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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
No I didn't know they were building a Shriners in TJ. When I was a pre-teen, I had this friend who invited me a few times to go to the "Rainbow
Girls". Her dad was a Mason, but the degree that you mention, I have no idea of rankings, etc. Believe me, I tried to ask questions, but it was all
"secret". I still do not see why a Mexican hospital in Cabo would have a Mason as its president, and do they get funding from Shriners in the US?
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The Shriners children,s hospital in TJ has been there for years. They are currently adding a new 2 story wing. If you are in the Ready Lane backup at
Otay border crossing you go right past it.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
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Total Cost $61 Dollars Operation and 1 week.
It turned out that the Director of the General Hospital was a 32 nd Degree Mason as I found out later all General Hospitals have a 32 nd Degree Mason
as its Director.
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the Director of the Military Hospital is a General in the MX Army and had his Orthopedic traing in the US.
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Skeet/Loreto
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The 23 Shriners Hospitals take any and all Children.
Transportation Cost from Mexico was getting expensive so the Shriners so they decided to increase the hospital in TJ.
As well at the Burn Hospital in Galvaston transportation cost are high to get the Kids out of Mesico
Dr. It is not a Screat Society!
In Baja sur, and la Paz there is a 32 Degree Temple across the way from the Mission Plaz, there have been 7 new Lodges formed North and around
Constitution in the past 10 years.
If you look at the History of Constitution you will find that the mexican Govt. moved complete Lodges from the Mainland to settle Constitution when
Water was developed
I have been a Mason for 51 Years and Shriner for 45 It is the best thing to happen in my life next. to my Wife..
Any of you men can go to any Masonic Lodge and ask all the questions you like and find out about, It.
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Which military hospital? I did my internship in the Military Hospital in Ensenada and no one seems to speak English there, plus they encourage all
Americans to seek treatment in other hospitals. | Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dr.
Total Cost $61 Dollars Operation and 1 week.
It turned out that the Director of the General Hospital was a 32 nd Degree Mason as I found out later all General Hospitals have a 32 nd Degree Mason
as its Director.
Skeet/Loreto |
the Director of the Military Hospital is a General in the MX Army and had his Orthopedic traing in the US. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Good advice 
The SPOT will link you to local SAR support (military in Mexico) if you need the 911 function....some of the other "fly-outs" kick into gear once you
are already in the hospital and they return you to your home area/country.
The SARS responders will have a medic.
There are a few emergency satellite transponders on the market...do some research.
Ride safely, "if in doubt....don't...", carry enough water, and be prepared to walk out if the bike dies....
And stay out of the silt beds.... 
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So SPOT will dispatch Mexico military SAR? How fast do they respond? They respond to all "911s" from SPOT transmitter? Or is it the deal where
someone with connections needs to first call and get the wheels turning.
I am a fan of SPOT for notifying designated contacts, but have my doubts about the service activating government SAR promptly, domestically or
internationally, without some or many intermediate steps.
Really curious to hear how it works in Mexico...
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durrelllrobert
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Should have qualified that
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Which military hospital? I did my internship in the Military Hospital in Ensenada and no one seems to speak English there, plus they encourage all
Americans to seek treatment in other hospitals. | Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
the Director of the Military Hospital is a General in the MX Army and had his Orthopedic traing in the US. |
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THAT was 7 years ago when they treated my broken arm. Forgot the Director/ Orthopedic surgens name but that is what he told me in Englsh.
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Several years ago I had some "Bad Experiences with Med=Vac. Waited one day over 10 hours on the Tarmac at Loreto Airport. Did an investigation and
found that several of the Air\Vacs were bidding on the trip causing the Delays.
I would hope they have inproved/
I would suggest that anyone who is going to spend any time in Baja to get to know the local Doctors and clinic.
In addition to saving my wife's life they did a good job on me when I had a heat Stroke at San Nicholas my friends took me to the Clinic at Loreto
where I stayed a week consuming 10 bottles of "Juice" finally got a Shot of Potassium and save me. No Cost involved!!! I was over 65 at the time.
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Yes well things have changed and they don't admit American patients. | Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Which military hospital? I did my internship in the Military Hospital in Ensenada and no one seems to speak English there, plus they encourage all
Americans to seek treatment in other hospitals. | Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
the Director of the Military Hospital is a General in the MX Army and had his Orthopedic traing in the US. |
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THAT was 7 years ago when they treated my broken arm. Forgot the Director/ Orthopedic surgens name but that is what he told me in Englsh.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Seguro Popular kept me 9 days in La Paz with a badly broken arm. Turned out the one and only surgeon kept bumping me back day by day. Reset bones and
drilled and pinned them. Total cost eqvt. 900 dollars after an uproar was made that 7 of the nine days was the hospital's issue (the wait). They made
sure every centavo was paid before I was released. Learned a lot. Absolutely ZERO analgesics administered or offered NOT EVEN TYLENOL. ANY and ALL
oral medications have to be purchased by the patient OUTSIDE the hospital. The drugstore across the street charged absolute maximum permitted price
even on the generics. The hospital did when asked, re-adjust the cost of the treatment to fit the income of the patient. The original cost of my stay
was eqvt 3,630 dollars.
