it one bit. |
Agree , but
one call from a p'd - off american fisherman would bring in the troups whereas in Mex their enforcement is spotty at best so there's little a panga
operator can hope to do.
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Well observed. Sad but true. Again, let's not forget, the SD long rangers are fishing legally in Mexico. So there's really nothing a panguero can do
about it.
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pangas not helpless
just saying: a couple of small plastic bottle's of gas and and a SOLAS flare,only the foolish people cant protect themself's..when I was runnnig
boat's in costa rica,nicca,panama,,I keeped a small bottle of gas,,under the console,,and on a coulpe of times,,was glad to have a bit of back up !!
disclaimer:: this is not a threat,recommendtion,impiled or any other crazy thing you might perceive K&T
[Edited on 1-1-2012 by captkw]
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I think overall , given the number of sport fisherman - the ones with their own boats and equipment that are self contained - are responsible for the
largest amount of collective take. The long rangers sport boats from the US probably to an overall much less degree.
What bothers me is the amount of waste I see with many sportfisherman. Sometimes it's like catch as much as you can with the excuse of it'll begiven
away or such but in reality the catch is excessive and unnecessary.
Seeing pics of a few fisherman with hundreds of pounds of catch makes for a good photo- op but makes me cringe just knowing what will happen to most
of the fish. We try to take only what will be used in short order and forget about the bragging rights.
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KACEYJ
hola,I agree...when I take folk's out and they want fill up the freezer ,,I try,,try to get some form of conversation going in regard to
stewardship,care,love..YES I LOVE the ocean..in regard's to what we need/vs what we should catch..funny thing,,as I get older,I release a lot more
fish, than as a kid....K&T
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roberto
hola,,just ,saw your post and you very wrong on the part about long range boats,fishing that area,,not the gordo banks,no,,wrong,,sorry to correct
you,,but this a area I can see from the house with good glasses,, most day's and know the pongo (panga) boys most of my life,,the LR boats do not,have
not fished the gordo banks on reg. basis...get a NOAA chart and look where this area is...east...s/e of cobo..lets say 26 miles or so....I think the
big fact of the matter is the need for the LR boats to fish that far "inside" and out of the area where,, they usally bang um...K&T
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