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CHAPO escapes capture in Los Cabos
Mexico police nearly nabbed El Chapo
12 MARCH, 2012
BY DAVID KRUG : BORDERLAND BEAT
Much like the late Osama bin Laden, the man the U.S. calls the world's most powerful drug lord apparently has been hiding in plain sight.
Mexican federal police nearly nabbed Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman in a coastal mansion in Los Cabos three weeks ago, barely a day after U.S. Secretary of
State Hillary Clinton met with dozens of other foreign ministers in the same southern Baja peninsula resort town.
Jose Cuitlahuac Salinas, Mexico's assistant attorney general in charge of organized crime investigations, confirmed on Sunday that there was a near
miss in late February in the government's efforts to arrest the man who has become one of the world's top fugitives since he escaped prison in a
laundry truck in 2001.
"We know he was there," Salinas told The Associated Press.
The incident fuels growing speculation that authorities are closing in on Guzman, and that the government of President Felipe Calderon is determined
to grab him before his six-year term ends in December.
Calderon can't be re-elected, and his National Action Party is trailing in the polls ahead of the July 1 presidential vote. Many Mexicans say they are
weary of his government's assault on organized crime that has left more than 47,000 dead and Guzman stronger than ever. The arrest of the top capo
likely would be a political boon to the ruling party.
Two men and two women in the house where Guzman allegedly had been staying were detained and are in the custody of the attorney general's organized
crime unit, Salinas said. He did not release their names but said at least one of the men served as a pilot for Guzman. Federal police also found arms
in the house, Salinas said, but he did not offer details.
The raid was led by Mexican authorities. Salinas would not say if the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration had any involvement. The DEA referred all
comment to the Mexican government.
Since his prison escape, Guzman, 54, has transformed himself from a middling Mexican capo into what the U.S. Treasury Department calls the world's
most powerful drug trafficker.
Calderon's government says it doesn't rank the 15 cartel leaders on its most-wanted list, but Guzman's Sinaloa cartel controls trafficking in nearly
half of Mexico. Much of the rest of the country is in the hands of the Zetas cartel.
U.S. law enforcement officials say no other cartel has the international cocaine distribution networks of Sinaloa, which is also making a major push
into methamphetamines in Mexico and Central America. Guzman appears annually on the Forbes magazine list of the world's billionaires, and also has
been named by the magazine as one of the world's most powerful people.
He has a $7 million bounty on his head in Mexico and the U.S., and teams of law enforcement agents from both countries are devoted to his capture.
Guzman is often rumored to be hiding in the remote hills of his home state of Sinaloa, or in other locations, including Argentina for a time.
Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina said he has reports that Guzman has been in his country recently as well.
One U.S. diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks quoted Mexican Defense Secretary, Gen. Guillermo Galvan Galvan, as saying that Guzman moves frequently
among 10 to 15 locations to avoid arrest, and has a security detail of up to 300 men.
Salinas said he didn't know if this time Guzman was in the house with only four other people and lacked the expected entourage of bodyguards and
surveillance equipment, which reportedly normally includes helicopters. He would not give details of how the operation was carried out or what the
four may have told authorities.
"That's classified information," he said.
Rumors also surface regularly that police have shown up in various hideouts just as Guzman is escaping out the back door. Law enforcement and military
have said they were close before, including raiding a remote Sinaloa town where Guzman got married in 2007 hours after the wedding.
His narrow escapes raise the suspicion that he could be getting tipped off, including this time.
A series of bus burnings and narco road blocks in Guadalajara on Friday fueled new talk that authorities had captured Guzman. The commotion instead
was related to the arrest of a leader of a smaller cartel, the New Generation, believed to be aligned with Guzman.
"We're still searching," Salinas said. When asked if authorities are close, he just smiled.
Salinas wouldn't say when federal police received the intelligence that Guzman was in one of several exclusive subdivisions of million-dollar homes
between the Cabo San Lucas Highway and the beach. The operation ran several days starting on Feb. 21, just as the city had been filled with top
security and foreign ministers meeting in advance of the June G20 countries, which will also be held in Los Cabos.
Salinas said he did not know the exact location of the house where the operation took place. But municipal police commander Alfonso Meza said it is
located in the exclusive Punta Ballena development overlooking the Gulf of California. The home is still sealed off by the attorney general's office
and the organized crime division, he said.
The Calderon administration has long been accused of protecting Guzman as it carried out major hits on his enemies, dismantling the rival Arellano
Felix and Beltran Leyva cartels and taking out top leaders of the Gulf Cartel. But more recently, the Calderon government has come up with major hits
on Sinaloa. In the last six months, it has netted Guzman's major methamphetamine manufacturer, a major cocaine shipper and Guzman's security chief,
seizing computer files and other valuable data.
Los Cabos, at the tip of Baja peninsula, is considered one of the safest locations in Mexico, a favorite vacation spot among Hollywood stars and
thousands of U.S. tourists who still venture to Mexican beaches despite the violence that plagues much of the country.
But the peninsula also has been frequented by drug lords. Federal police arrested one of Mexico's most violent drug traffickers, Teodoro Garcia
Simental, known as "El Teo," two years ago in the home he owned in La Paz, north of Los Cabos.
The U.S. Coast Guard in 2006 arrested Francisco Javier Arellano Felix, head of the Tijuana-based Arellano Felix gang, as he was sport fishing off the
coast of Los Cabos.
Osama bin Laden, the United States' most wanted man for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, was killed by commandos last May in his compound an upscale suburb
of Islamabad, Pakistan.
Like Guzman, many had speculated he was hiding out in rugged mountains. Instead, he was found a short distance from the country's main military
academy.