Returned to the USA and after 7 hours and three bone assembly trials a ten inch titanium plate was fitted after the surgeon re-breaking the bone. Two
hundred eighty-thousand dollars total including rehab. I now have regained around 70% use of the hand and arm after 17 months. The estimate the Seguro
Popular got from Mexico City for the same operation was 40 - 60 thousand dollars (650,000 pesos) and I WOULD NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES have access
to pain relievers stronger than Tramadol, everything else of course, extra cost on top of the above estimate.
WTF is it with the Mexican medical community and opioids ADMINISTERED DIRECTLY BY A DOCTOR? Why the ban? As an EMT 2, I can state with a fair degree
of confidence that severe pain often leads to shock which of course frequently leads to the patient dying. This is BOGUS MEDICINE.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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EnsenadaDr
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David, I know a Doctor here in Ensenada who can prescribe opioids and other controlled medications. He said there is no problem just that you need to
be monitored by a Government agency, and most Mexican doctors don't want the hassle of the bookkeeping etc.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Finding these doctors is a hassle and I don't mean merely an inconvenience. The docs wanted seventy pesos per DOSE administered just for oversight. I
do hope things have changed since then. 5 administrations daily of 10 mg of Oxycodone then would have cost me EIGHTY six dollars a day. It would have
been more cost effective to go out onto the street and find a source of Black Tar Heroin.
Is there a COFEPRIS link or other MX website where I could perhaps review the mechanism needed to obtain legally prescribed opioids? It's no fun being
bedridden some days and screaming curses as I crawl from the bed to the bathroom. I do possess a loaded CD disk with MRI images of the herniated disc
taken at Scripps. Of course then again the cost of the meds might be beyond me.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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EnsenadaDr
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It's all a matter of philosophy, David. Many Mexican doctors don't believe in giving opioids for pain, or benzodiazapines for anxiety. Dr. Raymundo
Esquer, in Ensenada, will do just that. There is no mechanism. You apply at the office of Salubridad in the Secretaria of Salud for an additional
controlled receipt prescription pad once you have your medical license, or your cedula professional.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
So SPOT will dispatch Mexico military SAR? How fast do they respond? They respond to all "911s" from SPOT transmitter? Or is it the deal where
someone with connections needs to first call and get the wheels turning.
I am a fan of SPOT for notifying designated contacts, but have my doubts about the service activating government SAR promptly, domestically or
internationally, without some or many intermediate steps.
Really curious to hear how it works in Mexico... |
Goat,
My comment is a recollection from a conversation with the SPOT center a few years ago.
When we used it this summer up here in BC when a rider was in serious condition in the middle of BFNW, it took 4 hours for the co-ords to get to the
medvac chopper....we still don't know which of 5 different SPOT users 911's went through 
So....users need to know how to use the device and know that satellite contact is poor in "shadows" (i.e. valleys, tree coverage, etc) and that it can
take up to 20 minutes upon initialization for sats to hook up.
It seems that the SPOT sends a signal to the SPOT headquarters which then relays the call to local organizations such as police, military, etc.
Give SPOT hq a call....see what they say these days.
Don't believe everything you think....
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I believe the SPOT hq is at the University of Arizona Hydrology department...Goat can make the necessary adjustments as needed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Did you read my thread on Seguro Popular? Where are you thinking of settling? My honest opinion is to live near the border, but travel and visit all
those faraway places..
[Edited on 1-28-2013 by EnsenadaDr] |
Yes, I agree!
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I truly think there is somewhere between the most modern medical attention available to mankind and "when your time has come" available in Baja.
First get Seguro Popular. Second, find a doctor that would be capable of coordinating emergency care, in case you got extremely ill or needed
immediate medical attention. If you have a heart problem, in Ensenada for instance, do a dry run as to what you might need to do. For instance, if
your Doctor was Dr. Sussarrey of Cardiomed, you could call him on his cell phone 24 hours a day, and he would have staff waiting for you at Cardiomed.