Source: Borderland Beat / Associated Press
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Bajahowodd
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That Punta Ballena development is way upscale. It includes an Auberge Hotel.
These residences are priced upwards of $4 million.
Seems to me that the big guys appreciate the good life and the last thing they want is to have cartel style violence anywhere near them.
So, in an absurd way, having the Cartel Capos living in the area actually makes the place safer for tourists.
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Wish he would have been caught!
Udo
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I'm with Howood. It's hopeful there is a zone of "Peaceful Existence" here in BCS?!! El Teo was here awhile and then lifted from his residence
without a shot fired. Chapo is a very big figure; I would be in Costa Rica or Argentina. They did miss, verdad? When I drive the Carretera and see
these Escaladaes I just say Vayanse! Tio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Melondeverdad
Mexican federal police nearly nabbed Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman in a coastal mansion in Los Cabos three weeks ago,
The incident fuels growing speculation that authorities are closing in on Guzman, and that the government of President Felipe Calderon is determined
to grab him before his six-year term ends in December.
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more like growing speculation that they will never capture him!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Melondeverdad
He has a $7 million bounty on his head in Mexico and the U.S., and teams of law enforcement agents from both countries are devoted to his capture.
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with that large of a bounty, they should have got him by now!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Melondeverdad
Guzman moves frequently among 10 to 15 locations to avoid arrest, and has a security detail of up to 300 men.
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the coppers will never get him!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Melondeverdad
Rumors also surface regularly that police have shown up in various hideouts just as Guzman is escaping out the back door. |
keystone cops always delayed when they stop to pick up a dozen donuts!
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?????????
Oh, "they" will get him........and if "they" do, we may never hear about it.
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If his bounty is $7Million, all it took was $8Million to get away. El Tio used to carry $5Million with him in duffel bags around Rosarito anytime his
entourage left the house above Popotla (smuggling hub). The USA is providing the intel, but it seems there is an $8Million security hole on the
execution end on the ground.
Weren't some of us hesitant to believe he could be anywhere near Baja, let alone in a luxury enclave? Then again, Mexicans are very private people and
the wealthy live behind protected walls, not expansive yards. So it's hard to know who your neighbors are. (We have met most people on Halloween
when everyone is outside with their kids).
Wouldn't you think an enclave would be easy to secure? Do any of you military nomads know what satellite intel hardware is available outside of war
zones? Wonder why US ground intel wasn't tracking him.
[Edited on 3-13-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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It took US troops on the ground in Colombia to get Pablo Escobar........"working with" the Colombian military.
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Capturing El Chapo would be detrimental to the overall security situation in Mexico, in my opinion. It would just add more instability to an already
shaky situation. Most Mexicans would prefer the military to focus on the Zetas. They are the most vicious of all of the cartels and they actually
target innocent civilians. Weird but El Chapo is revered by many Mexicans.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
It took US troops on the ground in Colombia to get Pablo Escobar........"working with" the Colombian military. |
And so now, there's no drug trafficking in Colombia? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
It took US troops on the ground in Colombia to get Pablo Escobar........"working with" the Colombian military. |
And so now, there's no drug trafficking in Colombia?
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Absolutely not----with the capture of Escobar, that was the end of the drug trade in Columbia! And BTW, are you interested in purchasing a bridge
that is from somewhere in New York that I have for sale? 
There is always someone to fill the vacuum and take over and I don't believe that will ever change as long as there is a demand for the illegal drugs.
But then again, I am a believer in legalizing, or decriminalizing what are called illegal drugs.
[Edited on 3-14-2012 by DianaT]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
It took US troops on the ground in Colombia to get Pablo Escobar........"working with" the Colombian military. |
And so now, there's no drug trafficking in Colombia?
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Absolutely not----with the capture of Escobar, that was the end of the drug trade in Columbia! And BTW, are you interesting in purchasing a bridge
that is from somewhere in New York that I have for sale?
There is always someone to fill the vacuum and take over and I don't believe that will ever change as long as there is a demand for the illegal drugs.
But then again, I am a believer in legalizing, or decriminalizing what are called illegal drugs. |
As a pea in your pod, DianaT, I really wonder if given the huge infrastructure and revenue stream that exists, if de-criminalization or legalization
will occur in my lifetime.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
It took US troops on the ground in Colombia to get Pablo Escobar........"working with" the Colombian military. |
And so now, there's no drug trafficking in Colombia?
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Absolutely not----with the capture of Escobar, that was the end of the drug trade in Columbia! And BTW, are you interesting in purchasing a bridge
that is from somewhere in New York that I have for sale?
There is always someone to fill the vacuum and take over and I don't believe that will ever change as long as there is a demand for the illegal drugs.
But then again, I am a believer in legalizing, or decriminalizing what are called illegal drugs. |
As a pea in your pod, DianaT, I really wonder if given the huge infrastructure and revenue stream that exists, if de-criminalization or legalization
will occur in my lifetime. |
Me thinks too many people in high places in too many countries have too much to lose.
Big opps --- edited to change loose to lose
[Edited on 3-14-2012 by DianaT]
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Read it again
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
It took US troops on the ground in Colombia to get Pablo Escobar........"working with" the Colombian military. |
And so now, there's no drug trafficking in Colombia?
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I nvever said there was no drug trafficking in Colombia........what I said was.........It took US troops on the ground in Colombia to get Pablo
Escobar........"working with" the Colombian military.
Quit twisting things, How Odd
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It probably would be better to let Chapo vacation. Once they got the Arellano Brothers in TJ the new drug wars began for control. How many years?
Once a Cartel establishes control then a calm "so to speak" ensues. Wall Street?! Once the Americans get over their candy fetish we can move on?
Maybe never. Remember the sixties saying, " Meth Kills". And the beat goes on. Tio
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