This situation would be better than Seguro Popular because he has clot busters, and emergency angioplasty available in case of a heart attack. If
you are in other areas, find the nearest facility and make sure you have a physician you can contact and know what is available. Seguro Popular is
great if you don't have anything else, but the nearest hospital for Seguro Popular is Hospital General Ensenada, and they don't do angioplasties
there. You need to get proactive and make these plans ahead of time. It is always good to have a private physician as well outside the Seguro
Popular plan, and someone who is knowledgeable enough to direct emergency or intensive care situations.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
So SPOT will dispatch Mexico military SAR? How fast do they respond? They respond to all "911s" from SPOT transmitter? Or is it the deal where
someone with connections needs to first call and get the wheels turning.
I am a fan of SPOT for notifying designated contacts, but have my doubts about the service activating government SAR promptly, domestically or
internationally, without some or many intermediate steps.
Really curious to hear how it works in Mexico... |
SPOT HQ is a 24/7/365 operation.
In the US, when you punch the 911 button, SPOT notifies the closest to you emergency response agency, usually the county sheriff. They also coordinate
between the sheriff and the state office of emergency services (for in-state assetts) and the First US Air Force, who handles all SAR requests for
military assistance to include the Coast Guard and the CAP (Civil Air Patrol). 1stAF then can dispatch military assets to assist local resources. SPOT
stands down when they are notified that the 911 event is resolved. From SPOT 911 activation to the contact of responders is usually minutes.
I know.....been there, done that, have the T-shirt.
The SPOT 24/7/365 Comm center is staffed by personnel that have a former military/law enforcement/emergency services background.
In a foreign country such as Mexico, SPOT contacts the agency charged with SAR (the military). Once SPOT contacts the SAR agency, SPOT monitors the
progress of the event and can assist with other assetts, such as dispatching an air evacuation ambulance to the closest avilable/useable airport to
the inital treating medical facility. Don't claim to know how other countries handle their SAR requests.
SPOT SAR is handled by GEOS:
http://www.geosalliance.com/whatisgeos.html
http://www.geosalliance.com/sar/
SPOT is my go-to emergency response in both the US and when I travel out-of-country
[Edited on 1-30-2013 by bajaguy]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
So SPOT will dispatch Mexico military SAR? How fast do they respond? They respond to all "911s" from SPOT transmitter? Or is it the deal where
someone with connections needs to first call and get the wheels turning.
I am a fan of SPOT for notifying designated contacts, but have my doubts about the service activating government SAR promptly, domestically or
internationally, without some or many intermediate steps.
Really curious to hear how it works in Mexico... |
Goat,
My comment is a recollection from a conversation with the SPOT center a few years ago.
When we used it this summer up here in BC when a rider was in serious condition in the middle of BFNW, it took 4 hours for the co-ords to get to the
medvac chopper....we still don't know which of 5 different SPOT users 911's went through
So....users need to know how to use the device and know that satellite contact is poor in "shadows" (i.e. valleys, tree coverage, etc) and that it can
take up to 20 minutes upon initialization for sats to hook up.
It seems that the SPOT sends a signal to the SPOT headquarters which then relays the call to local organizations such as police, military, etc.
Give SPOT hq a call....see what they say these days. |
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=544857
This is a link to a rescue initiated by a Spot 911 call which was responded to by the Mexican military. I carry a Spot when riding Mexico primarily
to keep family and friends informed of my whereabouts. I have never used the 911 nor do I take extra chances due to carrying one. Nonetheless it is
worth the cost if a severe circumstance merited its use. I have also never used the "need help" message which only goes to pre-selected email
recipients but when riding around Mulege, for example, I have a local friend on that list with the understanding that it would not be used unless
really merited. At that point he gets an email stating "need help at this location, not life threatening". A couple of friends and I do the same
thing in our local area to notify each other in case of a breakdown, this has worked well for us and of course no public agencey is involved. The
email recipients of the "need help" message can be changed at the Spot website at any time so with the approval of the recipients I can change it as I
travel.
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I might feel like I could chime in here, I went to a clinic in Mulege because I am recovering from my third major shoulder surgery with hardware and
total joint infection. It has been feeling great until I re-injured it surfing. I went to the clinic looking for some help and pain relief after three
nights of not sleeping. I waited for an hour and the nurse came out with a piece of paper that I was supposed to take to the Farmacia. The doctor
didn't even see me as the nurse could see how fresh the scar was on my shoulder and a stage three separation of the clavicle. The farmacia gave me
Tylex cd 30mg tablets. It cost about $70 for maybe 5 days of relief. worth every peso, but I still have another month here and am in Loreto now and
not sure if I should try to find another doctor here or just take the old bottle of tylex in for a refill. So far the medical help is interesting to
say the least.
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